Nintendo Switch - Happy Switchmas Everyone!

[Ike]

Cranky Kong Federation Force announcement, calling it now.

[liger05]

These contracts will have to be credit checked.

 

I just can't see it happening.

 

Exactly. To sell a console like that would be madness. It creates a barrier of entry.

 

Impulse buys do not involve signing up to a contract. A quality technological product doesn't even require impulse buys. You are targeting a core audience of people that play games which is a huge market. You convince them to buy with releasing the right product and after that the more casual gamer will follow if the product is right by word of mouth.

 

People look at the wii pricing and say it was perfect for impulse buys but the Wii could of been double the price and it still would of sold gang busters as it was a hot product.

Edited September 12, 2016 by liger05

[killthenet]

There's a supposed tweet from Kevin Periera now which basically spells out 'NX news tomorrow' that Reddit have jumped on, but looking at the guys Twitter feed no tweet exists so it's either been invented by a frustrated fan or was posted and then quickly deleted by him.

 

Will probably just end up being 'Paper Mario' related though.

Edited September 12, 2016 by killthenet

[Clownferret]

Forgetting the actual monthly cost, a subscription based model does make sense. Apple would not sell half as many iphones if you had to hand over £600 up front. Nintendo are now working in the phone business and will no doubt at the very least had a look at it works. Let's not forget the entire games business works on the Gillette business model of selling the hardware cheap and then making big profits on the software, so they will be open to getting NX into as many homes as possible.

[Blade]

Sorry, it doesn't make sense at all. You get games with the monthly subscription costs? i can't see 3rd parties jumping on that. I can't see the games making any money!

 

Btw, with mobiles it is not Apple or Samsung that puts their products on a contract. They sell their handsets at a price. Its the mobile phone operators that allow you to take credit and have a phone on a contract.

 

I can't see how it can work to be honest if it is the only way to obtain the console. It would mean that anyone with an adverse credit history risks not being able to obtain the console regardless of personal circumstances or affordability.

[Glen-i]

I find it amazing some of.you are still entertaining the idea of a subscription fee for a console!

 

It's official, the lack of info has literally driven people mental.

[Happenstance]

I find it amazing some of.you are still entertaining the idea of a subscription fee for a console!

 

It's official, the lack of info has literally driven people mental.

 

To be fair it has been done before. If I remember right, Microsoft trialed it with the Xbox 360. You could get them from certain Microsoft stores in the US.

[bob]

Plus, it would improve the 'attachment rate'. If people get a game every month, that would increase the number of games than the average person owned.

[liger05]

Forgetting the actual monthly cost, a subscription based model does make sense. Apple would not sell half as many iphones if you had to hand over £600 up front. Nintendo are now working in the phone business and will no doubt at the very least had a look at it works. Let's not forget the entire games business works on the Gillette business model of selling the hardware cheap and then making big profits on the software, so they will be open to getting NX into as many homes as possible.

 

Nintendo are developing software for mobile. Does the really cross over into the business of selling phones and mobile phone contracts?

[Pestneb]

Sorry, it doesn't make sense at all. You get games with the monthly subscription costs? i can't see 3rd parties jumping on that. I can't see the games making any money!

 

Btw, with mobiles it is not Apple or Samsung that puts their products on a contract. They sell their handsets at a price. Its the mobile phone operators that allow you to take credit and have a phone on a contract.

 

I can't see how it can work to be honest if it is the only way to obtain the console. It would mean that anyone with an adverse credit history risks not being able to obtain the console regardless of personal circumstances or affordability.

 

here's how it works.

 

Wii U sold 10 million consoles.

FIFA sells 450k, at £30 making £13.5M.

 

NX sells 10 million.

Fifa is "given away" to 33% of those console owners at £5 a go.

Fifa makes 15M.

 

Or say Rayman legends, I don't see that shifting many units these days, so take the 700k and then of the remaining 9.3 Million they get 33%.. upping sales to 3.8M sold, with ubisoft getting £12.4M extra "free" cash.

 

Obviously third parties would choose if they wanted their games available at those prices, likely new releases wouldn't appear on the list, but it would be a way of upping attach rate for third parties. Obviously the NX would need to sell enough to make it worth while. Maybe if only 1 game was available each month (so Fifa sells £50M worth...) it would work better initially.

 

It does make a certain amount of sense, but I do think a traditional stand alone method would need to exist for ease of access. And as you said, it could be a system where you go to a games specialist/Argos, and they can opt in to have "NX+" contracts or whatever, "get your hands on the next generation of gaming for just £X*" *monthly fee etc stupid legalese And then have the regular buy the console up front method available too, maybe with a opt in to pay the monthly fee (failure to pay locks your library of free games).

 

Nintendo pop on VC games, Wii U games etc all together initially, then when enough third parties are interested, have months where there are no Nintendo published freebies, so the 3rd parties get the cash.

 

So say on the Wii U, this month it could be Fifa, Watchdogs and Need for speed. It would be a no brainer, imo only one of those games is worth having.

 

Anyway, we shall see, I doubt it will be like that though.

Edited September 13, 2016 by Pestneb

[Ashley]

Basically PSPlus+

[Clownferret]

The article didate state that the option to just purchase the console and games in the traditional sense was still an option.

The more I think about it the more it makes sense. Say EA make £2 profit on every game of FIFA they sell. They have to sell 1 million copies to make £2 million. If they get 50p for every subscriber and the year have 10 million subscriber's then EA are guaranteed to get their £2 million. I can almost see Nintendo just doing this with EA and Activision and splitting the revenue 3 ways. That would guarantee every game from EA and Activision is on NX and solves the 3rd party issue.

[Sheikah]

The article didate state that the option to just purchase the console and games in the traditional sense was still an option.

The more I think about it the more it makes sense. Say EA make £2 profit on every game of FIFA they sell. They have to sell 1 million copies to make £2 million. If they get 50p for every subscriber and the year have 10 million subscriber's then EA are guaranteed to get their £2 million. I can almost see Nintendo just doing this with EA and Activision and splitting the revenue 3 ways. That would guarantee every game from EA and Activision is on NX and solves the 3rd party issue.

 

Can you do that example again but replace £2 with £40?

[Serebii]

Cranky Kong Federation Force announcement, calling it now.

 

This is suddenly a thing that I want

[Pestneb]

Can you do that example again but replace £2 with £40?

 

£40 doesn't go entirely to EA. regardless, if they sell a game for £40 to MAYBE 10% of the console owners, it's still a better deal to sell it for £4 to definitely 100% of the console owners. of course if they can sell the game for £40 to 15% of console owners that is still a better path to take, but the specifics would be for EA and Nintendo to figure out.

 

I think the My Nintendo system would be a better fit, with a discount offered with certain amounts of platinum/gold coins, more platinum/gold coins available during the launch week/month etc. to try to pull in third parties. Say someone who has 10 Nintendo games worth of gold points can get 80% off the purchase of Fifa. have more rewards for purchasing 3rd party software basically, and have promotions to encourage improved third party support from NX customers.

[Sheikah]

£40 doesn't go entirely to EA. regardless, if they sell a game for £40 to MAYBE 10% of the console owners, it's still a better deal to sell it for £4 to definitely 100% of the console owners. of course if they can sell the game for £40 to 15% of console owners that is still a better path to take, but the specifics would be for EA and Nintendo to figure out.

 

I think the My Nintendo system would be a better fit, with a discount offered with certain amounts of platinum/gold coins, more platinum/gold coins available during the launch week/month etc. to try to pull in third parties. Say someone who has 10 Nintendo games worth of gold points can get 80% off the purchase of Fifa. have more rewards for purchasing 3rd party software basically, and have promotions to encourage improved third party support from NX customers.

Yeah bit of a joke but for a £45 or so sale price, they're getting a damn lot of that.

[Ronnie]

regardless, if they sell a game for £40 to MAYBE 10% of the console owners, it's still a better deal to sell it for £4 to definitely 100% of the console owners.

 

Thing is, Nintendo games typically have a crazy high attach rate, far more than any other system so whilst a subscription service might make sense on PS4 and XBO, when you sell 6 million copies of MK8 on a 10 million installbase, they probably stand to make more money selling the games normally, for full price.

[liger05]

Thing is, Nintendo games typically have a crazy high attach rate, far more than any other system so whilst a subscription service might make sense on PS4 and XBO, when you sell 6 million copies of MK8 on a 10 million installbase, they probably stand to make more money selling the games normally, for full price.

 

No doubt. If Nintendo did something like that there share price would go down quicker than cheap prositute.

[killthenet]

I don't know, their clueless shareholders seem increasingly keen to switch to a full mobile business model so I think they'd probably welcome it with open arms.

[Glen-i]

I don't know, their clueless shareholders seem increasingly keen to switch to a full mobile business model so I think they'd probably welcome it with open arms.

 

So I come in here this morning and we're still at this crazy mental contract console station!? Except now we're acknowledging shareholders?

 

Call me crazy, but I think this idea is absolutely dumb and stupid and dumb!

Hell, here's a concept that makes about as much sense.

The NX is a pink frilly tutu that you wear on your pretty and no doubt perfectly toned hips. Control input is done by endlessly pirouetting on the spot. Failing to pirouette at any time results in failure, the player is notified of this by sharp electrical shocks directly to their buttocks!

 

Discuss! Go on, damn it. DISCUSS!

[nekunando]

Is this the new QOL product they've been working on, @Glen\-i?

 

I wonder what weird and wonderful rumours we'll hear today? I wake up every morning hoping we finally have a date

[MindFreak]

GameCube turns 15 today. We got the final name GameCube and saw the next-to-final design August 24th 2000, more than a year before the initial launch in Japan. Wonder how long before we'll get the name of NX...

[Kav]

At this point I think it's outrageous they've not show it yet and this sums up why perfectly:

 

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[Serebii]

Why's it outrageous? As I said, it's not 1998 anymore. Xbox One went with a 6 month reveal to release period. Sony had only a little more. They don't need long to show it and it has new ideas that could be adapted by others, as we saw with the Wii and the whole second screen stuff that hit in 2012

[Rummy]

Thing is, Nintendo games typically have a crazy high attach rate, far more than any other system so whilst a subscription service might make sense on PS4 and XBO, when you sell 6 million copies of MK8 on a 10 million installbase, they probably stand to make more money selling the games normally, for full price.

 

I don't think the point/idea of it would be for Nintendo games.

 

I'm with Glen-I though - it's ridiculous! Just far more money to be had in the current model really. Going down the PS+ model is probably the best balance of the two - but again something like that needs to have a decent amount of storage to back it up.