Xbox One Console Discussion

[Agent Gibbs]

I think your first option is fantastic. I'd much rather pay a tenner a month than have to shell out a vast amount of cash right at the start.

 

BTW, you have to remember that we on here are the minority in that we know about the industry. The vast population don't care about DRM, used games etc etc. MS are in no way out of touch. People say similar things about Apple products, how they're too expensive/whatever. They still sell a shit load.

 

I don't mind the subscription service idea too much, but only if MS try and match PS+ with the free games and make it slightly better value.

 

You're right though, we are in the minority on that front, but i do think MS are out of touch with their original core market (us).

 

Unfortunately they and many other companies are going the Apple business model and relying on consumer ignorance and blind loyalty, so i suppose they aren't out of touch with that audience......that said i don't like the situation one bit, its a form of exploitation, i went off Apple when i realised how i'd been blindly following the brand assuming it was always cutting edge and top quality, when in fact it was not.

 

but thats hardly MS fault that consumers can be so easily manipulated, that's just down to a general level of ignorance and ambivalence to the world around them (consumers)

 

I do think it's odd how economics works. People will complain about spending £400+ on a console simply because £200 is sort of the norm, despite the fact that you are getting a computer with components that would cost you maybe £300+ (i'm pulling these numbers from my bum).

 

Yet most will happily spend £500+ on an iPad or tablet (unless it's 7 inches, in which case £200 is suddenly the norm), £800+ on a laptop, £500+ on a phone etc.

 

I suppose i've answered/commented on some of this above, but it comes down to brand blindness and ignorance to alternatives, and sometimes i feel that a lot of consumers are okay with this ignorance as it saves them the effort of having to actually research into something they want.

 

I know a complete apple fanboy, who has continually bought every new apple product on launch day, the latest iphone, the latest ipad, the latest Mac, even to the point where he is now being premium approved apple partner products that are just useless! for example he bought a wireless baby monitor/video link to monitor his recently born son....from work while he was out and the mum was in....the catch was it didn't work in the security office of the casino he was in due to god knows what, yet he still bought a new version in hopes that would work....and it didn't

 

He's even shown interest in that New Beatle that VW are making that has integrated iphone/apple things so the phone can dock in the dash....

yet he concedes that (and i quote) "the galaxy s4 is an amazing bit of kit, but its samsung not apple, so it won't be any good as it won't have the same level of innovation and quality"

[Cube]

"the galaxy s4 is an amazing bit of kit, but its samsung not apple, so it won't be any good as it won't have the same level of innovation and quality"

 

You should inform him that many of the components in the iPhone are made by Samsung. Samsung even has a factory in Texas which mainly makes components for Apple (which are then shipped to China to be put in iPhones).

[Jonnas]

BTW, you have to remember that we on here are the minority in that we know about the industry. The vast population don't care about DRM, used games etc etc.

 

I actually think a huge chunk of the market cares about used games. They're the cheapest option, after all.

[Charlie]

I actually think a huge chunk of the market cares about used games. They're the cheapest option, after all.

 

Yeah you're right there, they do. Yet Microsoft haven't announced how they're going to handle this yet so if people would stop speculating and making things up that would be great.

[Jonnas]

Yeah you're right there, they do. Yet Microsoft haven't announced how they're going to handle this yet so if people would stop speculating and making things up that would be great.

 

What was confirmed was that one has to pay to play used/borrowed games for the first time, right?

 

Even if the situation ends being well-handled, I can't see anything but backlash and negative publicity when people realize that this is what happens.

[Agent Gibbs]

You should inform him that many of the components in the iPhone are made by Samsung. Samsung even has a factory in Texas which mainly makes components for Apple (which are then shipped to China to be put in iPhones).

 

oh don't get me started on that conversation...he acknowledges they make parts but hopes that apple stop using inferior manufacturers to procure parts to make iphones, they should do it all in house........

 

 

 

i've never found a facepalm picture fitting enough for that

[Daft]

What was confirmed was that one has to pay to play used/borrowed games for the first time, right?

 

Even if the situation ends being well-handled, I can't see anything but backlash and negative publicity when people realize that this is what happens.

 

No, retailers pay the second hand fee. Essentially they pay for the right to resell it. Although I don't doubt this added cost will be passed onto the consumer.

 

Which means no lending to friends (unless they do something smart like allowing access to anyone on your friends list) and probably fucks over independent game retailers.

[Charlie]

What was confirmed was that one has to pay to play used/borrowed games for the first time, right?

 

Yes, and that is no different from the current system. You go into a shop, pay money and take home your game.

[Daft]

With the current system you can borrow and lend games to a friend.

[Sheikah]

And importantly, Microsoft can effectively influence the price of used games. They decide the fee to be passed on.

[Jonnas]

I wasn't aware that big retailers would cover that fee. I suppose that mitigates the problem to some extent, but for someone like me who happens to get most of my used games from ebay, and I'd prefer reselling them there, too. Not sure how it is in the UK, but stores tend to offer ridiculously low prices for used games around here (I remember Game Stage offering 8€ for Baten Kaitos. I could probably get)

 

In the end, I'm just saddened at the prospect that this ridiculous measure might just go unnoticed by the masses, after all.

[Retro_Link]

[The Peeps]

Whether I get a PS4 or an XBone there is no way in hell I'm going to pay £600 =\

 

I'm confident of it not actually costing that much but it's such a ridiculous price that I'm surprised that's what Amazon went with as a place-holder.

Edited May 31, 2013 by The Peeps

[Happenstance]

Whether I get a PS4 or an XBone there is no way in hell I'm going to pay £600 =\

 

I'm confident of it not actually costing that much but it's such a ridiculous price that I'm surprised that's what Amazon went with as a place-holder.

 

That's kind of the point though. Amazon put the price that high so if anyone preorders now and when the price is actually announced then they wouldn't have to honour the lower price the originally offered it at.

[Clownferret]

Yes, and that is no different from the current system. You go into a shop, pay money and take home your game.

 

There is no registration fee currently. If Microsoft charge the retail price for a used game it will end the used game market in one fell swoop. Nobody is going to buy a second hand game if they then have to pay the new cost to register the game, and if they game shops swallow this cost then that will come out of the trade in price, so trade in values will be next to nothing.

[dazzybee]

There is no way in hell the new license will be RRP, doesn't make any sense. No one would do it. But even £10 would be a lot of money in my opinion. You buy a physical disc you should be able to do what the fuck you want with it.

 

The system will work and maybe invisible (other than the high prices) in game stores, but what about personal sales and loans etc? MS better have a great system in place for all this because it sounds like nothing other than a disaster at the minute.

[Nolan]

Absolutely disgraceful reveal. And I'm 100% opposed this system. The used game bullshit doesn't bother me, sounds no different than steam. People are up in arms because ermagerd consoles shouldn't have DRM because they never did before. Well, I agree but I can't fault them for having CD keys essentially. HOWEVER online required, fuck that shit, even steam doesn't go that far.

 

I'm opposed to it mainly because they've lost their focus this generation, quite similar to Sony, that's forgiveable at a later date though when the mistake is realized....what isn't forgivable for me is that fucking Kinect is required and is ALWAYS watching and listening. That right there makes me say I will never ever ever own a Xbox One.

[Happenstance]

Steam does actually go that far, its just while the Xbox One has to do an online check every 24 hours apparently Steam has to every 30 days or something.

[Retro_Link]

lol Marcus on Invisible Walls just said what if Mirror's Edge 2 is a Kinect game! :p ... I guess like the fitness courses in Wii Sports Plus where you jump to avoid obstacles and 'jog' to run! lol

 

I can see it

[Happenstance]

So why do people have it in their heads that Mirror's Edge 2 could be an Xbox One game only? Honest question, I just havent seen anything that made me think that.

[nightwolf]

Steam does actually go that far, its just while the Xbox One has to do an online check every 24 hours apparently Steam has to every 30 days or something.

 

30 days I can certainly understand. 30 days allows the user to have their account offline for a certain amount of time, especially if the power goes out or they have particularly shitty internet and don't want to use it as examples.

 

24 hours is just not long enough, they might as well have just had the system always online. It would have led to less confusion.

[Happenstance]

Im looking forward to hearing some clarification on the 24 hours comment from MS at E3 because I have been wondering if it is 24 hours at all or thats just how often it will perform the online check if you leave your Xbox One on all the time (which they are probably expecting you will now, like a Sky box or something) so could that mean that if you do turn it off it could require that check each time its turned on.

[Retro_Link]

So why do people have it in their heads that Mirror's Edge 2 could be an Xbox One game only? Honest question, I just havent seen anything that made me think that.

Only because the couple of amazon listings that have been taken down were Xbox One listings.

 

And maybe because you could assume EA and Microsoft are cozying up a little.

[Happenstance]

Only because the couple of amazon listings that have been taken down were Xbox One listings.

 

And maybe because you could assume EA and Microsoft are cozying up a little.

 

I just dont think that EA and MS are cozying as much as people think, especially on this forum where there are a lot of bitter Nintendo fans. I think its going to be mostly early DLC and stuff like that we will see like we did with COD this gen.

[Retro_Link]

Yeah probably.

Hopefully it is multiplatform, a sequel has potential... or it could go the other way and be more of a shooter and ruin it's potential... but either way I'd like to see.