Happenstance Posted June 14, 2017 Posted June 14, 2017 Choze you really are deep into the cult.... There is no excuse for it, it's not about excuses, or other fans being extreme, it's a shit thing to do and I put money on Sony changing their stance very soon. Why isn't it a good thing if fans from all machines can play each other, proper democracy. What Sony are doing is pure arrogance and walling themselves in - I hope it backfires massively. It would be amazing if all Multiplatform games did this in my opinion, then friends and such aren't forced to buy the same machines. I dont really see it as arrogance, just a business decision. They'd much rather your friend buy a PS4 and the game you are playing than be able to play it on their Xbox.
dazzybee Posted June 14, 2017 Posted June 14, 2017 I dont really see it as arrogance, just a business decision. They'd much rather your friend buy a PS4 and the game you are playing than be able to play it on their Xbox. The arrogance comes from the fact they think they can get away with it; same arrogance Microsoft used to have before Apple took over them; Nintendo have had that arrogance many times too- the we don't need them mentality.
Sheikah Posted June 14, 2017 Posted June 14, 2017 Choze you really are deep into the cult.... There is no excuse for it, it's not about excuses, or other fans being extreme, it's a shit thing to do and I put money on Sony changing their stance very soon. Why isn't it a good thing if fans from all machines can play each other, proper democracy. What Sony are doing is pure arrogance and walling themselves in - I hope it backfires massively. It would be amazing if all Multiplatform games did this in my opinion, then friends and such aren't forced to buy the same machines. I'd put money the other way. No chance of them doing it any time soon on any big scale. I don't think Sony see any advantage in doing it right now as they're currently winning the generation by a large margin. They've also gone with exclusive content on a bunch of big titles for the sole purpose of getting people locked onto their ecosystem.
dazzybee Posted June 14, 2017 Posted June 14, 2017 Democracy? Do you even know what a democracy is and what it involves? Also who is the one walling themselves in here? Do you know anything about what MS have been up to the past 2 years in regards to cross platform play? I am sure there is a possibility Sony would do it. I am positive the issues are mostly on MS's side given their record with practically everyone. Actions speak louder than words and MS seem to be good at double speak but do something else. I have no idea what ms have done no and don't particularly care, but looking at this objectively, now, Sony are the ones doing the wrong thing, trying to wall their users in and keep all the power. Anti-democracy - which gives power to the people. So yes. I do know what it means. You saying that makes me think maybe you don't...
Nolan Posted June 14, 2017 Posted June 14, 2017 Why are we throwing around political terms like democracy in a console discussion? Totalitarian is the only way to describe any business. They do what they want when they want and get away with as much as they can. Sony made a shitty excuse but their stance is hardly a bearing democracy. You use any console and sign up for any online service and you are tenuously bound by their EULA. The same EULA that often for most games says that they can terminate the servers at any point leaving you up shit creek. Don't like it too bad, it is not a democracy. That is everyone in the industry. Tldr they're all "anti-democracy".
DriftKaiser Posted June 14, 2017 Posted June 14, 2017 Look like you have to use Xbox Live ID on Switch in order to play with Window 10 and Xbox One players on Minecraft. I won't be thrilled if I was asked to make a Xbox Live ID account so I can play with other players from different console.
Kaepora_Gaebora Posted June 14, 2017 Posted June 14, 2017 Look like you have to use Xbox Live ID on Switch in order to play with Window 10 and Xbox One players on Minecraft. I won't be thrilled if I was asked to make a Xbox Live ID account so I can play with other players from different console. Mojang said you could do that, not that you had to, from what I read
Kav Posted June 15, 2017 Posted June 15, 2017 Sony's utter bullshit excuse for no cross-platform play is called out brilliantly here... [tweet]875283922543923200[/tweet]
Hero-of-Time Posted June 15, 2017 Posted June 15, 2017 (edited) Sony's utter bullshit excuse for no cross-platform play is called out brilliantly here... [tweet]875283922543923200[/tweet] I seen this morning. The PR battle this E3 has been hilarious. Surprisingly Reggie seems to have avoid saying anything dumb this year. Jim Ryan on the other hand.... You should read the Gamecentral interview with Phil Spencer. They get him against the ropes when they talk about games not running at 60fps. I love their interviews. They seem to be one of the few outlets who aren't afraid to ask the hard questions and grill the guys when they try to dodge stuff. Edited June 15, 2017 by Hero-of-Time
Daft Posted June 15, 2017 Posted June 15, 2017 If Xbox sales weren't in the tank, they wouldn't be pushing through cross-play so hard which makes all this Microsoft 'sincerity' reek.
Hero-of-Time Posted June 16, 2017 Posted June 16, 2017 If Xbox sales weren't in the tank, they wouldn't be pushing through cross-play so hard which makes all this Microsoft 'sincerity' reek. Totally, but then this is just how the PR game is played. Microsoft have taken advantage of the position Sony is in, just as Sony took advantage of Microsoft's cock ups during the Xbox One reveal. The Rocket League developers had this to say about the cross play situation. “I understand that stance. We want to take care of our players. But from our perspective, if PlayStation already allows cross-network with PC, which is the least regulated of any of the partners, then in theory, having Xbox and Switch in there should be fine. They’re a lot more regulated. From our perspective that concern is already handled. That’s taken care of. Our dream is that true cross-network play — we want it on all the platforms. It’s very important to us, for multiple reasons. One, you can have faster matchmaking. The bigger the pool, the faster the matchmaking. It benefits everybody. Two, you get better quality opponents. In a bigger pool you have better people who are closer to your location.” When discussing the game with Nintendo."The first question that I asked was, cross-network play is very important to us, will you support cross-network play?" Nintendo's response? "We'll support cross-network play, no problem." (I should emphasize that those were Jeremy's words, not Nintendo's). Just for the record, i'm not bothered in the slightest about all of this cross play stuff. It doesn't really effect me, but I do find the whole situation very interesting to sit back and watch.
drahkon Posted June 18, 2017 Posted June 18, 2017 Just read that Superhot non-VR is also coming to PS4. : peace:
drahkon Posted June 21, 2017 Posted June 21, 2017 Release date: August 15th Release date: August 29th Two more games I need... 1
Ronnie Posted June 21, 2017 Posted June 21, 2017 Funny considering he is completely clueless about everything. His comment on indies was another facepalm moment, probably even worse than his cross play comments. It does sound like Sony from 2006 again.
Ronnie Posted June 24, 2017 Posted June 24, 2017 5 minutes ago, Ashley said: That's a parody account. Not sure if you're referring to my post or Choze's but I was talking about Jim Ryan. Funny parody tweet though.
Ashley Posted June 24, 2017 Posted June 24, 2017 Ah okay fair enough. I know that account has caught some of us out before as it is quite good. (And was referring to both)
Josh64 Posted June 26, 2017 Posted June 26, 2017 That's great news about Cities Skylines, I've seen lots of great videos and gif's of peoples creations on Reddit and stuff. It seems like the kinda game I could get lost in for hours. As for me, I saw Ape Escape 2 and Everybody's Tennis were on offer (£3ish each) so decided to give them both a whirl as both are series I've always meant to get into but never got around to it. Haven't played Ape Escape yet but had a couple of hours on Tennis and it was great, I'll have to check out if there's any modern versions with online and all that stuff. Still desperately waiting on Night Trap, does anyone know the situation on its release? And is there anything else similar right now from a live action perspective, I've had a look around but not come across anything and I'm still fairly new to the PS4 so not sure what developers to look out for.
Shorty Posted June 27, 2017 Posted June 27, 2017 I seriously miss the days when every game on XBLA had a free demo. I think there's plenty of digital games I would pick up if I could just try them first to be sure. 4
S.C.G Posted June 27, 2017 Posted June 27, 2017 3 minutes ago, Shorty said: I seriously miss the days when every game on XBLA had a free demo. I think there's plenty of digital games I would pick up if I could just try them first to be sure. Ah those were the days, plus when you downloaded the demo, you were effectively downloading the full game, then if you decided that you wanted to buy, it was just a case of buying the unlock and continuing to play as normal with no interruptions. It was a really good component of the service from what I remember, the only thing I won't miss is the download times on the games at the time, not so much of an issue then but back in the early days, a few hundred MB took what seemed like forever, now we live in an age where just an update can eat as much space as a GB or more. But yes, demo's should be a key component of any modern digital storefront for all games, as standard and I don't understand why it isn't unless it has just become more of a complicated process somehow. 2
Nolan Posted June 27, 2017 Posted June 27, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, S.C.G said: But yes, demo's should be a key component of any modern digital storefront for all games, as standard and I don't understand why it isn't unless it has just become more of a complicated process somehow. They aren't standard because publishers/ shareholders erroneously believe that demos are lost sales. They don't even take quality into the equation, they just see that games with demos don't sell, must be because the person got the full experience they wanted from that half hour. There use to be a more comprehensive article I believe but I can't find it but this quote kind of makes the point. Quote Francis explained that his experiment in making a game was so profitable that he'll stick to his guns and always release free demos for his games. "I didn't let anyone pay for Gunpoint until I was ready to put a free demo out, so everyone would have a way to make sure it ran okay on their system and that they liked it before giving me any money," he explained, despite his industry friends advising against this. "I have no idea if and how much the pre-release demo hurt Gunpoint's sales, but it doesn't matter now - that's how I want to treat people, and the amazing support for Gunpoint means I can afford to." From here, just a small blurb People told him don't release a demo you'll lose sales. He's an outlier but he's demo gained him sales. Edited June 27, 2017 by Nolan 1
S.C.G Posted June 27, 2017 Posted June 27, 2017 Yeah, so there's always the other side to it where a demo can help the case of a game, especially if it's an unproven potential new franchise. But I can understand some of the larger companies not bothering, to be fair unless a demo comes out significantly before a games general release - say a month or two - I tend not to bother if it's a game I know I'll be buying, though it could still be useful for others who are unsure. The main demo's I tend to download are for games such as Monster Hunter where they provide a set amount of different pre-made characters with classes to try out in addition to having a few monsters to hunt, just to get a feel for the game. I feel like the latest Monster Hunter World could do well from having a similar demo, while things such as yearly update titles - shooters, sports etc - I can understand why it wouldn't be worth the effort, aside from the obligatory multiplayer beta things. For smaller arcade games though, there definitely is a case to be made for them, especially as you have a lot of Kickstarter games these days, the devs tend to periodically give out demo's so you can see how the game is progressing, again a different situatution but there is a place for demo's. If there was suddenly a demo from E3 such as Sonic Mania suddenly made available to play, right now, I would be on it like a shot.
Shorty Posted June 28, 2017 Posted June 28, 2017 Wish Inside or The Witness would go on offer, I skipped picking both of them up when they last were which was a mistake. 1
Shorty Posted June 30, 2017 Posted June 30, 2017 20 hours ago, Ashley said: Inside is in the steam sale at the moment isn't it? Idk, this is the PS4 thread though
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