Let's talk about this place.

[nekunando]

It's kinda quiet on that front in the Nintendo Boards now (at least I feel like it is)

 

It has definitely been pretty dead in here this week but a large part of that is down to there probably being very few games to talk about at the moment

[drahkon]

It has definitely been pretty dead in here this week but a large part of that is down to there probably being very few games to talk about at the moment

 

So nothing new then :p

[Rummy]

99% agree. If a member is permanently banned it should be with good cause.

But the 1% disagreement is that people DO change. It is rare, and unlikely to happen though. I would be surprised to see Wii grace these boards again. I do think it is a shame though, I have noticed a big difference since he left.

Some may be people behaving themselves, seeing that just because they contribute doesn't make them above the rules.

Some may be that a significant contributor is no longer able to... so things are that much quieter/less interesting. It is after all the number of different voices that make a forum what it is.

 

This is just one of a few posts here that echo my own sentiments on why I wasn't keen on full-on forum bans - partly the idea of tougher moderation led to his ban in giving him his final red, but the other two were before this - so it's actually an unfortunate coincidence with all of this.

As for reversal of bans - it's been letup on before. There's actually a couple members here who were previously posters under other guises - they lost their original name/accounts however.

[bob]

Who!? ¬_¬ °~°

[Agent Gibbs]

to try and mitigate the misgivings on permanent bans could we not do a tiered system on bans?

 

Say 3 reds you get a week/month ban

come back and get another infraction in say 6 months (red or yellow) and its a permanent ban?

Obviously if the offence warrants it then a permanent ban should be applied from the get go, and all infractions should have a 1 year time limit on them, unless overridden for a serious offence (since someone mentioned you have to currently specify the length)

I only think that because surely if a permanent infraction has been left for a minor offence, it could years down the line cause issues? imagine if you were a member here for 20 years and over that 20 years got three reds (because they were left as permanent) it seems a little unfair at first glance

[Serebii]

We do it on a point scale from infractions over at my forums

 

1. Foul Language - 1 point

Warning? Yes - Extend? Yes

 

2. Abusing Smilies - 3 points

Warning? Yes - Extend? Yes

 

3. Advertising - 3 points

Warning? Yes - Extend? Yes

 

4. Asking for/offering forbidden/hacked Pokemon - 3 points

Warning? Yes - Extend? Yes

 

5. Bumping Topics - 3 points

Warning? Yes - Extend? Yes

 

6. Discussing Cheat Codes/Devices - 3 points

Warning? Yes - Extend? Yes

 

7. Disobeying the Rules of a specific sub-forum - 3 points

Warning? Yes - Extend? Yes

 

8. Double Posting - 3 points

Warning? Yes - Extend? Yes

 

9. Mini-Modding - 3 points

Warning? Yes - Extend? Yes

 

Mild Signature Infraction - 3 points

Warning? Yes - Extend? Yes

 

10. Replying to spam - 3 points

Warning? Yes - Extend? Yes

 

11. Sending Chain PMs - 3 points

Warning? Yes - Extend? Yes

 

12. Sending Unsolicited PMs - 3 points

Warning? Yes - Extend? Yes

 

13. Spamming - 3 points

Warning? Yes - Extend? Yes

 

14. Triple Posting - 4 points

Warning? Yes - Extend? Yes

 

15. Abusing Image Macros - 5 points

Warning? Yes - Extend? Yes

 

16. Discussing Illegal Content - 5 points

Warning? Yes - Extend? Yes

 

17. Flaming/Insulting Other People - 5 points

Warning? Yes - Extend? Yes

 

18. Harassing Others - 5 points

Warning? Yes - Extend? Yes

 

Inappropriate Posting - 5 points (lasts 90 days)

Warning? Yes - Extend? Yes

 

Moderate Signature Infraction - 5 points (lasts 90 days)

Warning? Yes - Extend? Yes

 

Openly Complaining about Infractions/Punishment - 5 points

Warning? Yes - Extend? Yes

 

19. Outward Prejudice - 5 points (lasts 90 days)

Warning? Yes - Extend? Yes

 

20. Posting with intent to annoy others - 5 points

Warning? Yes - Extend? Yes

 

21. Quadruple Posting - 5 points

Warning? Yes - Extend? Yes

 

22. Reputation Abuse - 5 points

Warning? Yes - Extend? Yes

 

23. Continuously disobeying the Rules of a specific sub-forum - 6 points

Warning? No - Extend? Yes

 

24. Quintuple Posting - 6 points

Warning? Yes - Extend? Yes

 

Heavy Signature Infraction - 10 points (lasts 180 days)

Warning? Yes - Extend? Yes

 

25. Making an Alternate Account While Unbanned - 10 points (lasts 90 days)

Warning? No - Extend? Yes

 

26. Posting more than 5 times in a row - 10 points

Warning? Yes - Extend? Yes

 

27. Trolling - 10 points (lasts 90 days)

Warning? No - Extend? Yes

 

28. Unintentional Plagiarism - 10 points

Warning? Yes - Extend? Yes

 

Explicit Posting - 20 points (lasts 90 days)

Warning? Yes - Extend? Yes

 

Posting Malicious Links - 20 points (lasts 90 days)

Warning? Yes - Extend? Yes

 

29. Providing Links to Illegal Content - 40 points (lasts 90 days)

Warning? No - Extend? Yes

 

30. Intentional Plagiarism - 40 points (lasts 90 days)

Warning? No - Extend? Yes

 

31. Posting Porn or other explicit material - 70 points (never expires)

Warning? No - Extend? No

 

32. Advertisement Bot - 130 points (never expires) (this is only for actual adbots, and normal users will never see this infraction)

Warning? No - Extend? No

 

33. Evading Ban - 130 points

Warning? No - Extend? No

 

34. Giving your account details to a Banned user - 130 points

Warning? No - Extend? No

 

As for what the points actually do, these are the point requirements for bans:

15 points - 1 week ban

30 points - 2 week ban

45 points - 1 month ban

60 points - 2 month ban

75 points - 3 month ban

90 points - 6 month ban

110 points - 1 year ban

130 points - permanent ban

 

So maybe something like that using a points system rather than 3 reds and you're out is logical. It's all done based on the weight of the infraction and as infractions can expire, you'd have to do a lot of bad shit to get permabanned.

[Sheikah]

to try and mitigate the misgivings on permanent bans could we not do a tiered system on bans?

 

Say 3 reds you get a week/month ban

come back and get another infraction in say 6 months (red or yellow) and its a permanent ban?

Obviously if the offence warrants it then a permanent ban should be applied from the get go, and all infractions should have a 1 year time limit on them, unless overridden for a serious offence (since someone mentioned you have to currently specify the length)

I only think that because surely if a permanent infraction has been left for a minor offence, it could years down the line cause issues? imagine if you were a member here for 20 years and over that 20 years got three reds (because they were left as permanent) it seems a little unfair at first glance

 

I'm inclined to agree. The general feeling here seems to be that the ban is in place because it 'should' be on account of the existing rule structure, rather than any of us feeling like he should actually be permanently banned. When rules don't seem to be punishing people to a level that feels right then I don't think it's inappropriate to have another look at them.

 

A short ban gives people the chance to change; if they don't change then you can permanently ban them. If this was a forum with incredible numbers of visitors like neogaf then permanent bans before temporary ones might make more sense. As it stands though, I think a month ban would be more appropriate, followed by a permanent ban if he reoffended.

[Agent Gibbs]

I suppose membership itself is another issue, how can we increase membership?

[Happenstance]

I suppose membership itself is another issue, how can we increase membership?

 

Get Nintendo to have a more popular console :p

[Serebii]

Get Nintendo to have a more popular console :p

[Rummy]

to try and mitigate the misgivings on permanent bans could we not do a tiered system on bans?

 

Say 3 reds you get a week/month ban

come back and get another infraction in say 6 months (red or yellow) and its a permanent ban?

Obviously if the offence warrants it then a permanent ban should be applied from the get go, and all infractions should have a 1 year time limit on them, unless overridden for a serious offence (since someone mentioned you have to currently specify the length)

I only think that because surely if a permanent infraction has been left for a minor offence, it could years down the line cause issues? imagine if you were a member here for 20 years and over that 20 years got three reds (because they were left as permanent) it seems a little unfair at first glance

 

Interesting to see it coming up here as it's something that is actually already being considered (albeit not my doing)! So we're on the ball, just...not quite on the ball with being on the ball :p

 

I suppose membership itself is another issue, how can we increase membership?

 

An ever tough to answer question. I know there was a few people along the years who got put off by certain things that happened on occasion - I'm wondering that if there is a positive outcome in the atmosphere of this place following this whether it'll have a good effect. We get the occasional new member from time to time though(Glen-I and Kounan spring to mind as recent additions down here).

Edited July 9, 2015 by Rummy

[Rob3008]

Has Wii been banned?

[Retro_Link]

Yep, he has.

[somme]

Is he banned for all times?

[Nolan]

Is he banned for all times?

 

Coming up on 2 months now. So it seems like it.

[Hero-of-Time]

Is he banned for all times?

 

I hope not. He used to post news ( both good and bad ) which created talking points for what little community enters the Nintendo section. His presence has certainly been missed by me.

[Serebii]

I hope not. He used to post news ( both good and bad ) which created talking points for what little community enters the Nintendo section. His presence has certainly been missed by me.

I've been trying to pick up the slack, but unfortunately there hasn't been much news of late.

[Hero-of-Time]

I've been trying to pick up the slack, but unfortunately there hasn't been much news of late.

 

It ain't the same. I know Wii would never try spin stuff and would be quite blunt when it came to speaking about Nintendo. He had no issues posting stuff about Nintendo that showed them in a negative light, which often led to some good discussions.

 

To be fair, there have been a few bits and bobs I could have posted, but given the way I feel about Nintendo at the moment, I simply can't be chewed.

[Serebii]

It ain't the same. I know Wii would never try spin stuff and would be quite blunt when it came to speaking about Nintendo. He had no issues posting stuff about Nintendo that showed them in a negative light, which often led to some good discussions.

 

To be fair, there have been a few bits and bobs I could have posted, but given the way I feel about Nintendo at the moment, I simply can't be chewed.

True, but conversely the amount of arguments has dropped significantly since his ban. There have been a couple, granted, and I stupidly took one too far, but there has been less hostility here since he got banned.

 

He brought negativity as much as he brought activity.

 

I'll try and post more news, and not spin stuff.

[Pestneb]

I've been trying to pick up the slack, but unfortunately there hasn't been much news of late.

 

He seemed to find a few bits others wouldn't.

Tbh the guy did go on my block list for a while when he was going through a trolling stage, but once he got (mostly) past that I did like the news posts he had found.

 

 

If he does come back though... is it possible for mods to ban a user from seeing other users threads? even removing the "view this post" option?

Obviously such a move would need to be carefully considered (if it is possible) but I think if 5 individuals had that option applied (some one way, others two way) then even a short cooling period might work better than a full on ban?

 

In Wii's specific case I the only times I found his posts to be a bit of a nuisance where when interaction happened between him and a couple of other users. A warning, final warning and then implementation of an enforced block list would have fixed things... I get the impression not only for the regular users, but also those directly involved, as they only seemed to wind each other up.

That way the positive contributions could continue... The community wouldn't have to endure the cat fights, and the individuals who just can't use the block list (or have to suffer for another failing to use it) benefit from it's correct use...

[Hero-of-Time]

True, but conversely the amount of arguments has dropped significantly since his ban. There have been a couple, granted, and I stupidly took one too far, but there has been less hostility here since he got banned.

 

Probably because there's nobody posting such news now. Coupled with the fact that the activity on this part of the forum has died down due to the lack of games to actually play on the consoles.

 

In Wii's specific case I the only times I found his posts to be a bit of a nuisance where when interaction happened between him and a couple of other users. A warning, final warning and then implementation of an enforced block list would have fixed things... I get the impression not only for the regular users, but also those directly involved, as they only seemed to wind each other up.

That way the positive contributions could continue... The community wouldn't have to endure the cat fights, and the individuals who just can't use the block list (or have to suffer for another failing to use it) benefit from it's correct use...

 

This was a bit issue for me. Certain members simply weren't getting along and as such should have just been ignoring each other. Instead they would constantly be at each others throats or you would get one person ignoring them but the other wouldn't and would continue to bait.

 

A forced implementation of the blocking system would have been a better way to do things in my eyes and if they refused or kept on baiting then infractions could be handed out.

[Rummy]

Happy to see there's no attribution of change to moderation

 

The thing with Wii was - he did get infracted for his behaviour. His ban was simply for unfortunately getting his 3rd red warning - it's always been 3 reds=ban. It's a shame he had to be(and I didn't see it coming myself) - but one thing that seemed to come out of this thread was the general lack of moderation; so putting anyone above the rules(contribution does not count, sadly) means the system falls apart all over again.

 

I agree a forced blocking system would have been good, but I don't think it was possible. Tbh it's sad given most if not all of us are grown adults that some would refuse to voluntarily undertake it. Though I am also aware of the flaws of the ignore system too, it's something that at least goes halfway.

 

Speaking of moderation, a change to the system was being considered and may be similar to as follows. Everything is always still up to the moderation team's discretion, so it isn't concrete, but it might form a basis of infraction/punitive measures going forward;

 

Threads

A yellow infraction and 'Thread ban warning'

If behaviour doesn't improve/repeats, one week ban from thread

If behaviour continues after return, permanent ban from thread

 

General

Three thread bans in six months = 1 red

3 reds = temporary ban

Further infraction after return = permanent ban

 

For any friends of Wii(or himself, if reading) I wouldn't get excited though - these won't be applied retrospectively if they go forward.

[Hero-of-Time]

@Rummy is it possible for a user to ask for a ban and then have it lifted at a specific time?

[Rummy]

@Rummy is it possible for a user to ask for a ban and then have it lifted at a specific time?

 

Yeah I don't see why not but that's something for the admins. In fact I'm almost certain this has been done in the past, no? Before my time as a mod but I'm sure someone did it here?

[Agent Gibbs]

with the Wii situation could he come back under a different user name once the changes are implemented? just thinking out loud because i have noticed the drop in nintendo news

but also a drop in arguments and bad atmosphere