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Star Wars Episode VIII: The Last Jedi (December 2017)


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  On 12/18/2017 at 5:31 PM, bob said:
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I've just got back from seeing this. I'll need a second viewing to allow me to appreciate the film a bit more and to fully digest it all. My first impressions are that I am quite underwhelmed and that I felt it was a bit disappointing in many places. There were certain things that I liked, but ultimately a lot of energy was "wasted" in certain areas.

 

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The more I think about it, the more disappointed I feel. Definitely need a second viewing, but I'm in no rush to see it again. 

Just wondering whether this current conveyor belt of Star Wars films is hindering the series somewhat. This could have been better with a bit of tidying up and better editing. A bit more time in the oven and a few cuts to certain scenes here and there. Maybe. 

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  On 12/19/2017 at 12:05 AM, Fierce_LiNk said:

Just wondering whether this current conveyor belt of Star Wars films is hindering the series somewhat. This could have been better with a bit of tidying up and better editing. A bit more time in the oven and a few cuts to certain scenes here and there. Maybe. 

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The film was locked in months ago, earlier than any other Star Wars film, so I think the director and Lucasfilm would have to disagree that it needed more time.

If there’s any problem with the film to do with the editing process, it’s probably going to be how the pace was effected by what was left on the cutting room floor: 50 minutes were cut from this film, and - considering how the film lacks three traditional acts and just seems to flow instead - from the little we know about what was cut (from the Art of The Last Jedi and set leaks) the film might have once been very different to how it turned out. It seems that Rian filmed a few more threads than we got in the film (for obvious reasons), but, more importantly, it seems that he might have filmed entire alternative sequences which could have been interchangeable with what we got in the film.

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  On 12/19/2017 at 12:05 AM, Fierce_LiNk said:

 

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The more I think about it, the more disappointed I feel. Definitely need a second viewing, but I'm in no rush to see it again. 

 

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Exactly how I feel. And yeah that Leia bit was the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen in a Star Wars film, including Jar Jar.

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I was the same, I will say even more time gone and I start thinking about the positives and getting very excited to see it again; I still don't think it will be amazing; but I think I'll appreciate it a lot more.

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This borrowed more from Return of The Jedi than Empire Strikes Back than I thought it would.

However though, not a bad film.

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  On 12/19/2017 at 12:05 AM, Fierce_LiNk said:

I've just got back from seeing this. I'll need a second viewing to allow me to appreciate the film a bit more and to fully digest it all. My first impressions are that I am quite underwhelmed and that I felt it was a bit disappointing in many places. There were certain things that I liked, but ultimately a lot of energy was "wasted" in certain areas.

 

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The more I think about it, the more disappointed I feel. Definitely need a second viewing, but I'm in no rush to see it again. 

Just wondering whether this current conveyor belt of Star Wars films is hindering the series somewhat. This could have been better with a bit of tidying up and better editing. A bit more time in the oven and a few cuts to certain scenes here and there. Maybe. 

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I agree with all of that really, a lot of set up plot lines we really wasted and supremely underwhelming I liked a lot of the film but felt underwhelmed overall

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A lot of the humour was out of place, like after deaths or powerful moments, star wars has humour but it felt too much, forced and like padding

I need a second viewing, it's a good film with some serious flaws and certainly not the modern empire far too many paid off critics claim

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Taken from IMDb

After reading the script for the film, Marl Hamill told director whatever, "I pretty much fundamentally disagree with every choice you've made for this character [Luke Skywalker]. Now, having said that, I have gotten it off my chest, and my job now is to take what you've created and do my best to realize your vision."

 

Couldn't agree more.

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I think Facebook Messenger sponsored this film. And it wasn't needed.

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  On 12/21/2017 at 6:28 PM, EEVILMURRAY said:

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After reading the script for the film, Marl Hamill told director whatever, "I pretty much fundamentally disagree with every choice you've made for this character [Luke Skywalker]. Now, having said that, I have gotten it off my chest, and my job now is to take what you've created and do my best to realize your vision."

 

Couldn't agree more.

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You should also use this quote to put what Mark Hamill said into context.

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You quelled my fears, listened to my endless stream of terrible ideas & occasionally used a few here & there. 

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He was talking about an early draft, things were changed and he came around to Rian's ideas.

 

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  On 12/21/2017 at 6:38 PM, Cube said:

You should also use this quote to put what Mark Hamill said into context.

He was talking about an early draft, things were changed and he came around to Rian's ideas

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IMBd isn't that comprehensive when it comes to that (I think) 

 

Either way. His gut instinct was right. Rian fucked up.

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  On 12/21/2017 at 8:50 PM, EEVILMURRAY said:

Either way. His gut instinct was right. Rian fucked up.

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Let’s see...

• the film has hadone of the best opening weeks of all time at the box office. 

• it is critically acclaimed. 

• more and more fans will likely come back around to it - and enjoy it - in the coming weeks, months and years. 

If we want to say that Rian f*d up, don’t we need to determine what, exactly, constitutes a f*k up when it comes to films in the first place? Who, exactly, decides whether it has, or hasn’t, “f*d up”? 

Forgive me - and I have a fair number of problems with the film, despite loving it - but I’m struggling to understand why fans are acting like their gut instincts from their initial viewing of the film are right above all else. To each their own, and I respect the subjectivity of film and other such media, but remember how TFA was widely adored, both critically and by the audience, only to see that initial adoration wane in the following weeks, months and years?

As a Star Wars fan, I knew going into the film that it might take a few viewings to fully appreciate the positives and negatives about the film, and apply that to every new Star Wars film that I watch. I know that I’m not just going to watch the film a few times in the cinema, and that my appreciation of the film might change, for better or worse, well beyond its theatrical run. For example, I enjoyed the prequels growing up, went through a phase of not enjoying them, before coming around to enjoying them again, understanding the directorial and musical context of the films. Sure, the execution still isn’t the best thing in the world and it has a ton of problems, but the films are never going to be changed, so why not just appreciate the best moments that they have to offer? Likewise, I watched ANH and ROTJ prior to TESB, and enjoyed all three of those films, but they fell by the wayside when I was younger thanks to the rapid pace and theatricality of the prequels. Of course, now, understanding them in a greater context, I can greatly appreciate them, flaws and all, as arguably the great film trilogy of all time; yes, even the special editions.

I really enjoyed TFA. I really, really enjoyed TLJ. Do they have problems? Sure. But does that change what I enjoy about them? Absolutely not! I’ve learned to just try to take these films in as they come, and whilst I might lean one way or the other on them, I rarely ever have an informed opinion on them - in the context of how my opinions about the other films were formed - until months or years down the line.

Its difficult to understand where you and many others are coming from without context: how has Star Wars changed your life, if it has at all? What were your expectations and mindset going into this film? Did you enjoy The Force Awakens and it’s characters? Why/why not? What are the worst - and best - parts of The Last Jedi, to you, and why?

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Disney do it again. They make yet another (live-action) film that's entertaining to watch but falls apart utterly when put under any scrutiny. 

I did not like The Force Awakens, and during the first few minutes where Poe puts Darth Wesley 'on hold', I though I was going to suffer for the next two hours. That bit was so achingly bad.

I was pleasantly surprised by the good, not surprised at the amount of crap, but overall it felt like a smaller more human Star Wars – and while it failed a lot with the human aspect, I respect it for trying.

Laura Dern was the standout character. What she did, was maybe my favourite singular Star Wars moment ever visually. It was like someone sucked all the air out of the room. It really should have been Leia who did that.

Finn is an awful character. His side story was awful. Captain Phasma...is – and always has been – dire. Ray has no character development and Daisy Ridley is not great...but I'm not sure how much I put down to her, because how her character is written is just not compelling and I like to give actor the benefit of the doubt; give them shit to work with, they'll spit shit out right back in your face. Get rid of Finn and Rose, and...like Poe doesn't even meet Ray until the end and it's the second film. There are just too many disjointed bits.

I love Luke. I love mark Hamill. I don't agree with how he was handled but I can accept it.

I did not mind Leia's space angel moment. And I can't tell you why, because it was fucking absurd.

Adam Driver was great, but I felt wasted a tad.

And Snoke... I hope to see more of him but at the same time, plz foreshadow. Just a tad. His death seemed so final.

I'm actually excited to see where it goes. For all it's wrongs, it wasn't as asinine as The Force Awakens.

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I saw it Monday and enjoyed it.  It had its faults, but Star Wars always has been a campy space romp so I'm not sure why it seems to suddenly be an issue.  Sure, some parts were stupid but it was exactly what I expected from the film.  Plus Porgs and BB-8.

I'm glad they tried things a bit differently though, although I still balk at the "you need to let go of the past" from a franchise that is now on an annual cycle.  But still, at least they seem to be expanding it out from the Skywalker-centre.

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  On 12/21/2017 at 9:18 PM, Julius Caesar said:

Let’s see...

• the film has hadone of the best opening weeks of all time at the box office. 

• it is critically acclaimed. 

• more and more fans will likely come back around to it - and enjoy it - in the coming weeks, months and years. 

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Yeah, it's comes as a total shock to the globe that a mainstream Star Wars film would be successful. :blank:

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The joke I laughed at the loudest was the moment where they show a space ship is landing with lots of steam.

I'm all like 'Hmmmm, that looks a lot like an iron. They're really basing ships on an iron now...heh'

Then the camera zooms out and shows that it is actually clothes being ironed.

This was a good scene. I enjoyed this.

Oh, and if we do not get at least a light saber duel akin to the masterfully executed Duel of Fates I will be disappointed in this trilogy.

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points Most of the i mentioned above i can get over after a second viewing,

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Its just bad writing for some characters

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I've just come back from seeing this a second time. Carrying on our Christmas tradition of watching a film on Christmas Day in Belgium. Usually, I like to just enjoy the film after seeing it once and then I'll watch it again later to form a better opinion of it. We saw this about a week or so ago and I came out of the cinema with very mixed feelings, with a sprinkling of feeling underwhelmed and a bit disappointed. After coming out of the cinema a second time, I...feel decidedly similar to how I did the first time around. 

First of all...Finn:

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Overall, I don't feel that it's here nor there. Some good parts, some bad points, a few moments that are underdeveloped and a few parts that could potentially lead on to good things, but perhaps won't do if this film is anything to go by. I've seen it twice and I am in no definite hurry to see it again. There's a large part of me that wonders if they've gone in with the mentality of "setting the pieces for the final, big part of the trilogy, the big showdown"...but I really don't feel that it's developed enough to be that type of film. To me, this is almost part 2 of 4, not 2 of 3. It's just not compelling enough, or there are not enough compelling characters for it to be considered the second act of three. At least, in my opinion. 

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I quite enjoyed this and holding the new trilogy away from the rest and on their own, I think it's a decent series so far. What I find hard to understand is why these films exist in the first place, and quite how they are relevant as 7, 8 and 9 of an ongoing series.

To me, you could make these episodes 107, 108 and 109. Or equally, they could be a trilogy set many years before Episode 1, were it not for the inclusion of some characters we already know. Really though, if Han, Luke and Leah were completely different people it wouldn't have any impact on the story whatsoever and that makes this trilogy weaker and less enjoyable for me. I was expecting VIII would tie them all together a bit more, and while IX could still do that, I think it's too late to make enough of an impact while still allowing them to finish off the series in a neat way.

  On 12/25/2017 at 10:49 PM, Fierce_LiNk said:

To me, this is almost part 2 of 4, not 2 of 3. It's just not compelling enough, or there are not enough compelling characters for it to be considered the second act of three. At least, in my opinion. 

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I think this is getting to the crux of the issue, for me this needed to feel like 8 of 9, and we're just a few hours from the end of something epic and I can see the full story arc, where it's all been leading to, and can't wait to get there. Instead, it's starting to feel like a TV show that should have ended a few seasons ago, but they just can't stop themselves.

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Saw this last night, stayed spoiler free so i went in not knowing much about it.

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Overall, Last Jedi suffered from middle film issues.  Felt like it could have been better if they paced it better in places.  And i don't see why they had the need to make a new Trilogy, the one-off movie Rogue One was better as it was a 1 movie story.

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Wasn't overly impressed with this. Like The Force Awakens, it seems to be be a myriad of recycled plot ideas from the original trilogy with no substance. The whole space scene with Leia was frankly absurd and really had no time for Luke's arc at all.

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