Hero-of-Time Posted February 21, 2013 Posted February 21, 2013 People who're saying 'oh it's just better graphics' can leave the room. What are you actually demanding? What concrete ideas do you have? It would take a virtual reality controller or something ridiculous to keep you quiet. The features that Gakai and PSN are offering are plentiful and fantastic and are not to be glossed over. This. Although i'm personally happy with the visuals that were being shown last night, the features of the PS4 sound simply amazing.
not_so_tiny Posted February 21, 2013 Posted February 21, 2013 People who're saying 'oh it's just better graphics' can leave the room. What are you actually demanding? What concrete ideas do you have? It would take a virtual reality controller or something ridiculous to keep you quiet. The features that Gakai and PSN are offering are plentiful and fantastic and are not to be glossed over. Also worth considering is the improvement in the graphics and physics engines over the life-cycle. The differences between the original Uncharted and Uncharted 3 were plain to see. It takes time to squeeze out the juice. I have no interest in the new Killzone but visually it's amazing, and the system isn't even finalised yet. I agree with your points about how the physics engines etc will improve over the consoles lifetime, but as it stands now, it's only the concept of the console that is really exciting, the streaming capabilities, the instant on/off mode and yes the graphics are impressive, but showing off sequels and third party games was not a great way to convince me to buy their games console. It's still all to play for yet, but I can only react to what I've seen, I look forward to seeing something I like.
dwarf Posted February 21, 2013 Posted February 21, 2013 (edited) I wasn't really enthralled by any of the games (apart from Second Son but next to nothing was revealed there) but I know Sony will deliver come launch-time. They did great things with the PS3. Nintendo don't have the reigns to properties that possess the complexity or quality of games like Demon's Souls or the artistry or creativity of games like Journey. They could change that, but they don't care anymore. Who said a page or two back that Miiverse shits on the PS4 interface? Because nobody's even seen the PS4 interface yet and I already know that's a lie. The Miiverse is just so... naff. It's an insult, frankly. Edited February 21, 2013 by dwarf
V. Amoleo Posted February 21, 2013 Posted February 21, 2013 The instant on/off mode was a really interesting point. Would have liked to seen the power drain when it was suspended in this way. The streaming didn't interest me all that much. Hopefully they at least link the streaming to prior PSN purchases. In a perfect world they'd let you stream a version of the PS1/PS2/PS3 game you insert into the disc drive. The social sharing wasn't really of any interest to me either. I don't use Facebook personally and I'm not someone who enjoys watching someone else play a game.
not_so_tiny Posted February 21, 2013 Posted February 21, 2013 I love how friendly Miiverse is. It's slightly un-nerving.
dwarf Posted February 21, 2013 Posted February 21, 2013 I'm not someone who enjoys watching someone else play a game. I think it would be hilarious. Say a friend finds a funny glitch or has found a funny way to dick people over online, or even if they're just trying to convince you of a game's majesty, they can show you there and then after a quick message. And then you can help Daft platinum Wipeout from your own TV. Or chide him. i.e. it's a fantastic feature. As for Miiverse, you're wrong. It's haunting.
not_so_tiny Posted February 21, 2013 Posted February 21, 2013 I think it would be hilarious. Say a friend finds a funny glitch or has found a funny way to dick people over online, or even if they're just trying to convince you of a game's majesty, they can show you there and then after a quick message. And then you can help Daft platinum Wipeout from your own TV. Or chide him. i.e. it's a fantastic feature. As for Miiverse, you're wrong. It's haunting. Absolutely, completely agree it's an amzing idea. Should be good for 'let's plays' too. That's Miiverse's charm! But to me, it does feel like a community, which I really like. It's Nintendo Facebook.
Murr Posted February 21, 2013 Posted February 21, 2013 Before I get lynched, I said if a crappy third party like Capcom can make something that looks as impressive as Deep Down then that's all the reassurance I need. eh Tomatoe's...Tomato's :p Still agree it looks awesome!
Daft Posted February 21, 2013 Posted February 21, 2013 I think the implementation of all the online and streaming is going to be massive. Fuck cross-game chat, this is cross-game play. ...Is the tagline I suggest.
not_so_tiny Posted February 21, 2013 Posted February 21, 2013 Sony: games won't transfer to the PS4, nor will your game saves It's the morning after the night before, and Sony Worldwide Studios president Shuhei Yoshida has just confirmed to us that current-generation PSN titles won't transfer across to the PlayStation 4. The company admitted last night that PS3 games wouldn't be compatible with the latest console, but has added that it will try to make titles playable "in some form." Because the architecture of the Power-PC-based PS3 and x86-based PlayStation 4 are so different, Sony will only bring across games that don't guzzle the latest console's power in emulation. The executive also said that the company aims to offer server-side and cloud services to offer a wider library of older games, but said that's one for the "longer term." I can understand why, but it's a shame. Looks like the Controller uses universal usb cables like the PS3. Hopefully the cable that comes with it will be longer than my arm this time :p
madeinbeats Posted February 21, 2013 Posted February 21, 2013 Large press sites seem underwhelmed too. http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-21528542 The Verge:Sony's decision to not announce the price or a firm shipping date for the PlayStation 4 will no doubt give the company room to manoeuvre should it need to respond to any gaming announcements from Microsoft. Gizmodo: Sony has revamped its user interface for the new video games console As the hours of demos and introductions dragged on, it became increasingly obvious that we weren't actually going to see the PlayStation 4. Sony either isn't ready for primetime, or Sony thinks the best way to get us interested is to play hard to get. Wired: Talk is the cheapest thing there is. And that's basically what Sony did today: It espoused a philosophy, said the names of a lot of popular games, but didn't give us any real, concrete information in an age where it's more important than ever. Computer and Video Games: Sony is not only responding to a world disrupted by Apple, that will only continue to fragment, but is trying to see past it; to carve its own niche. It's no small step that PS4 is being developed out of the west, and not Japan - yet even more surprising to learn that work began on it five years ago. *****: Most exciting is the share button. The PS4, we're told, will sneakily and transparently monitor and buffer our last 15 minutes of gameplay. This will be a boon to all those who think there is not enough inane video drivel on YouTube. echcrunch: A new Killzone game was among the exclusive software titles unveiled at the event What was missing from Sony was a discussion of anything that could've made it a more broadly appealing device. It (and we, as potential customers) needed way more than a falling back on graphics, eye candy and tech demos, which may have served the gaming industry well in the past, but which have done nothing to stem the rising tide of mobile platforms like iOS and Android. Stuff: The PS4 looks to be a confident riposte to the Nintendo Wii U, with an array of social gaming features that look set to - potentially - enthral and irritate in equal measure. Microsoft, the ball's in your court. Cnet: The PS4 looks like it's long on promises and big-picture dreaming, but currently short on clear, concrete reasons why anyone would be tempted to buy one. New York Times: New features cannot hide the fact that PlayStation 4 is still a console, a way of playing games on compact discs that was cool when cellphones were not smart.
V. Amoleo Posted February 21, 2013 Posted February 21, 2013 It was obvious there'd be no traditional backwards compatibility. But what about games you've bought digitally on PSN? Will they now be streamable?
Zechs Merquise Posted February 21, 2013 Posted February 21, 2013 It was obvious there'd be no traditional backwards compatibility. But what about games you've bought digitally on PSN? Will they now be streamable? It's the morning after the night before, and Sony Worldwide Studios president Shuhei Yoshida has just confirmed to us that current-generation PSN titles won't transfer across to the PlayStation 4. The company admitted last night that PS3 games wouldn't be compatible with the latest console, but has added that it will try to make titles playable "in some form." Because the architecture of the Power-PC-based PS3 and x86-based PlayStation 4 are so different, Sony will only bring across games that don't guzzle the latest console's power in emulation. The executive also said that the company aims to offer server-side and cloud services to offer a wider library of older games, but said that's one for the "longer term." http://www.engadget.com/2013/02/21/sony-psn-games-wont-transfer-to-ps4/
not_so_tiny Posted February 21, 2013 Posted February 21, 2013 It was obvious there'd be no traditional backwards compatibility. But what about games you've bought digitally on PSN? Will they now be streamable? By the sounds of it that's the plan, but it's a longterm goal, I don't expect we'll see it at launch.
Agent Gibbs Posted February 21, 2013 Posted February 21, 2013 Holy shit even PSN stuff isn't backwards compatible?! that is as bad as nintendo's lack of cross platform digital content sharing, surely psone and ps2 games could be transfered? and indie titles like Trine or Limbo? PS3 games makes sense but ALL psn stuff...... I hope they will fix that or clarify the statement to be PS3 PSN games won't work I suppose its not that bad......i'd keep my ps3 as it is
Daft Posted February 21, 2013 Posted February 21, 2013 But PSN games are PS3 games. Why would they be any different? It's not like the console can't read BluRays, the issue is intrinsic to how the games are built. The backward compatibility thing is weird. It can't really be helped and everyone knew it was coming. I'll be keeping my PS3 for a while as I transition to the PS4 anyway. I'm not even bothered the next Xbox won't be backward compatible. I never use backward compatibility on the Wii either.
dazzybee Posted February 21, 2013 Posted February 21, 2013 Oh my god this is awful. People moaned about wii u in this regard but at least they have solutions. This is shockingly shit!! And THEY HAVE ACCOUNTS!!!! Are all the PSN games not going to be on the store than? of course they will, so they should move over! This has to be bull!!
Debug Mode Posted February 21, 2013 Posted February 21, 2013 (edited) Also, event was extremely sexist because no women were on the stage. Check your privilege levels, Sony. Turns out some games journalists are actually using this as a 'valid' complaint about the event! You damn right I'm mad as fuck. No one gives a shit what the gender of the person was when they showed us video games or explained to us the console during that event. To expect that some women or two should have been thrown in so it's not sexist is ironically sexist. All the people who went up on stage to demonstrate some video games were the project leaders from certain studios. The attitude from these people complaining suggests that this shouldn't have happened and instead, we should have treated women essentially as tokens to maintain equality. Bullshit. I'd be pretty pissed if I was apart of the genuine feminist movement, as this is completely counter progressive to the cause. Finishing the rant with a comment I saw. I can't find it any more thanks to a sea of comments, but it basically went like this: The absence of females from the event in favour of an all-male cast just goes to show video games are not expanding, but is something for neckbeards and manchildren I really hope whoever said that was a troll, because fighting non-existent sexism with sexist remarks is fabulous on so many fucking levels. Edited February 21, 2013 by Debug Mode
not_so_tiny Posted February 21, 2013 Posted February 21, 2013 I really didn't see PSN stuff not carrying forward, it's all based on the Cell so they can't keep supporting it with the PS4. A lot of people are going to be burned this generation with all the DLC and digital games bought over the last however many years. I can see it happening with Microsoft too. If you thought Nintendo charging a tiny amount to upgrade Virtual Console titles to support Wii U had a backlash...
madeinbeats Posted February 21, 2013 Posted February 21, 2013 No BC because the CPUs have totally different architecture. BC has never bothered me really, can't say I've evef made use of it to make it worthwhile to be honest. If it meant the Wii U would have gave an easier time to developers if its CPU were x86 based, I'd easily wave goodbye to Wii BC.
Daft Posted February 21, 2013 Posted February 21, 2013 Developers react positively to PS4 specs: “Fun times coming” – Crytek Sony revealed the PS4 recently and also its specifications at an event in New York. There are a lot of people who were shocked when Mark Cerny announced that the console has 8GB GDDR5 RAM, and now we have reactions from different developers who are extremely pleased with the specs. The RAM seems to be a terrific decision from Sony, as people were mostly expecting 4GB GDDR5. Self-publishing for indie devs and big devs happy with specs bodes well.
Gold Panda Posted February 21, 2013 Posted February 21, 2013 Im really are not impressed. Its the same sequels, shooters, explosions. Only slightly prettier. Software wise nothing felt new and exciting, expect from Witness, and its not a exclusive.
Dcubed Posted February 21, 2013 Posted February 21, 2013 (edited) Confirmation that PSN games are not transferable to PS4 at all, not even playable via Gaikai! http://www.engadget.com/2013/02/21/sony-psn-games-wont-transfer-to-ps4/ Ha Ha! I totally called it. So much for Nintendo having the worst policy regarding DD game ownership At least with them you actually own your games for good and can transfer them onward! Edited February 21, 2013 by Dcubed
Ville Posted February 21, 2013 Posted February 21, 2013 Turns out some games journalists are actually using this as a 'valid' complaint about the event! You damn right I'm mad as fuck. No one gives a shit what the gender of the person was when they showed us video games or explained to us the console during that event. To expect that some women or two should have been thrown in so it's not sexist is ironically sexist. All the people who went up on stage to demonstrate some video games were the project leaders from certain studios. The attitude from these people complaining suggests that this shouldn't have happened and instead, we should have treated women essentially as tokens to maintain equality. Bullshit. I'd be pretty pissed if I was apart of the genuine feminist movement, as this is completely counter progressive to the cause. Finishing the rant with a comment I saw. I can't find it any more thanks to a sea of comments, but it basically went like this: I really hope whoever said that was a troll, because fighting non-existent sexism with sexist remarks is fabulous on so many fucking levels. Haha, well welcome to the bullshit "feminism" of today. Not saying there aren't valid gender issues out there, but it's all getting diluted and mixed up with such things as you just described. Equality = token women must be included in video game presentations. Well how about only men being drafted to military service, how about women representing their gender there too? Oh nevermind, suddenly a little unequality is just fine... Still, I think including both men and women in any type of show / representation does have its merits, as it brings diversity and can better cater to both genders watching. But saying it's sexist to not have one gender present? Ha, well in that case all the Nintendo Directs have been downright vicious, only Asian men spouting their horribly racist and sexist agenda at the world like there's no tomorrow. I bet they're heterosexuals too, THOSE BASTARDS! : D
Debug Mode Posted February 21, 2013 Posted February 21, 2013 As much as it's a shame, you seem to be making a massive jump by claiming they wont be streamed through Gaikai considering that wasn't even mentioned in the article, Dcubed. It just says they wont transfer to PS4, which makes sense, as it would all have to be emulated because just by being a digital download game doesn't mean it's not relying on the architecture of the PS3 thus wont work straight away with PS4.
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