Blackfox Posted April 2, 2007 Share Posted April 2, 2007 Time for a serious thread. We haven't had on in a while, and they are a bit more stimulating to the brain! Here I was today listening to Jeremy Vine in the car today. It got me thinking two things: 1) He's pretty good, I should tune into him more. 2) Should Scotland be allowed dependance? The latter thought consumed more of my time. Wales has recently scrapped prescription charges to which my un-educated countrymen commented on how "Its unfair that Wales takes all of England's money" - which is false. Now, Wales doesnt take much of England's money at all - infact the money they get to spend at the Welsh Parliament (I think) is pretty in proportion. And then they rabbited on about independence.. The SNP want to get Scotland out of the Union and totally independant. I agree with this. Why? Well, according yo my medical economics lectures, (the ones I stay awake in) the Scottish NHS gets 125% of every pound the Scottish Goverment take in tax - whereas English NHS get 75% of every pound that Westminister takes. Fair? No. Therefore, I say let Scotland be independant - we'll have a better NHS! Less of a GDP - but hey, industry in Scotland isn't exactly booming! So what are your thoughts? Freeeeeedoooom! or not? Sorry if this is too taxing for the brain at this late hour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The fish Posted April 2, 2007 Share Posted April 2, 2007 In my opinion, Scotland will become independent within the next 20 years, because the English and Welsh, not the Scots, demand it. The reason? Simple: Scotland uses the most money per-head on health care, social work, and similar, due to having more smokers and unemployed people/people without much in the way of prospects. The rest of the UK is paying for that, so they want Scotland to become independent and stop being a leech. I'm not saying the Scots don't want it and wont demand it, though... Therefore, I say let Scotland be independant - we'll have a better NHS! This can also be achieved by making pretty much everyone in NHS management redundant and employing about a third the amount of people employed in that sector as there currently is. The problem is that the management employs more management staff. When they realise they need to make job cuts to the NHS staff for financial reasons, they don't fire people in management who are like them, they fire nurses instead. Nice. Also, we could save around £12 billion (probably more now) by having some people with slightly more than 35 IQ points create the NHS patient information network. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarka Posted April 2, 2007 Share Posted April 2, 2007 I think that anyone Scottish person who wants independents is a complete idiot. We benefit so much from it, money, connections, trade etc. Economically we need this link. From an English perspective though, you should throw us dirty Scots out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zell Posted April 2, 2007 Share Posted April 2, 2007 Whatever happenned to a united Britain? Seriously, England and Scotland have been through so much together in the last 300 years, it seems poppycock to end it for no good reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodleman Posted April 2, 2007 Share Posted April 2, 2007 Aren't all the oil rigs in the North Sea on Scottish water? If so it will never happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmac Posted April 3, 2007 Share Posted April 3, 2007 Aren't all the oil rigs in the North Sea on Scottish water? If so it will never happen. Bingo we've got your Oil money, so guess if we go independent we'll have George W pointing his guns at us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Letty Posted April 3, 2007 Share Posted April 3, 2007 Aren't all the oil rigs in the North Sea on Scottish water? If so it will never happen. I guess we'll get independance once the oil runs out then... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cube Posted April 3, 2007 Share Posted April 3, 2007 The Welsh Assembly is a waste of money. I mean, two new expensive buildings for no reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jordan Posted April 3, 2007 Share Posted April 3, 2007 How long have we been a "united" Kingdom? I mean... why split now of all times when if anything we need to be unified rather than seperated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaijin von Snikbah Posted April 3, 2007 Share Posted April 3, 2007 I had this idea that smaller countries seem better at taking care of them selves. Maybe there is some truth to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apple_NdiB Posted April 3, 2007 Share Posted April 3, 2007 How long have we been a "united" Kingdom? I mean... why split now of all times when if anything we need to be unified rather than seperated. Damn straight, whatever happened to this world getting smaller? It's dressed-up xenophobia, ancient grudges interfering with the UK's chances of becoming a more tolerant, outward looking place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roostophe Posted April 3, 2007 Share Posted April 3, 2007 I suppose people have probably forgotten just how hand in hand England and Scotland go. Both countries couldn't work without each other, England need Scotland as much as Scotland needs England. Same goes to Wales. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haver Posted April 3, 2007 Share Posted April 3, 2007 Did Viceroy Nute Gunray put you up to this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shorty Posted April 3, 2007 Share Posted April 3, 2007 *typo in title was annoying me* So er... yeah. I don't really have an opinion on this. The way this world moves, I can't imagine much would change anyway. I'm all for anything that improves NHS services though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Peeps Posted April 3, 2007 Share Posted April 3, 2007 I don't see why scotland or wales needs to become independant, I don't think it would make that much of a difference. Our countries have been united for so long so why end it now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksnowman Posted April 3, 2007 Share Posted April 3, 2007 Here, lets catch a grip now. Before you know it you'll be looking to cut Northern Ireland loose and feed us to Bertie Ahern, gulp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fierce_LiNk Posted April 3, 2007 Share Posted April 3, 2007 I've always seen Wales and Scotland as countries in their own right, so hmm. But, this thread seems more orientated towards Scottish independence. You can't really "force" another country to be independent, can you? "oi, we're sick of yo leechin', bugger off." Scotland should want it, but if they're enjoying the position they're currently in, why in hell would they want to become independent? So, maybe it then should be forced? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monopolyman Posted April 3, 2007 Share Posted April 3, 2007 Well, I don't know too much about this, so I could be talking shit here, but if Scotland were to get independence, it's going to be reletively poor, so it's going to have to leech alot of money off the EU, meaning the government are going to have to give more money to the EU, or EU expendature is going to become more diverse to cater for Scotland. Considering most of the us arn't fans of the EU now, Scotland becoming independant is really going to piss off the new UK. So to answer the topic question, probably not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCK Posted April 3, 2007 Share Posted April 3, 2007 Why would you want it anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shino Posted April 3, 2007 Share Posted April 3, 2007 What a deluded vision of the world, no country is better alone. No wonder you Brits give so much trouble to EU fellow members, you can't even decide if you're a nation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoogleViper Posted April 3, 2007 Share Posted April 3, 2007 I heard that we would be really poor without Scotland seeing as they would own all of the oil in the North Sea. Anybody know if this is true? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haver Posted April 3, 2007 Share Posted April 3, 2007 Would this increase taxes on Angus beef? Because I love Angus beef. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The fish Posted April 3, 2007 Share Posted April 3, 2007 What a deluded vision of the world, no country is better alone. No wonder you Brits give so much trouble to EU fellow members, you can't even decide if you're a nation. How the hell do we give other EU members trouble? In fact, a lot of the poorer members give us trouble (in a way), as we get loads of immigrants. To be fare, most of them give a lot back to the country and do jobs better than the natives. Polish plumbers and builders are a perfect example of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shino Posted April 3, 2007 Share Posted April 3, 2007 How the hell do we give other EU members trouble? In fact, a lot of the poorer members give us trouble (in a way), as we get loads of immigrants. To be fare, most of them give a lot back to the country and do jobs better than the natives. Polish plumbers and builders are a perfect example of this. By being the most Eurosceptic country. Thankfully your government understands the importance of being part of the EU. As for the immigrants, supposedly UK natives had a better education and conditions and should be able to get a job (I know this isn't exactly true), I also doubt that your immigrant problems comes from within the EU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slaggis Posted April 4, 2007 Share Posted April 4, 2007 why did this whole argument even start in the first place? whats wrong with being part of great britain? Do the scottish think there's something wrong with us? i have only been to one place in scotland, glasgow, as soon as i arrived there i turned round and went home, it was a dump. (though this was about 5 years ago now so its probably improved lol) (please dont take offence any scottish people, its 2am and i cant sleep lol) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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