Cube Posted November 28, 2011 Posted November 28, 2011 It is pronounced "Veeta" right and not "Vyta" ? Vyta. Like "Vital" without the "l".
Diageo Posted November 28, 2011 Posted November 28, 2011 Vyta. Like "Vital" without the "l". It's obviously veeeeeetah!
Jon Posted November 28, 2011 Posted November 28, 2011 I did pay the price. I paid 250€ for my 60GB backwards compatible launch PS3. 3 years after it came out. And it still sucked when I bought it. You do realize that what I'm essentially saying is proven... the thing only started selling and becoming something to take seriously after the price drop. The PS3's dawn years were a giant flop. And everyone knew it. I'm a business student, and pretty much the basis for market rules is that what makes the world spin is price... You have to take losses in order to make profit. Sony's PS division took some years to realize this... the Vita is the first PS launch that makes sense... but they were still sneaky enough to corrupt it. Bottom line is, price is justifiable if you're offering a unique product... it's the reason Apple is a success, or Bentleys. The Playstation 3 had no advantage whatsoever over the 360 when it came out, as Blur Ray vs HDDVD war was still going on... and yet it still dared to overprice itself... if you ask me, they deserved all the hate and initial failure they got. It's a matter of knowing how the world works... Veeta. Isn't it obvious? oO Of course it had an advantage, only idiots thought HD-DVD would ever win. It was the most one sided battle in technology in a long time. Factoring in the £60 it costed to make the 360 WiFi capable out of the box with the adaptor, it was hardly over priced.
Oxigen_Waste Posted November 28, 2011 Posted November 28, 2011 Vyta. Like "Vital" without the "l". No, the name is latin based. Which means it's read Veeta, not Vyta. Of course it had an advantage, only idiots thought HD-DVD would ever win. It was the most one sided battle in technology in a long time. Factoring in the £60 it costed to make the 360 WiFi capable out of the box with the adaptor, it was hardly over priced. Factoring in the 200€ or 300€ (if you went for the arcade xbox) price difference, that is completely irrelevant, isn't it? Plus the fact that Blu-Ray was completely irrelevant at the time... and pretty much still is, compared to the power of DVD. (although the last 2 years have finally been making a change) Look, it's not rocket science... just check the numbers... the whole reason it initially flopped was the price. There's no other way around it, it is what it is. "The high launch price of the PS3 has been subjected to criticism from analysts, developers and consumers. Sony executive Phil Harrison has defended the price by citing its Blu-ray Disc support and overall value." Overall value? Lol... it too the damn thing 4 years to become good!
Daft Posted November 28, 2011 Posted November 28, 2011 If you can price an iPad at £400 the PS3 was the bargain of the century.
Nintendohnut Posted November 29, 2011 Posted November 29, 2011 If you can price an iPad at £400 the PS3 was the bargain of the century. That's not really fair, especially when you consider other tablets made by other companies (Samsung, Acer, etc etc) are all priced at around the same level. The Kindle Fire is the first (actually good) tablet to come in at a significantly lower price than it's competition, and that is both thanks to the fact that it misses out some features other tablets have, and the fact that it has been in development for a good few years until the cost of components dropped. I really don't think that at launch the PS3 could be considered good value because it was SO expensive. Still, the price did fall relatively quickly, and it soon became a good value product. At the time it launched, though, it really wasn't.
Daft Posted November 29, 2011 Posted November 29, 2011 That's kind of assuming I don't really want an iPad. I do. When the iPad 3 is out, one will be mine. In terms of not only what the PS3 could do, but more importantly what it became (and is), I'd say its price was easily justifiable. My PS3 gets so much use. Most of the time it is streaming movies and TV shows off my computer/HDD/LoveFilm or playing BluRays. The rest of the time I'm playing games. If I buy an iPad it slowly becomes obsolete. Had I bought a PS3 at launch, 5 or 6 years later it's functionality would be the same as any 'newer' model. To be honest, that's why I find it kind of weird people hold off say a £50 price drop that'll take over a year to come. My time is more valuable than money. But yeah, that's what I think and obviously it's different for everyone. I understand why people think the PS3 was overpriced, it makes sense. I didn't buy one at launch, I think I bought mine for like £360 with three games about coming up to three years ago now (I can't remember exactly).
dazzybee Posted November 29, 2011 Posted November 29, 2011 Huh, ipads don't become obsolete when new one's come out. Granted newer models have more functionality added then a new console but barely! The thing is, they're just completely different tech, I don't understand how you can properly compare them!
Daft Posted November 29, 2011 Posted November 29, 2011 I didn't say completely obsolescent. I don't know the exact details but some models of iPhone don't work with iOS4 and apps often integrate the functionality of newer models into their app which older hardware can't do. That's not a criticism of the iThing model. I'm just saying an advantage of the PS3 is that a 5-year-old console bought at launch will be able to play the same games as, for example, any redesign Sony may release of the PS3 in a couple years time. Which is an impressive lifespan for technology. I mean, that's where this premium price really came from. Sony attempted to future-proof their console and if you compare the functionality of a launch console to the functionality of today's console, it's massively different. It's almost a new machine. But whatever, this is all based on 'perceived' value so it's going to be totally down to the individual. All I'm saying is I can see the argument for both ways and I find the vitriol directed at these strategies a bit bizarre. Yeah, you can not agree with them but as a consumer you cast your vote by not buying one. Loads of people didn't buy a PS3 until the latest price drop. /Raaaaaaaaaaamble
dazzybee Posted November 29, 2011 Posted November 29, 2011 Yeah, the iPhones actually end up struggling to keep up in operating systems and software. But yeah, it's all about the markets; people seem happy to pay premium on tablets and smart phones (or is it just apple?) but gaming people seem to get a tad tight, weird considering how much money the software costs!!
Debug Mode Posted November 29, 2011 Posted November 29, 2011 I really need to stop going into the Playstation thread rather than this one to talk about the Vita.. Quoting my post in there: Looks like the price of PS Vita memory cards has popped up in gaming news again now that American retailers are starting to list their price for them rather than just the Japanese. Every time I see those prices, I just can't help but facepalm. That magic price point worked so well. Even though Nintendo cut the price of the 3DS, it's still an incredible price.. that'll now work out to about £290 minimum in most purchases because of the high percentage of games that'll require the memory card. Proprietary doesn't have to be so bad. It's annoying that you've gotta buy a new memory card. But in most cases when you buy a new electronic that requires one, even if you already own one chances are it's designated to something else so you buy a new one for your purchase. Then you have the reasons why they can't use memory stick pro duo such as the read/write speeds that wont be up to the standards required for digital games and the anti-piracy methods offered by the new format. But why are we expected to fork out so much for those memory cards? The lower your margins, you'll entice more people to buy higher capacity cards which will most probably result in a larger revenue. PSP games were roughly 2gb, god knows how much those Vita games are going to weigh in at. And they want to entice people into buying digitally distributed games with savings of only a couple of quid per game which we'll need a £100 32gb card to fully experience the convenience? Also @dazzybee, I imagine the premiums people are willing to pay are due to the convenient nature of them and for iPad, the Apple name factors heavily into it too.
Diageo Posted November 29, 2011 Posted November 29, 2011 I agree that this will greatly impede digital distribution.
ReZourceman Posted November 29, 2011 Posted November 29, 2011 I am annoyed at the price of the memory. I am really really really looking forward to this console though. Like. Liek omg/.
flameboy Posted December 1, 2011 Posted December 1, 2011 I am annoyed at the price of the memory. I am really really really looking forward to this console though. Like. Liek omg/. I am too but think all in I might struggle to justify buying one straight off. I certainly think it is worth holding out till the likes of Sandisk make memory cards for it they were so much cheaper for PSP.
Daft Posted December 2, 2011 Posted December 2, 2011 I'm sure my enthusiasm will die down again but this made me want. The EGTV Show: Why should you buy a PlayStation Vita?
flameboy Posted December 5, 2011 Posted December 5, 2011 It was confirmed this morning that the PlayStation Vita will only support one PlayStation Network account. The news is sure to disappoint many a gamer, a poor move on Sony’s part. What this means is, if you share the handheld with someone else, you’ll both have to play under the same PSN ID and also, you won’t be able to purchase content from different regions on the same Vita. The information was given at a public Vita event in Japan and credit to the first English language source, Neogaf, who translated as follows: “Only 1 account. If you want to to use a different account, you need to format the system to factory settings.†Brad Douglas of Sony Japan then confirmed the news via Twitter: “The only difference is that Vita requires you to do a factory reset when logging into a new account.†http://www.psnation.org/2011/12/05/one-account-only-on-ps-vita/ Dumb decision....basically means I will leave it now and won't get one at launch and will leave it until I am in Canada and have a canadian bank account so I can use the store properly...No point in investing in european one and getting games for it via PSN only to effectively lose the use of them when I move countries. Unique situation/problem to me sure but one none the less...
Magnus Posted December 5, 2011 Posted December 5, 2011 And I was saying how nice it is to be able to buy PSN games from different regions just the other day.
Daft Posted December 5, 2011 Posted December 5, 2011 I haven't used my other PSN accounts in literally years so I'm not bothered. Not sure why they're doing this, though. I guess they think they may sell more consoles that way.
flameboy Posted December 5, 2011 Posted December 5, 2011 I haven't used my other PSN accounts in literally years so I'm not bothered. Not sure why they're doing this, though. I guess they think they may sell more consoles that way. What as in you think people may buy 2 consoles?! Well it's done the opposite to me....I'm not buying one at all....for a while. On another note I think it is so dumb that there is no way to change your region....I mean I don't expect it to be a thing you can just do all the time but why can't you change address and register a card to validate moving region?
Dog-amoto Posted December 6, 2011 Posted December 6, 2011 Is this thread eventually going to be be stickied and threads for individual games will be made below?
Agent Gibbs Posted December 6, 2011 Posted December 6, 2011 no multiple accounts? what the mother fook! seriously why? for the NTSC market it makes some sense, but here in the pal region where they release sweet FA on the PSN compared to NTSC it pays to have two accounts. its been the only way to get some psone games on the psp, they've had resident evil for what 3 years and we have only just got RES1 let alone the others (its been awhile since i've looked if i'm now wrong on that) the more i hear the more i'll be leaving it untill christmas 2012 for one, the whole complaints i've heard about the holding position to avoid the touch pad put me right off, as did the price and memories of getting burned on my 3DS
Daft Posted December 6, 2011 Posted December 6, 2011 The difference between the UK PSN and the American PSN really isn't that big, though. On occasion there are lapses but more recently there has been pretty much parity between both stores. Dunno, maybe I'm wrong. I think there were a couple titles recently that were delayed in Europe but they are the exception, not the rule. And I we can only expect it to get better when the Vita places so much importance on downloadable games. Still not sure why they did it, though.
Magnus Posted December 6, 2011 Posted December 6, 2011 It's easy to say there's not a big difference between the European PSN and the American PSN and that it really doesn't matter that you'll only have access to one of them, until that one game you've been looking forward to doesn't get released over here.
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