S.C.G Posted May 29, 2013 Posted May 29, 2013 I certainly wouldn't pay more than £250 for it, quite honestly even then, the Wii U offers greater value for money - for me - but then I really don't think I'll end up wanting a XBone... I'm more interested in the PS4 which I would more 'gladly' pay up to £349.99 for (with a game) providing it has enough games that I actually want on it AND assuming that they aren't going to go for the shitty always online, DRM on disc, no backwards compatibility AT ALL, + 'let's majorly fist EA because they are soooo great! route that MS have taken.
Kaepora_Gaebora Posted May 29, 2013 Posted May 29, 2013 I certainly wouldn't pay more than £250 for it, quite honestly even then, the Wii U offers greater value for money - for me - but then I really don't think I'll end up wanting a XBone... I'm more interested in the PS4 which I would more 'gladly' pay up to £349.99 for (with a game) providing it has enough games that I actually want on it AND assuming that they aren't going to go for the shitty always online, DRM on disc, no backwards compatibility AT ALL, + 'let's majorly fist EA because they are soooo great! route that MS have taken. Jesus, there's an image. Not even a playful finger to tease them with to start them off...
Agent Gibbs Posted May 29, 2013 Posted May 29, 2013 i still wouldn't put it past them to charge some nominal fee with a minimum sign up contract for xbox live, say £79.99 plus a £10 a month Xbox Live Platinum sign up fee for 24 months if not this is microsoft, who have already showed off their arrogance and how out of touch they are with their audience, so i'd expect them to the highest priced next gen console, not ps3 high but still if the ps4 is £350, this will be £400+
S.C.G Posted May 29, 2013 Posted May 29, 2013 Jesus, there's an image. Not even a playful finger to tease them with to start them off... Microsoft have already been doing that for years, its all been building up to the recent 'horror show' which was the XBone unveiling, even the abbreviation of the consoles name is disturbingly apt. E3 is going to be a car crash for Microsoft, not even one that EA will try and rescue them from.
Jimbob Posted May 29, 2013 Posted May 29, 2013 Microsoft have already been doing that for years, its all been building up to the recent 'horror show' which was the XBone unveiling, even the abbreviation of the consoles name is disturbingly apt. E3 is going to be a car crash for Microsoft, not even one that EA will try and rescue them from. I agree that Microsoft's "One" will be the most expensive out of both. I can forsee the PS4 being £299.99 and the One nearing the £400 mark, which is wayyyyy too much for my liking. And rumours flying around is that Sony are looking into cloud streaming PS3 titles to the PS4, something Moneygrabbingsoft don't seem to want to do as of yet. E3 will either make or break the "One", more break than make it to be honest.
Kaepora_Gaebora Posted May 29, 2013 Posted May 29, 2013 First thing I want to hear at e3 is clarity from Microsoft. I mean the conference was all about 'entertainment' or whatever, which wasn't great for gamers but there you go, that's what they wanted. But the absolute information clusterfuck that occured after was terrible, so we need cold hard facts about this system and it's policy on the pre owned games, backwards gamers, sorry, backwards compatibility and a price point, which I agree I can't see being below £400 personally, certainly not a premium model. I have no great affinity with Sony apart from admiring them from afar, so I too hope that they don't go fingering, fisting or whatever else tickles their fancy with EA. Although I think they may be priced at £400 or so too, if not higher.
Happenstance Posted May 29, 2013 Posted May 29, 2013 You realise this isnt just EA right? If the games journalists are to be believed then this is all the larger developers/publishers calling for something to be done about the used games market. It sucks for us but unfortunately I just think thats the way its going to be from now on. Nintendo may get applauded for a while for now bowing to the pressure but I think its a pretty strong bet that they will suffer for it. I expect the only difference between Sony and MS at this point is that Sony were smart enough to let MS mention it first and take all the heat.
Retro_Link Posted May 29, 2013 Posted May 29, 2013 Rumour that Mirrors Edge 2 could be coming to XBone... http://uk.ign.com/articles/2013/05/29/mirrors-edge-2-listed-for-xbox-one-by-retailer Which of course falls in line with the exclusives and EA support.
S.C.G Posted May 29, 2013 Posted May 29, 2013 Good news if true, another game I have zero interest in, making it even easier to forget about even thinking about considering maybe buying the console, even though it's still unlikely. :p
Cube Posted May 29, 2013 Author Posted May 29, 2013 Good news if true, another game I have zero interest in, making it even easier to forget about even thinking about considering maybe buying the console, even though it's still unlikely. :p If done right, a sequel could be amazing. However, if it's part of some kind of exclusive agreement, I can see them focusing a lot more on the shooter side. The fanbase likely isn't big enough and it's unlikely to sway people to buy a different console. It seems like a very unlikely candidate for an exclusive agreement - unless, perhaps, it was the "biggest" game they would consider making an exclusive. On top of that, it's a strange candidate for getting made in the first place. DICE are incredibly busy with Battlefield, with a new division helping them out with Star Wars. It seems like something EA would let them do after Battlefield 4, while a smaller team works on the DLC.
flameboy Posted May 29, 2013 Posted May 29, 2013 Jesus if it's £600 I don't wanna even think how much it will be here. $800? $850? (actually looked it up £940) No way can that be right. I mean our prices aren't like US completely. When you do the conversion back it's comparable.
dwarf Posted May 29, 2013 Posted May 29, 2013 (edited) Why anyone is entertaining the idea of a £600 price tag is beyond me. I'm convinced it won't even approach £400. Edited May 29, 2013 by dwarf
Shorty Posted May 29, 2013 Posted May 29, 2013 Why anyone is entertaining the idea of a £600 price tag is beyond me. I'm convinced it won't even approach £400. I've heard it will be £940 (I'm just fanning the crazy flames)
Charlie Posted May 30, 2013 Posted May 30, 2013 i still wouldn't put it past them to charge some nominal fee with a minimum sign up contract for xbox live, say £79.99 plus a £10 a month Xbox Live Platinum sign up fee for 24 months if not this is microsoft, who have already showed off their arrogance and how out of touch they are with their audience, so i'd expect them to the highest priced next gen console, not ps3 high but still if the ps4 is £350, this will be £400+ I think your first option is fantastic. I'd much rather pay a tenner a month than have to shell out a vast amount of cash right at the start. BTW, you have to remember that we on here are the minority in that we know about the industry. The vast population don't care about DRM, used games etc etc. MS are in no way out of touch. People say similar things about Apple products, how they're too expensive/whatever. They still sell a shit load.
bob Posted May 30, 2013 Posted May 30, 2013 I do think it's odd how economics works. People will complain about spending £400+ on a console simply because £200 is sort of the norm, despite the fact that you are getting a computer with components that would cost you maybe £300+ (i'm pulling these numbers from my bum). Yet most will happily spend £500+ on an iPad or tablet (unless it's 7 inches, in which case £200 is suddenly the norm), £800+ on a laptop, £500+ on a phone etc.
Agent Gibbs Posted May 30, 2013 Posted May 30, 2013 I think your first option is fantastic. I'd much rather pay a tenner a month than have to shell out a vast amount of cash right at the start. BTW, you have to remember that we on here are the minority in that we know about the industry. The vast population don't care about DRM, used games etc etc. MS are in no way out of touch. People say similar things about Apple products, how they're too expensive/whatever. They still sell a shit load. I don't mind the subscription service idea too much, but only if MS try and match PS+ with the free games and make it slightly better value. You're right though, we are in the minority on that front, but i do think MS are out of touch with their original core market (us). Unfortunately they and many other companies are going the Apple business model and relying on consumer ignorance and blind loyalty, so i suppose they aren't out of touch with that audience......that said i don't like the situation one bit, its a form of exploitation, i went off Apple when i realised how i'd been blindly following the brand assuming it was always cutting edge and top quality, when in fact it was not. but thats hardly MS fault that consumers can be so easily manipulated, that's just down to a general level of ignorance and ambivalence to the world around them (consumers) I do think it's odd how economics works. People will complain about spending £400+ on a console simply because £200 is sort of the norm, despite the fact that you are getting a computer with components that would cost you maybe £300+ (i'm pulling these numbers from my bum). Yet most will happily spend £500+ on an iPad or tablet (unless it's 7 inches, in which case £200 is suddenly the norm), £800+ on a laptop, £500+ on a phone etc. I suppose i've answered/commented on some of this above, but it comes down to brand blindness and ignorance to alternatives, and sometimes i feel that a lot of consumers are okay with this ignorance as it saves them the effort of having to actually research into something they want. I know a complete apple fanboy, who has continually bought every new apple product on launch day, the latest iphone, the latest ipad, the latest Mac, even to the point where he is now being premium approved apple partner products that are just useless! for example he bought a wireless baby monitor/video link to monitor his recently born son....from work while he was out and the mum was in....the catch was it didn't work in the security office of the casino he was in due to god knows what, yet he still bought a new version in hopes that would work....and it didn't He's even shown interest in that New Beatle that VW are making that has integrated iphone/apple things so the phone can dock in the dash.... yet he concedes that (and i quote) "the galaxy s4 is an amazing bit of kit, but its samsung not apple, so it won't be any good as it won't have the same level of innovation and quality"
Cube Posted May 30, 2013 Author Posted May 30, 2013 "the galaxy s4 is an amazing bit of kit, but its samsung not apple, so it won't be any good as it won't have the same level of innovation and quality" You should inform him that many of the components in the iPhone are made by Samsung. Samsung even has a factory in Texas which mainly makes components for Apple (which are then shipped to China to be put in iPhones).
Jonnas Posted May 30, 2013 Posted May 30, 2013 BTW, you have to remember that we on here are the minority in that we know about the industry. The vast population don't care about DRM, used games etc etc. I actually think a huge chunk of the market cares about used games. They're the cheapest option, after all.
Charlie Posted May 30, 2013 Posted May 30, 2013 I actually think a huge chunk of the market cares about used games. They're the cheapest option, after all. Yeah you're right there, they do. Yet Microsoft haven't announced how they're going to handle this yet so if people would stop speculating and making things up that would be great.
Jonnas Posted May 30, 2013 Posted May 30, 2013 Yeah you're right there, they do. Yet Microsoft haven't announced how they're going to handle this yet so if people would stop speculating and making things up that would be great. What was confirmed was that one has to pay to play used/borrowed games for the first time, right? Even if the situation ends being well-handled, I can't see anything but backlash and negative publicity when people realize that this is what happens.
Agent Gibbs Posted May 30, 2013 Posted May 30, 2013 You should inform him that many of the components in the iPhone are made by Samsung. Samsung even has a factory in Texas which mainly makes components for Apple (which are then shipped to China to be put in iPhones). oh don't get me started on that conversation...he acknowledges they make parts but hopes that apple stop using inferior manufacturers to procure parts to make iphones, they should do it all in house........ i've never found a facepalm picture fitting enough for that
Daft Posted May 30, 2013 Posted May 30, 2013 What was confirmed was that one has to pay to play used/borrowed games for the first time, right? Even if the situation ends being well-handled, I can't see anything but backlash and negative publicity when people realize that this is what happens. No, retailers pay the second hand fee. Essentially they pay for the right to resell it. Although I don't doubt this added cost will be passed onto the consumer. Which means no lending to friends (unless they do something smart like allowing access to anyone on your friends list) and probably fucks over independent game retailers.
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