Retro_Link Posted March 30, 2016 Author Posted March 30, 2016 (edited) People have complained about it in this thread. Read it. Then I think most of us came to the realisation that it's best to actually see what it is rather than waste our time unnecessarily ranting. If it's in effect a PS4VR system, complete with all the necessary built in output and power to give you the best VR experience then that's great. If Nintendo had announced a Wii HD two and a half years after the original's release, I doubt people would be as forgiving. There was a HUGE request for a Wii HD, and (to a lesser extent) some sort of Gamepad-less Wii U a couple of years into both their lifecycles. Edited March 30, 2016 by Retro_Link
drahkon Posted March 30, 2016 Posted March 30, 2016 People have complained about it in this thread. I, for one, have. Then I think most of us came to the realisation that it's best to actually see what it is rather than waste our time unnecessarily ranting. Yup, I came to that realisation. I had this idea of a more powerful PS4.5 with exclusive/better running games in my head and ranted. However, I decided it's better to wait and see before bitching. I'm still worried, though. :p
Ronnie Posted March 30, 2016 Posted March 30, 2016 You're talking about completely different situations and you're basing your opinions, and the opinions others should apparently have, on unconfirmed rumours. Check back in after E3. So we're not able to discuss rumours on here? Uncomfirmed reports didn't stop the internet (and this message board) exploding after the NX controller 'leaked'. Unlike that far-fetched story, it seems pretty much certain that Playstation will be releasing a PS4 that outputs 4K games sometime soon. Obviously we'll wait and see what the official story is, but I don't think it's such a crime to discuss the possibility now.
Eddage Posted March 30, 2016 Posted March 30, 2016 So we're not able to discuss rumours on here? Uncomfirmed reports didn't stop the internet (and this message board) exploding after the NX controller 'leaked'. Unlike that far-fetched story, it seems pretty much certain that Playstation will be releasing a PS4 that outputs 4K games sometime soon. Obviously we'll wait and see what the official story is, but I don't think it's such a crime to discuss the possibility now. Most games struggle to run at 1080p so there is no way that any "proper" games will be released at a 4K resolution. The upgraded PS4 will probably output 4K but that will be for 4K Blu Rays, the first of which should start being released around the summer (I think). If this is anything other than a normal PS4 with 4K blu ray and the Playstation VR stuff built in then I will be amazed, and if that is what it ends up being then I see it as a great upgrade option for those that are interested. I cannot see a situation where the userbase is split. If it ends up allowing for greater graphical capabilities then we'll just have a PC like situation where all games will run on the original PS4 but look better on the PS4K / PS4.5 / whatever it's being called, similar to what some people are expecting to occur with the NX console and handheld. Also, the internet "blew up" with the NX controller leaks because we've known that the NX has been in development for a while but other than the fact it exists we know pretty much fuck all about it!
Ashley Posted March 30, 2016 Posted March 30, 2016 So we're not able to discuss rumours on here? Uncomfirmed reports didn't stop the internet (and this message board) exploding after the NX controller 'leaked'. Unlike that far-fetched story, it seems pretty much certain that Playstation will be releasing a PS4 that outputs 4K games sometime soon. Obviously we'll wait and see what the official story is, but I don't think it's such a crime to discuss the possibility now. Not what I was saying at all. If you had looked a few posts up from your original you could see it was discussed, variations mulled and ultimately people just decided to wait, which is why I said you may as well check in after E3 (or until we hear something definite, but at this stage I'm assuming that's E3). The NX controller was completely different because it's a brand new console, there was something concrete (albeit false) as opposed to "something is going to happen" and fans are desperate to hear more about the NX so it's bound to pick up steam more than this non-story (at the moment). Plus as far-fetched as the controller may have been, it ignited conversations about what fans want and expect from the NX. Really, the only things we can say from what we know so far about the PS4K is pretty much Eddage's point: The upgraded PS4 will probably output 4K but that will be for 4K Blu Rays There is a very slim chance it may also be an update to allow for better specced games, but seems improbable based on, amongst other things, analysis done by Digital Foundry. That just leaves something completely left-field and that doesn't really yield much conversation. So yes, you can discuss rumours if you want but you came in saying you're surprised more people aren't outraged when people had already expressed their opinions so I'm not sure what you were after. If it's just to discuss what may happen, well that has been achieved. If it's to get angry at Sony for something that hasn't happened, it seems like that's not going to come to pass.
Goron_3 Posted March 30, 2016 Posted March 30, 2016 This isn't a redesign, it's (supposedly) an upgraded PS4. I suppose you're right @Blade, if there's exclusive games that'll only run on the PS4k then the backlash will be warranted. It'll probably still push a big chunk of people to upgrade even if it only had 4K output. If Nintendo had announced a Wii HD two and a half years after the original's release, I doubt people would be as forgiving. It's the same situation as the new 3DS - all future 3DS games work on the original console and it would be for the same a future PS4. A beefed up console is 100% necessary for VR but I imagine that they'll also offer a slim varient as production costs will be much less than they were 24 months ago. I should also point out that console upgrades will likely become a common thing going forward due to the ease of scaling a game and how fast technology moves. iPads, phones and other tech get replaced every year or two but still run future apps, albeit occasionally with less performance. This model is much better than the current console model which sees old technology on the market for 4-5 years. Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo are all moving this way and we'll almost certainly see it with NX, too.
Hero-of-Time Posted March 30, 2016 Posted March 30, 2016 PS4K is looking like a sure thing at this point. A guy on Gaf has been sitting on this info and was just waiting for Bish and company to verify his sources and give him the all clear to post the info. Related info from a meeting we had yesterday was waiting for it to be approved before posting. Price is currently $399.99 they were discussing a better CPU which would raise the price to $499.99 we were guaranteed the price will be no higher than $499.99 (He mentioned the CPU upgrade quite a bit almost as if they haven't really decided on a final spec could be a pricing issue.) also there is currently no plan for any type of trade in program for current PS4 users but that could change. They stated that the GPU is twice as powerful as standard PS4 and much faster. They did not say exactly how fast but that is was running at a higher clock speed while being much smaller than the original. It will have a 4k blu ray player and will upscale games that are not natively 4k. Also there was talk of some sort of VR lounge for the media player app which is supposed to be getting a substantial upgrade. It was stated plainly and with no room for interpretation that there are developers that already have development kits for the PS4K and that they are making games that will directly target and take advantage of the higher specs of the PS4K. It was also stated that these games will in fact work for the PS4 but with considerable sacrifices made to performance. It was also made very clear that current games would not be getting any type of performance upgrades by being played on the system and any benefits to older games would come via patch per game and per developer. When asked if this was going to happen the response was "Its a possibility but doubtful with the exception of a handful of games." We were also given a list of games that will be available at launch that will directly take advantage of the PS4K where the differences are and I will quote him "Significant." For the PSVR Eve Valkyrie Robinson GT Sport For the PS4K Deep Down (Thought this was dead) GOW4 (This was the exact abbreviation on the sheet I can only assume its god of war 4) There were more games on the list but these are the ones that stood out to me.
drahkon Posted March 30, 2016 Posted March 30, 2016 It was also stated that these games will in fact work for the PS4 but with considerable sacrifices made to performance. And this is what I was worried about. If this turns out to be true I'll be very annoyed.
Shorty Posted March 30, 2016 Posted March 30, 2016 But they're not going to look worse than current PS4 games...?
Happenstance Posted March 30, 2016 Posted March 30, 2016 To me it just seems like a situation where someone has a medium spec PC and someone has a high spec PC. The games will run on both, they'll just run better on the high spec. Doesn't really bother me to be honest.
Sheikah Posted March 30, 2016 Posted March 30, 2016 To me it just seems like a situation where someone has a medium spec PC and someone has a high spec PC. The games will run on both, they'll just run better on the high spec. Doesn't really bother me to be honest. Console games have enough bugs running to one set of specs. I very much doubt developers will want to waste time and resources making and testing their games to two sets of specifications.
Happenstance Posted March 30, 2016 Posted March 30, 2016 Console games have enough bugs running to one set of specs. I very much doubt developers will want to waste time and resources making and testing their games to two sets of specifications. They do on PC and you don't see them complaining.
drahkon Posted March 30, 2016 Posted March 30, 2016 If games run "significantly" better on the upgraded console then I'd feel like I miss out on a better experience. Smoothly running games vs non-constant-30fps is a big deal. Especially when developers might put more effort into the PS4K versionm.
Fierce_LiNk Posted March 30, 2016 Posted March 30, 2016 I'm going to wait to get some firm information so that I know what we're dealing with. As long as this doesn't fuck up my current situation, I'll be happy. I won't be pleased if games suddenly start becoming New-PS4 only, but I can't see that happening. I do wonder what this does mean for the future of gaming hardware, so I'm curious to get more information.
Dcubed Posted March 30, 2016 Posted March 30, 2016 (edited) WTF are Sony doing!? They're winning by a landslide, so why are they pulling a 32X here!? Who asked for this!? But they're not going to look worse than current PS4 games...? They will if they stop optimising the games for the lower specced model first and foremost... Edited March 30, 2016 by Dcubed
Ashley Posted March 30, 2016 Posted March 30, 2016 They will if they stop optimising the games for the lower specced model first and foremost... Sony might have an agreement in place that equal priority is given. Kind of like how Nintendo have a mandate that 3DS games should not need to use the 3D to play the game.
Dcubed Posted March 30, 2016 Posted March 30, 2016 Sony might have an agreement in place that equal priority is given. Kind of like how Nintendo have a mandate that 3DS games should not need to use the 3D to play the game. From the sounds of things, they look like they really want to put the PS4k's "significant" enhanced visuals front and centre... I get the feeling that they're not gonna be giving equal priority here... (They're obviously desperate for content to sell their 4K TVs with and Sony have proven that they're not afraid to sacrifice their console market share to push other Sony segments; just look at the PS3...)
Ashley Posted March 30, 2016 Posted March 30, 2016 Don't forget "the sound of things" is unsubstantiated rumours. It's like last week with Nintendo. And what do you mean about the PS3? If it's the Blu-ray at the start, they learnt from that mistake quite clearly both during its life and the PS4.
Goron_3 Posted March 30, 2016 Posted March 30, 2016 WTF are Sony doing!? They're winning by a landslide, so why are they pulling a 32X here!? Who asked for this!? They will if they stop optimising the games for the lower specced model first and foremost... Coming from someone who liked the new 3Ds...?
killthenet Posted March 30, 2016 Posted March 30, 2016 It sounds like a crazy upgrade! If this is all accurate, then I'm happy to wait until next year before I take the plunge and get a PS4. As someone on GAF pointed out, I can't see developers using the extra horsepower purely to achieve a higher framerate. And I there must be plenty more power for developers to use, even after you take into account the power used by the social and VR aspects. Will be interesting to follow the developments, but it does feel like they're shortchanging current PS4 users somewhat.
Sheikah Posted March 31, 2016 Posted March 31, 2016 (edited) They do on PC and you don't see them complaining. Well that's PC. The whole point about console is that it's not PC; its audience are not the kind who care as much about specs hence they console game. Console gaming has always been about optimising games to a particular set of hardware instead of making games function at multiple levels for different hardware. Even the N3DS doesn't have more enemies on screen or a higher resolution in games for the same retail games across both hardware revisions, so do we really expect this will? A total waste of time and resources to double up optimisation efforts. Unless it's something really simple like load times, but we have these benefits already if we are willing to pay (SSD). WTF are Sony doing!? They're winning by a landslide, so why are they pulling a 32X here!? Who asked for this!? They will if they stop optimising the games for the lower specced model first and foremost... No, it's almost certainly not a successor or a revision that will receive proper PS4 games that the original console can't play (unlike the N3DS). I am actually a little amazed that some people think that could actually happen. It reckon be more like Kindle Fire TV 4K model versus the original. Except even less important, because gaming is the PS4's main focus. In this case, the 4K Fire TV model is a niche product that only a small proportion buy into; it's not the kind of thing to really hurt your average gamer who wants a PS4 to play games. As for the announcement/leak itself being a bad/stupid idea due to its effect on current sales...I really doubt this information will stop or even significantly slow the sale of PS4 systems within the next few months. Is that what you predict will happen? Because we can very easily see how 'stupid' Sony are for letting this slip by looking at sales the next few months. Edited March 31, 2016 by Sheikah
liger05 Posted March 31, 2016 Posted March 31, 2016 PC gaming has just looked more attractive. Those rumours make it sound like a PS5. I would love to think PS4 software won't be affected but I don't see how not.
Shorty Posted March 31, 2016 Posted March 31, 2016 You guys are crackers, losing your marbles over rumours.
Dcubed Posted March 31, 2016 Posted March 31, 2016 You guys are crackers, losing your marbles over rumours. Do I need to get the Bamboozled picture primed and ready again?
Sheikah Posted March 31, 2016 Posted March 31, 2016 (edited) You guys are crackers, losing your marbles over rumours. It is actually pretty funny how people are jumping to the most extreme conclusions! The PS4 is one of the most successful consoles of all time, yet some people seem to think Sony are soon releasing a successor? K. Edited March 31, 2016 by Sheikah
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