killthenet Posted February 23, 2017 Posted February 23, 2017 It's definitely disappointing that we won't get VC games at launch but it's what we all expected unfortunately. I'm willing to give them a couple of months to get it all up and running but if there isn't a large library of VC games available when the service launches and they appear to be going the same trickled release route as with the Wii U and 3DS then I will be very disappointed and will most certainly complain. Same goes for the online service too, Nintendo deserve some time to get things right but if there hasn't been any improvement in service over what was available on Wii U by the time they start charging for it then i'll happily join the outrage. It's good news to hear that Fast RMX and Shovel Knight will be available on launch day too, hopefully the Nindies presentation next week has some more info on the eshop and online services. I got an email from Nintendo earlier telling me to make sure all my money was in order, so hopefully it ships soon!
Nicktendo Posted February 23, 2017 Posted February 23, 2017 It's definitely disappointing that we won't get VC games at launch but it's what we all expected unfortunately. I'm willing to give them a couple of months to get it all up and running but if there isn't a large library of VC games available when the service launches and they appear to be going the same trickled release route as with the Wii U and 3DS then I will be very disappointed and will most certainly complain. Same goes for the online service too, Nintendo deserve some time to get things right but if there hasn't been any improvement in service over what was available on Wii U by the time they start charging for it then i'll happily join the outrage. It's good news to hear that Fast RMX and Shovel Knight will be available on launch day too, hopefully the Nindies presentation next week has some more info on the eshop and online services. I got an email from Nintendo earlier telling me to make sure all my money was in order, so hopefully it ships soon! See, now this is a sensible and measured post. Instead of blind outrage, this post is frank in its assesments, not over the top. "Disappointing" instead of "ridiculous". "Willing to wait" instead of moaning or saying "typical Nintendo" who are "out of touch", like their word is gospel. There are a few people on this forum who I'm sure say the things they do for a reaction, yes everything I've written today has been very black and white, but that is simply a response to the people who warble on about the same thing every time, that "it's not good enough" from Nintendo. Not good enough FOR YOU. Not good enough to get YOUR MONEY (even though they are). This is why I don't understand why they are buying day one, it just defies logic. "Oh but I'll enjoy the games" is used as justification for pissing on everything else. Like I said it's not that black and white, yet people endlessly make the same boring points. When people claim they'll enjoy the games, I would ask, what games? Zelda is about the bulk of it and a couple of Wii U indie ports at lauch. What games? My arguments about this being a soft launch have been ignored because people want it ALL and want it NOW. There are a lot of things I'm not 100% pleased about with the Switch launch, especially the price of the accessories. I have stated my criticisms previously, but overall I'm excited for release, feel the pros outweigh the cons and I'm looking forward to the console. Online and VC will come with time. No it's not the PS4, sorry, but this is Nintendo after all, so out of touch. I'm up for in-depth and well informed discussion about the launch and the games, but the same people (from both sides, incidentally) keep dragging it down with points we've heard 100 times. How can discussion move on if every time Nintendo make a perceived wrong move people drag the discussion back to stuff we've already exhausted. Criticism is fair game, but using the appropriate language and not retreading old arguments would go a long way to making it more tolerable.
FalcoLombardi Posted February 23, 2017 Posted February 23, 2017 I somewhat regret not pre-ordering a Switch. I'll most likely get one once I can go back to riding public transport for work. Or when I get moved to the middle of West Virginia for work and will have to do a bunch of sitting around.
Sheikah Posted February 23, 2017 Posted February 23, 2017 (edited) See, now this is a sensible and measured post. Instead of blind outrage, this post is frank in its assesments, not over the top. "Disappointing" instead of "ridiculous". "Willing to wait" instead of moaning or saying "typical Nintendo" who are "out of touch", like their word is gospel. There are a few people on this forum who I'm sure say the things they do for a reaction, yes everything I've written today has been very black and white, but that is simply a response to the people who warble on about the same thing every time, that "it's not good enough" from Nintendo. Not good enough FOR YOU. The bolded is one of the stranger comments I've seen made on here in a while. Surely it's fairly clear from people's posts that they're expressing their own opinions on the matter? I find it odd that people spend so much time complaining about people complaining on here. but the same people (from both sides, incidentally) keep dragging it down with points we've heard 100 times. How can discussion move on if every time Nintendo make a perceived wrong move people drag the discussion back to stuff we've already exhausted. We've literally just learned today that there's no launch VC - totally fair game to talk about. As is anything, really. Edited February 23, 2017 by Sheikah
Dcubed Posted February 23, 2017 Posted February 23, 2017 The lack of VC at launch is disappointing, but I completely expected it. I don't expect it to start until September/October when the paid online service launches now. The NES Classic Mini is probably partly to blame for the delay. Sucking up a lot of NERD's resources that would otherwise probably going into VC games on the Switch. Gutting to think of how long we'll have to wait, but oh well. Hope we get some more concrete details about it soon (but we probably won't until E3 )
Grazza Posted February 23, 2017 Posted February 23, 2017 Any other company that so blatantly ignored their core fanbase this consistently would have gone bust a long, long time ago. Thanks to what seems to be a kind of begrudging reverse-fanboyism, which is based on seemingly nothing but nostalgia, Nintendo are being kept in business by people who consistently rush out to buy products they don't really want. We all hate Nintendo, but damn we love their games. Here's hoping Nintendo go third party so people can finally be at peace again. This strikes such a chord with me (and may hit a nerve with others). I'm not going to take sides in the debate here, but I admire you for having the guts to say it. I've ordered a Switch and I don't really know why - I'm not even the tiniest bit excited for it at the moment. I feel a bit gullible for doing so, but don't feel insulted by your point of view, because I'm well aware it's rather daft of me. On the positive side, I'm looking forward to playing (probably) the best version of Zelda, and I do genuinely want a lot of the 2D indie games. : peace: But hey, who knows? Especially with that embargo. It's probably censored, with the best stuff behind a DLC paywall!
Falcon_BlizZACK Posted February 23, 2017 Posted February 23, 2017 I've seen two big BOTW billboards on the London Underground today. The word is slowly getting out to the masses... Which stations!?
Pestneb Posted February 23, 2017 Posted February 23, 2017 I somewhat regret not pre-ordering a Switch. I'll most likely get one once I can go back to riding public transport for work. Or when I get moved to the middle of West Virginia for work and will have to do a bunch of sitting around. part of me regrets not getting the switch, but the sensible side of me knows that I wouldn't get the most out of it. BotW would likely never get finished, the switch would gather dust... I can't see myself really investing time into the switch till 2018, and tbh at that stage 1 2 switch may be just as appealing as BotW but I will see. Would definitely love to have won a switch through one of the competitions I entered.
Falcon_BlizZACK Posted February 23, 2017 Posted February 23, 2017 Why? Which other consoles bar the Wii have launched with a virtual back catalogue? I'm so tired of this entitled gamer mentality where people feel they have the right to complain about every single decision. Why are you buying day one if the console doesn't have what you want? Why are you wasting your money on a product that you're not happy with? How exactly is no VC a big deal? Just like every other consoles launch in history we won't have a huge choice of stuff to play initially. We paid our pre-orders knowing that, complaining about it now is ridiculous. The VC will launch when Nintendo are ready to launch it and hopefully it will be much better than the Wii U one. Not being available at launch indicates they might be making an effort this time. Don't wanna tread of any toes, but THIS! If you kind of suspected VC wont be available for launch and it was one of your prerequisites before owning the system... why purchase it at launch? And when you do purchase it at launch, why get mad about it?
Blade Posted February 23, 2017 Posted February 23, 2017 This strikes such a chord with me (and may hit a nerve with others). I'm not going to take sides in the debate here, but I admire you for having the guts to say it. I've ordered a Switch and I don't really know why - I'm not even the tiniest bit excited for it at the moment. I feel a bit gullible for doing so, but don't feel insulted by your point of view, because I'm well aware it's rather daft of me. On the positive side, I'm looking forward to playing (probably) the best version of Zelda, and I do genuinely want a lot of the 2D indie games. : peace: But hey, who knows? Especially with that embargo. It's probably censored, with the best stuff behind a DLC paywall! I'm exactly the same. I'm just excited about playing Zelda on a new console. I'm buying it for that reason and will end up getting Matio. I don't want to miss out on the AAA Nintendo titles. I am disappointed that the features of the Switch do not match those of other consoles. I am personally disappointed that there are no VC at launch. Why I am not allowed to be disappointed? Why does criticism of Nintendo receive such hostility from people? I reluctantly bought a PS4 (I am now happy that I did). I rather that I didn't though as I wanted whatever Nintendo releases to be the primary console. There are lots of positives about the new console, namely the concept, and it does look sleek. I don't understand why people get so upset when they read negative feedback. Rather than complain about people complaining and trolling why not argue the other side? "Entitled gamer" - nah, I am just a consumer, with valid complaints.
Serebii Posted February 23, 2017 Author Posted February 23, 2017 (edited) Any other company that so blatantly ignored their core fanbase this consistently would have gone bust a long, long time ago. Thanks to what seems to be a kind of begrudging reverse-fanboyism, which is based on seemingly nothing but nostalgia, Nintendo are being kept in business by people who consistently rush out to buy products they don't really want. We all hate Nintendo, but damn we love their games. Here's hoping Nintendo go third party so people can finally be at peace again. Oh come the hell on. That's a bit of an overreaction Virtual Console is really not that big a deal. The numbers it does aren't big. If I'm not mistaken, the best selling VC games are the Pokémon 3DS VC games and they did less than 2 million sold combined at last number I saw (though that may have been fastest selling, not best. Looking now). VC isn't that big a revenue stream. We're lucky it's coming Edit: Though I'm starting to think your post was sarcasm :p Edited February 23, 2017 by Serebii
liger05 Posted February 23, 2017 Posted February 23, 2017 From neogaf Nintendo France: Switch does not support Bluetooth headsets/headphonesLast week some French outlet did an interview with Koizumi in which he apparently confirmed support for Bluetooth headsets and headphones. Now the same outlet reports that Nintendo France informed them that this was a misunderstanding or wrong translation. Switch does not support Bluetooth headsets as of now. Source: http://www.melty.fr/nintendo-switch-...s-a592119.html Yes I'm an entitled gamer and disappointed.
DazzeL Posted February 23, 2017 Posted February 23, 2017 There's no need for posts to get so personal. There are people on here that are very jaded by Nintendo and others that are still looking for every positive to support them. There are then lots of people also somewhere in between. That's life, we would have nothing to discuss if we all agreed.
Nicktendo Posted February 23, 2017 Posted February 23, 2017 (edited) From neogaf Source: http://www.melty.fr/nintendo-switch-...s-a592119.html Yes I'm an entitled gamer and disappointed. Cancel those pre-orders! Edited February 23, 2017 by Rummy Automerged Doublepost
khilafah Posted February 23, 2017 Posted February 23, 2017 From neogaf Source: http://www.melty.fr/nintendo-switch-...s-a592119.html Yes I'm an entitled gamer and disappointed. Can't believe this doesn't support Bluetooth headsets and headphones. That's pretty shoddy for Nintendo to not support it again.
Mike Posted February 23, 2017 Posted February 23, 2017 Which stations!? Can't remember for sure... Hammersmith, maybe?
Falcon_BlizZACK Posted February 23, 2017 Posted February 23, 2017 I'm exactly the same. I'm just excited about playing Zelda on a new console. I'm buying it for that reason and will end up getting Matio. I don't want to miss out on the AAA Nintendo titles. I am disappointed that the features of the Switch do not match those of other consoles. I am personally disappointed that there are no VC at launch. Why I am not allowed to be disappointed? Why does criticism of Nintendo receive such hostility from people? I reluctantly bought a PS4 (I am now happy that I did). I rather that I didn't though as I wanted whatever Nintendo releases to be the primary console. There are lots of positives about the new console, namely the concept, and it does look sleek. I don't understand why people get so upset when they read negative feedback. Rather than complain about people complaining and trolling why not argue the other side? "Entitled gamer" - nah, I am just a consumer, with valid complaints. Criticism is good. But when the same old "typical Nintendo" comments get recycled year in year out, its becomes a "fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me" scenario. Especially when people routinely buy the products they don't seem too happy about (probably a misconception due to the criticisms possibly being aired more than what people are actually enjoying about these Nintendo products). Its very strange, that some members are day-oneing the Switch but by the comments they leave you'd think they wouldn't dare put £350+ on such a product, especially at launch. (Not looking to get into any circular back and forths here, just putting down my two pence).
Rummy Posted February 23, 2017 Posted February 23, 2017 (edited) There's no need for posts to get so personal. There are people on here that are very jaded by Nintendo and others that are still looking for every positive to support them. There are then lots of people also somewhere in between. That's life, we would have nothing to discuss if we all agreed. Quite. Better put than I probably could have - and hopefully people will give this post some notice and take it on board. I am getting tired of the personal stuff. Don't call people names(however inoffensive you think it might be) and avoid attacking people. Attack arguments and points and offer counterarguments. Agree to disagree where you can't do otherwise. Try to accept points even if you can't understand them, rather than dismissing them. Mod warning: Posts I see that are solely complaints about complaints, or posts that are attacking people personally or calling names will be edited/deleted and the poster banned from this thread for a week without further warning. 'It was a joke' will not be any valid defence. Edited February 23, 2017 by Rummy
Falcon_BlizZACK Posted February 23, 2017 Posted February 23, 2017 (edited) Speaking of VC - Were people expecting GC VC games at launch? I'd imagine the other consoles VC we'd bought up since the Wii days. @Rummy Is it worth having that discussion topic bought back up so we can discuss board issues? (think it was titled something like "this place") Edited February 23, 2017 by King_V
Aneres11 Posted February 23, 2017 Posted February 23, 2017 Why am I eyeing 1 2 Switch up as a potential launch day purchase all of a sudden? No knock to the head that I recall... I'll go and have a word with myself see if that helps.
Falcon_BlizZACK Posted February 23, 2017 Posted February 23, 2017 Why am I eyeing 1 2 Switch up as a potential launch day purchase all of a sudden? No knock to the head that I recall... I'll go and have a word with myself see if that helps. £36.85 Shopto I thought was decent. There seems to be much more games than what we know.
Sméagol Posted February 23, 2017 Posted February 23, 2017 Why am I eyeing 1 2 Switch up as a potential launch day purchase all of a sudden? No knock to the head that I recall... I'll go and have a word with myself see if that helps. If it helps: Don't get it. Get Snipperclips if you want an early multiplayer title, or get Bomberman if you want a more "party" title.
tapedeck Posted February 23, 2017 Posted February 23, 2017 VC at launch would have been nice but it would have eaten up many other eShop sales. The first party juggernauts from past systems always sit atop the eShop charts. Coupled with BotW, better for Nintendo to give the system breathing space for third parties to establish a viable eco-system for third party software. Their 'Nindies' approach is a great way to showcase this as well. With NERD, Nintendo have a suitable VC developer with the experience and technical know-how to get things working quickly (especially on Switch's improved architecture). It'll come. We don't need 30 games day one (like WiiU had). Nintendo need a drip effect of buzz until Christmas. We all know the VC is an ace in Nintendo's sleeve. Better to announce it when the launch buzz cools off and to keep the hype train rolling...
khilafah Posted February 23, 2017 Posted February 23, 2017 Speaking of VC - Were people expecting GC VC games at launch? I'd imagine the other consoles VC we'd bought up since the Wii days. @Rummy Is it worth having that discussion topic bought back up so we can discuss board issues? (think it was titled something like "this place") There is a few of us that are not convinced there will be GC games at any time. Although I am scared of the price of GC software if Nintendo ever did offer it.
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