Sheikah Posted May 21, 2019 Posted May 21, 2019 It is "well duh" because there is no way that in 2020 Sony and Microsoft would totally and utterly cripple themselves by releasing streaming-only consoles. It would just be idiotic, and makes no sense, for many reasons. In a decade when online infrastructure around the world has caught up, sure maybe, next year? No way. And I'd be very surprised if anyone genuinely thought Stadia meant Xbox 2 and PS5 would be streaming only. You could just as easily argue that in 2013 there is no way a home console would release without the ability to play used games AND require an internet connection (the latter being necessary for streaming also; you shot down the idea of an internet-only console in 2020 and it basically already existed in 2013!). And you could reason that if a console DID launch in 2013 with those features I mentioned missing that there would be outrage and mass shift to the competitor unless the features were added in. And then you realise, that actually, all those things happened! Do you see how what you're arguing - fundamentally something that won't fly with the customer - actually DID happen at the start of the current generation? You say "well, duh" but the "well duh" doesn't always happen! There are other instances of truly bizarre, non-business sense (in the long run), greed-motivated instances of things happening in the past, so this is by no means the most farfetched.
drahkon Posted May 21, 2019 Posted May 21, 2019 Sooo...we all agree that more options are good for us? Yay?
Ronnie Posted May 21, 2019 Posted May 21, 2019 (edited) 36 minutes ago, Sheikah said: You could just as easily argue that in 2013 there is no way a home console would release without the ability to play used games AND require an internet connection (the latter being necessary for streaming also; you shot down the idea of an internet-only console in 2020 and it basically already existed in 2013!). And you could reason that if a console DID launch in 2013 with those features I mentioned missing that there would be outrage and mass shift to the competitor unless the features were added in. And then you realise, that actually, all those things happened! Do you see how what you're arguing - fundamentally something that won't fly with the customer - actually DID happen at the start of the current generation? You say "well, duh" but the "well duh" doesn't always happen! There are other instances of truly bizarre, non-business sense (in the long run), greed-motivated instances of things happening in the past, so this is by no means the most farfetched. Nothing you mention there is on the same level of implausbility as a home console being streaming only. It's not even within the realm of possibility at this point in time. Hence the well duh, of course the next Playstation is going to play discs. DRM and needing an internet connection are totally plausible decisions these companies could have made, but no retail games at all from next year? That was NEVER going to happen. Edited May 21, 2019 by Ronnie
Sheikah Posted May 21, 2019 Posted May 21, 2019 Nothing you mention there is on the same level of implausbility as a home console being streaming only. It's not even within the realm of possibility at this point in time. Hence the well duh, of course the next Playstation is going to play discs. DRM and needing an internet connection are totally plausible decisions these companies could have made, but no retail games at all from next year? That was NEVER going to happen. First off, something on a colossally stupid/implausible level already DID happen with Microsoft, hence why they had to reverse all the policies (yet much or the damage was already done). You're arguing that something is stupid/implausible as a means to say it's obvious it won't be done, when something now PROVEN to be stupid has already been done, just this generation. Second, there's the PSP Go and the discless Xbox One S - online-only consoles. Existing alongside physical solutions yes, but bear with me. The PSP Go was released in 2009 - so even 10 years ago these manufacturers saw the benefit of an online-only console. Fast forward 10 years from the PSP Go release date and you now see video game retailers on the high street massively struggling and so having much less importance in the eyes of the manufacturer, in terms of needing to keep them on side. Also, if Sony and Microsoft both went digital only, while they'd lose people with shitty internet connections, on the other hand they would have total market control (setting their own prices) and no money loss due to used game sales - so gaining money that way. The way most games need patching today anyway, it wouldn't surprise me if enough people had good enough internet for them to at least consider it. I still think it's a dumb idea. But the point is...dumb ideas happen all the time. Nintendo for instance, think the idea of using your mobile phone as a gateway to voice chat is a good idea. As I say, strange shit does happen. We should be thankful when good things are announced, and I'm personally not taking anything for granted these days.
Ronnie Posted May 21, 2019 Posted May 21, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Sheikah said: First off, something on a colossally stupid level already DID happen with Microsoft, hence why they had to reverse all the policies (yet much or the damage was already done). You're arguing that something is stupid/implausible as a means to say it's obvious it won't be done, when something now PROVEN to be stupid has already been done, just this generation. DRM/not being able to play used games = stupid + plausible Not being able to own your own games in 2020 = catastrophic + utterly implausible. Strange shit does happen. Playstation 5 being streaming-only is in the next universe to strange. Edited May 21, 2019 by Ronnie
Sheikah Posted May 22, 2019 Posted May 22, 2019 DRM/not being able to play used games = stupid + plausible Not being able to own your own games in 2020 = catastrophic + utterly implausible. Strange shit does happen. Playstation 5 being streaming-only is in the next universe to strange. If it's stupid why is it plausible? Especially if they had no fucking clue whether their competitor was also doing it? (they weren't). Microsoft crucified themselves over it - it makes you think if they even did any market research to see whether people cared about the things they were implementing. Which to me, makes the whole proposition very implausible indeed. But hey, it happened. Also, your point of "not being able to own your own games in 2020" - let's get real here. Steam and Epic are already doing that - you don't own the games. Everything suggests the majority of people will sacrifice 'true' ownership for convenience and price. Just look at Netflix, too. No, this is entirely a conversation about internet connection, not ownership.
Nolan Posted May 24, 2019 Posted May 24, 2019 Received an email today from Sony informing me that I’ve been invited to the closed Alpha. Came with a code, anyone interested in my code? I don’t plan to use it. Crossposting in Nioh 2 thread. 1
DriftKaiser Posted May 26, 2019 Posted May 26, 2019 I think Sony will use PS5 as a step-stone to improve their streaming infrastructure with the help of Microsoft Azure Cloud. We really need a new technology breakthrough towards gaming experience before 2030s. Maybe VR/AR like Ready Player One/Sword Art Online.
Kaepora_Gaebora Posted May 28, 2019 Posted May 28, 2019 PlayStation noob question; if I buy an online subscription (the PS version of Gold, Network is it?) Can more than one person use it on the same PlayStation?
Hero-of-Time Posted May 28, 2019 Posted May 28, 2019 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Kaepora_Gaebora said: PlayStation noob question; if I buy an online subscription (the PS version of Gold, Network is it?) Can more than one person use it on the same PlayStation? According to this you can. Quote Sony's lagging behind with PlayStation Plus options for families, but there are still benefits that multiple users can get under one membership. As long as the PS4 is set as the primary console for whichever account subscribes to PlayStation Plus, other PSN accounts on the same console can play online multiplayer, play downloaded games purchased with a PSN discount, and play the free monthly games available to PS Plus members. What other accounts cannot do is use the PS Plus discount for themselves to take advantage of savings when purchasing games, access online game save storage, enable auto patch downloads, or access exclusive early game trials for PS Plus members. https://www.androidcentral.com/how-manage-multiple-accounts-your-playstation-4 I've no idea how accurate that is though. I always thought it was account specific. Edited May 28, 2019 by Hero-of-Time 1
Hero-of-Time Posted May 30, 2019 Posted May 30, 2019 I played the hell out of the original on the 360. It was such a good game in co-op. 1 1
Fierce_LiNk Posted May 30, 2019 Posted May 30, 2019 3 hours ago, Hero-of-Time said: I played the hell out of the original on the 360. It was such a good game in co-op. Seriously looking forward to it. Didn't play this last generation, so mega excited. I hear that this is basically the third film. Corrrreeeeecccttttt?
Happenstance Posted May 30, 2019 Posted May 30, 2019 Don’t remember the story at all but I think I liked that Ghostbusters game. Haven’t played it since it’s original launch so I might get the remastered version.
Ike Posted May 30, 2019 Posted May 30, 2019 37 minutes ago, Fierce_LiNk said: Seriously looking forward to it. Didn't play this last generation, so mega excited. I hear that this is basically the third film. Corrrreeeeecccttttt? Correct. 1
Shorty Posted May 31, 2019 Posted May 31, 2019 I wonder if they'll remaster Bill Murray's phoned in performance.
Hero-of-Time Posted June 7, 2019 Posted June 7, 2019 A couple of cool looking indie game trailers have hit the PS Youtube channel. 2
DriftKaiser Posted June 8, 2019 Posted June 8, 2019 Some of us might make a return to Destiny 2 after a long absence. 😶 Hopefully the Shadowkeep is good enough to keep us semi-active on it.
drahkon Posted June 28, 2019 Posted June 28, 2019 Bought Stellaris: Console Edition today (the Deluxe version is currently on sale for 40 bucks). I was craving a 4X game and this was supposed to be very good (despite being miles behind the PC version). Well...45 minutes in and there is so much to learn, but hey...that's 4X for you I can see myself spending a lot of time with this.
drahkon Posted June 29, 2019 Posted June 29, 2019 17 hours ago, drahkon said: I can see myself spending a lot of time with this. Already did...played this for 5 hours straight last night. Met one other civilization and they are not friendly. They immediately closed their borders and told me to watch what I do...alright. I'll try to establish a trade deal with them and not stir up any conflicts. I may, however, want to increase my military power...just in case. There's so much to handle, it's crazy. I haven't even laid a finger on half of the mechanics. This is exactly what I wanted out of the game and I got it.
Hero-of-Time Posted June 29, 2019 Posted June 29, 2019 I've no idea what game you are on about, @drahkon but I'm happy that you're happy. 1
Kav Posted July 3, 2019 Posted July 3, 2019 (edited) Picked up a Mayflash Magic-S wireless adapter so I can use my Switch Pro Controller on the PS4. Works a dream and makes my gaming experience on the PS4 much more enjoyable... I’m no longer cursing at the thumbsticks! On a side-note, Mayflash gave excellent Customer Service on this: Edited July 3, 2019 by Kav 2
drahkon Posted July 24, 2019 Posted July 24, 2019 If anybody is interested: sign-ups for the Black Desert beta are available: https://www.console.playblackdesert.com/intro/ps_pre?utm_source=pr&utm_medium=pr#register It's an MMORPG coming to PS4 late August.
Hero-of-Time Posted July 30, 2019 Posted July 30, 2019 The beast has finally achieved it. Be the quickest home console to reach 100 million units sold. Platinum unlocked. 2 1
drahkon Posted July 30, 2019 Posted July 30, 2019 Very impressive It won't hit PS2 numbers, I reckon because sales will slow down once the PS5 is announced/hits the shelves. Or maybe the PS4 will get another price cut and continues to sell like hot cakes.
Shorty Posted July 31, 2019 Posted July 31, 2019 Don't be so sure, the people buying brand new PS5s within the first 6 months are probably not those that have the heaviest affect on figures. You can see on that graph most have shallow starts then plenty of jumps later on at holidays etc. When the PS5 comes out the PS4 will drop in price and become an option for many thousands of new households and young new gamers. 1 2
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