Mundi Posted June 6, 2009 Share Posted June 6, 2009 Okay, I just lost a gigantic post about Salvation. Fucking IE... So Mundi, what are the plot holes? Because there weren't any... were you paying attention? Well, there was one (why would the machines just leave Marcus to rot for 20 years if he was that important and they knew were he was), but that one rendered the character important, so I guess it's forgivable. Other than that, the plot is very well thought out. But please, do enlighten me. Anyone, for that matter. Kyle Reese was was captured alive and put in a cell and just left there despite being number one on the kill list, if he is number one on the KILL list one would have thought he would be person number one to be KILLED as soon as possible by Skynet Same with John Connor (number 2 on that same Kill list), when he was mucking about inside the Skynet base Skynet decided not to attack him until it told the robot they made to think it was human that he was programmed to lead him inside Skynet When Marcus was walking into Skynet why didn´t the turret shoot at him? The T-800 shot at him at the beginning of the film. Or did being aware of being a robot trigger an effect where every other robot don´t treat him as hostile? This point is just nitpicking but it annoyed me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightwolf Posted June 6, 2009 Share Posted June 6, 2009 (edited) Jarhead I'm not a fan of war films, past or present. So I was shocked to find how much I enjoyed this film, the guys were idiots for sure, but it was interesting to watch and it felt like I wasn't being bullshitted like I have with films recently. My only critism is the ending, it's quite poetic I suppose, but anti-climac with the 'my rifle is nothing without me, I am nothing without my rifle' only not to shoot it? Bollocks. 8/10 Edited June 6, 2009 by nightwolf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wesley Posted June 6, 2009 Share Posted June 6, 2009 Spooooiler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slaggis Posted June 6, 2009 Share Posted June 6, 2009 (edited) American Beauty I've never seen a more perfect film in my entire life. There's absolutely nothing that isn't amazing about this film. It's captivating, horrifying, poignant, hilarious and amazingly emotional as it comes to an oddly satisfying and yet depressingly final conclusion. Only one of two films to actually get me emotional at the ending. Though, I love how even after the 7th time of watching it, it still has the exact same effect of me as it did during my first watch. Perfect. Edited June 6, 2009 by Slaggis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paj! Posted June 6, 2009 Share Posted June 6, 2009 Requiem For A Dream I feel sick after watching this. A film ha never left me feeling this empty. Jesus christ. I'm genuinely upset by this. My soul is in unrest. Absofuckinglutely brilliant, but my right hand is slightly shaking from depressive anxiety. The final bit with the "theme" that runs through the whole film was just too much for me. I'm making it sound like a horror film, and it is in the sense of...genuine human horror. Lordy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxigen_Waste Posted June 6, 2009 Share Posted June 6, 2009 (edited) Kyle Reese was was captured alive and put in a cell and just left there despite being number one on the kill list, if he is number one on the KILL list one would have thought he would be person number one to be KILLED as soon as possible by Skynet Same with John Connor (number 2 on that same Kill list), when he was mucking about inside the Skynet base Skynet decided not to attack him until it told the robot they made to think it was human that he was programmed to lead him inside Skynet When Marcus was walking into Skynet why didn´t the turret shoot at him? The T-800 shot at him at the beginning of the film. Or did being aware of being a robot trigger an effect where every other robot don´t treat him as hostile? This point is just nitpicking but it annoyed me The first two, the objective was NOT to eliminate them, but to surplant them, use Kyle to get Connor, then turn him into something like Marcus. So he could be used to eliminate the resistance completely. You don't kill your decoys. Because as the machines put it, killing him would serve no purpose except create an alternate timeline in another future, which wouldn't affect the current future in the slightest. As for the third one, he's one of them as far as Skynet knows, so it makes sense for them not to attack him. As for the first T-800 in the movie, it's pretty simple, it's an assault model, their function is to eliminate all that moves. Not scan all that moves and give it a chance to escape before it determines wether or not to attack. They attacked each other at least 2 times in the movie. Priority number 1: attack. Plus, it was a bit impossible to determine he was a machine at that time, since their scanning abilities are based on the immediate physique, and he only became noticeably machine-ish when he was all bruised out. Also, the second drone was a defensive turret which, on the other hand, is a guardian. ALSO, and this was mainly the point of my previous point, the whole plot of all the 4 Terminator movies is seriously flawed. What made the first two good was the tension, never the plot. I haven't seen salvation yet. But I'm fairly sure that the machines don't know that Kyle is his dad. Only that he's John's right-hand man. Oh, and I have one question: Is Derek in the film? Then why would it want to capture him first... thing things through, m'boy... of course it knows. What it doesn't know is that he'll become the right hand man. Who the fuck is Derek? Edited June 6, 2009 by Oxigen_Waste Automerged Doublepost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cube Posted June 6, 2009 Share Posted June 6, 2009 Who the fuck is Derek? He's Kyle's older brother. I'm guessing that he's not in the film (must've been killed early in the Salvation timeline, or the producers just didn't care). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris the great Posted June 6, 2009 Share Posted June 6, 2009 Drag me to hell or, as I call it Woman looking slowly over her shoulder then you jump well, it was kinda funny, obviosuly intentional. i thought the whole horror aspect was reliant on a loud noise and a scary picture. seriosuly, it was constant. thats not how you make a film scary, though i guess its more of an omage (sp?) to the horror genra. horribly acted, average story with no alot going for it. 4/10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan-likes-trees Posted June 6, 2009 Share Posted June 6, 2009 The Squid and the Whale Supurb story of a divorce splitting up a family. Great acting, especially liked the relationship with the father the older son... good choice of music as well, liked the cover of Hey You Just a really realistic and well written piece. 9 / 10 Hostel Not a fan... wasn't the gorefest I was anticipating, more of a black comedy to me... which is potentially a bad thing as the people I was watching it with were appalled by it. Anyways, thought it was a bit crap. 5 / 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwarf Posted June 6, 2009 Share Posted June 6, 2009 (edited) Drag me to hell or, as I call it Woman looking slowly over her shoulder then you jump well, it was kinda funny, obviosuly intentional. i thought the whole horror aspect was reliant on a loud noise and a scary picture. seriosuly, it was constant. thats not how you make a film scary, though i guess its more of an omage (sp?) to the horror genra. horribly acted, average story with no alot going for it. 4/10 Without trying to be an ass most words in your posts are spelling errors llo. Edited June 6, 2009 by dwarf Automerged Doublepost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris the great Posted June 6, 2009 Share Posted June 6, 2009 Without trying to be an ass most words in your posts are spelling errors llo. llo indeed. llo INDEED seriosuly though, dyslexia and all that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwarf Posted June 6, 2009 Share Posted June 6, 2009 Oh, n00b error sorry. Llo was intentional though! Which I think/hope you realised. I'll stop now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fierce_LiNk Posted June 6, 2009 Share Posted June 6, 2009 Jarhead I'm not a fan of war films, past or present. So I was shocked to find how much I enjoyed this film, the guys were idiots for sure, but it was interesting to watch and it felt like I wasn't being bullshitted like I have with films recently. My only critism is the ending, it's quite poetic I suppose, but anti-climac with the 'my rifle is nothing without me, I am nothing without my rifle' only not to shoot it? Bollocks. 8/10 It's meant to be anti-climatic. Many people signed up with the hope of "kicking some Iraqi ass" but a lot barely saw any action. They signed up, did all the training and spent a lot of time waiting around, watching various spurts of action that they themselves were not involved in. Remember that scene where that dude goes crazy after he isn't allowed to take that shot at the enemy, as the airstrike (I think) was called in? That's probably the best scene in the film, I think. Love it. I'd probably give it 8/10 as well. I was mixed the first time I saw it, but like it more now. I've just seen Signs tonight. Brilliant movie, really quite under-rated. I love the performances by each member of the family, as it actually feels like a family. That scene in the basement where the camera just stays on Joaquin Phoenix's face for about 2 mins as he watches anxiously as Mel Gibson tries to help his son...it's brilliant. No other word for it. Me and a good friend of mine both rant and rave about this, haha. Probably 8/10 for me, bordering on 9. I've also seen the three Terminator films this week, and should be seeing Salvation tomorrow. The Terminator One of my favourite films of all time, if not the favourite. Michael Biehn probably gives the best performance of his life as Kyle Reese. Such a well written character, and Biehn does justice to his role. You actually could mistake him for a delusional or paranoid stalker, but equally you could believe he is from the future. That scene in the police station when he's being interviewed, I've got huge respect for that. And also, THAT speech. "That Terminator is out there. It can't be bargained with, it's can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity. Or remorse. Or fear. And it absolutely will not stop. Ever. Until you are dead." Whoever wrote that is a God. My favourite speech in any film. Perfect 10/10. Terminator 2 It's very different to the first film, and is brilliant in its own right. However, I prefer the first. It's much more tense, and you feel more afraid as its literally man vs. machine. In T2, its machine vs. man + machine, heh. It's still tense, but I find the first film more "thrilling." Great scriptwork and some brilliant action set pieces. James Cameron really does know how to make a great film. I really can't imagine anyone else playing the role of Sarah Conner or the T-1000, it was written for these people. 9/10. Bluddy amazing in its own right, but I prefer the first film but quite a margin. Most people think I'm insane, but I know what I like. Terminator 3 Easily the weakest of the three films. That perfect casting that exists in the previous films is less perfect here. I'm not convinced by the guy who's playing John this time around, and for me Arnie just appears too "human" for my liking. The script is a bit naff, and although there are some good instances here, a lot of it is just plain bad. However, I do like the speech John gives at the end, the very end of the film. The major fail here though was the action pieces. There's one part where the T-X pulls off a car door and flings it, and the camera switches view, so that the door gets flung towards the camera, close. It just doesn't suit the films. It's very unlike the previous two, and just makes it feel quite amateurish. That battle between the T-X and Arnie was also very naff. It didn't look right, and you just didn't feel like there was any weight to any of it. Does Arnie really get thrown through a wall? It may as well have been paper. For reference, look back to that brilliant fight in the furnace at the end of T2. Much, much better. 5/10. Average. It does get slightly better after each viewing, but it also gets slightly worse. The Holy Trilogy was never meant to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ganepark32 Posted June 6, 2009 Share Posted June 6, 2009 Blues Brothers Absolute classic this. Such a great movie. Great music, great actors and great quest appearances from the likes of Ray Charles and Aretha Franklin. Been ages since I had seen it and I'd forgotten Ray Charles was in it so was a nice shock remembering that.B And it's amazing to think that John Belushi gave that performance even though he was out of his mind of coke the whole way through filming. Everyone needs to watch this film at least once. 9 out of 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris the great Posted June 6, 2009 Share Posted June 6, 2009 I've just seen Signs tonight. Brilliant movie, really quite under-rated. I love the performances by each member of the family, as it actually feels like a family. That scene in the basement where the camera just stays on Joaquin Phoenix's face for about 2 mins as he watches anxiously as Mel Gibson tries to help his son...it's brilliant. No other word for it. Me and a good friend of mine both rant and rave about this, haha. Probably 8/10 for me, bordering on 9. i love signs, even if the ending is nonesense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fierce_LiNk Posted June 6, 2009 Share Posted June 6, 2009 i love signs, even if the ending is nonesense. The ending makes eeet. Well, makes it even better, heh. There is a certain sense of proudness that I felt when Mel Gibson "believed" again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwarf Posted June 6, 2009 Share Posted June 6, 2009 I've also seen the three Terminator films this week, and should be seeing Salvation tomorrow. The Terminator One of my favourite films of all time, if not the favourite. Michael Biehn probably gives the best performance of his life as Kyle Reese. Such a well written character, and Biehn does justice to his role. You actually could mistake him for a delusional or paranoid stalker, but equally you could believe he is from the future. That scene in the police station when he's being interviewed, I've got huge respect for that. And also, THAT speech. "That Terminator is out there. It can't be bargained with, it's can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity. Or remorse. Or fear. And it absolutely will not stop. Ever. Until you are dead." Whoever wrote that is a God. My favourite speech in any film. Perfect 10/10. Yeah I only watched it the other day and found it amazing. The effects didn't matter too much, it was still tense and just brilliant. Great example of how old films can still hold up well. And I guess it wouldn't be quite as good if they made the terminator too human. Arnie's wooden acting lended itself to the first film nicely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris the great Posted June 6, 2009 Share Posted June 6, 2009 The ending makes eeet. Well, makes it even better, heh. There is a certain sense of proudness that I felt when Mel Gibson "believed" again. old jew hater finding christ again was nice, but i was refering to why in the name of fuck would aliens who are killed by water take creatures who are 1/3 water? also, why do they take them? they dont eat em (they are vegitarian) and i cant see anything to gain from em. my fave bit is when you can hear them moving around the house near the end. really creepy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wesley Posted June 6, 2009 Share Posted June 6, 2009 Signs? http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=signs Spoiler in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fierce_LiNk Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 Yeah I only watched it the other day and found it amazing. The effects didn't matter too much, it was still tense and just brilliant. Great example of how old films can still hold up well.And I guess it wouldn't be quite as good if they made the terminator too human. Arnie's wooden acting lended itself to the first film nicely. The best thing about Arnie in the first film is that he actually feels quite menacing. He plays the role of the villain so, so well. Why wasn't he given more roles like that after this? He has played so many heroes, but only a handful of villains. It's a great shame. Seriously, it's a great film, and I'm happy that you managed to see it recently. I would love to go back in time and re-live myself watching it for the first time. You are so lucky. old jew hater finding christ again was nice, but i was refering to why in the name of fuck would aliens who are killed by water take creatures who are 1/3 water? also, why do they take them? they dont eat em (they are vegitarian) and i cant see anything to gain from em. my fave bit is when you can hear them moving around the house near the end. really creepy. Haha! I've seen that point raised quite a few times and there really isn't an answer given to it. It's either a very huuuuge oversight by the director, or we were just never meant to know. The only thing I could suggest is maybe: Maybe we were the closest living beings within reach for the aliens. It could also be explained with the manner in which they invaded the planet. It was all done rather covertly and carefully. Maybe because of that danger, that is why they had to be so careful? Remember when the ships appeared, and then disappeared but were still there? It's just one idea. But yeah, they couldn't have picked a worse planet to invade. A planet with water and Mel Gibson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coolness Bears Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 Tropic Thunder It was good. I expected to laugh more so in that respect I was disappointed. There was some moments I laughed but other times the comedy felt lost. Tom Cruise was Pro in it however. (though he didn't have much time on screen) It felt as if they thought it was a lot cleverer than it actually was as well. It was a good cast and I loved how it ended though I did want someones hands to get blown off that would have made it excellent. 4 and a half Bears out of 7. Hunchback of Notre Dame Woah I haven't watched this since I was about 7 or 8. What a fantastic film. Ruined slightly by the gargoles to aim it more towards the children I guess? Usually I love this quirky characters but they felt out of place here in an otherwise serious tale. The main villian Frollo is brilliant. I love his motives for his evil are different from gaining power because he already has oodles of it. This gives the film time to concentrate in a different direction. It is a much darker story than I remember as a child which got me thinking that this stuff goes over childrens heads. What I'm trying to say is we should make childrens films darker again! :p They are too namby pamby these days. Also the song Frollo sings is like fire...HELLFIRE! Excellent. I haven't even talked about Esmeralda, Quasimodo, Phoebus and the Bells of Notre Dame song! 5 Bears out of 7! Hounddog Great film I felt. Some of it was uncomfortable to sit through but that made it impact harder and the turning point in the story made a dark contrast between what had happened previously and how the character felt now. Dakota Fannings performance was excellent. I think the handling of the church was a tad heavy handed..it was like okay I get you don't like the church! move on. :p That hardly hindered the movies efforts however. I enjoyed the characters and I like how the story moved lazily on like an endless afternoon. There was some back story that could have been explained or explored better but I don't mind open endedness. The film is fairly depressing throughout as it shows the life of this particularly broken family. 6 Bears out of 7. The Girlfriend Experience I like films that don't particularly go anywhere until right at the end. The ending of this film was amazing in my eyes as it makes what you see previously hit home a lot harder. Steven Soderbergh can either be a hit with me but I very much enjoyed what he put on display this time. A whole host of nasty, self obessed characters as it focused on an escort and the economic climate around us. The films focus is not about paying money for sex. It's about paying money for that real intimacy a lot of people in life just don't get. Even if they have a loving wife and kids. In the film it feels as if Escorting is glamourised for a while but as the story unravels you know what trauma's she has to face. Also found out on IMDB that it's a pornstar in that role. She did a good job. (and not the kind she is probably used to ) 5 and a half Bears out of 7. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris the great Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 yeah, i watched the hunchback the outher weekend (weekends are now my kids film time, was bethoven this week) and loved the hellfire song. it was ace! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EEVILMURRAY Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 seriosuly though, dyslexia and all that. For some reason I don't remember your spelling being this bad when I joined. However I do think you're milking it by being lazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris the great Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 For some reason I don't remember your spelling being this bad when I joined. However I do think you're milking it by being lazy. i'll put it down to a combination of not having had to seriosuly write as much over the last year and not bothering to proof read my posts. the way i see it is that unless i make a collosal cock up, the point of my post should still be obvious, which really is the big picture. its kinda like having a go at steven hawkins for talking in a funny voice, ignoring what he actualy says. only you know, without the genious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paj! Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 I was diagnosed as having a dyslexic profile though, and mine aren't bad. Although I think it's a strange variation of the norm, as I'm shit as a sciene/maths, and good at english. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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