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By popular I mean it springs up in a lot of videos by people toying with it. Source games have been adapted very easily to the system.

 

I hope they figure it out. I recently read a feature, might have been Eurogamer or Edge, where the guy dropped from a ledge to the ground in City 17 and it was the most disorienting thing ever. I can see how it might be; you're tricking your brain into thinking you're moving with the speed and agility that you do in FPS' when it's not used to that.

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I connected my Dual Shock 3 up to my laptop but I damn well near died in the attempt. This move would tempt me to buy more Steam games.

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I connected my Dual Shock 3 up to my laptop but I damn well near died in the attempt

 

I read that many people have trouble with that. No idea why...

Just install motionjoy, plug in the controller, select "emulate Xbox 360 controller" and boom, there you go.

 

Never had any problems.

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I read that many people have trouble with that. No idea why...

Just install motionjoy, plug in the controller, select "emulate Xbox 360 controller" and boom, there you go.

 

Never had any problems.

 

does motionjoy work for mapping controls to none-controller games?

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Interesting. So if it uses more standard USB drivers, it could also work easier on Android via cable (and possibly Bluetooth).

 

I think they'd restrict bluetooth DS4 compatibility to their own Android phones though. The DS3 is compatible with most Android phones via OTG cables, but you can connect it to Xperia phones via bluetooth. I imagine Sony would want to keep that as a feature exclusive to phones that are either their own, or Playstation certified.

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I read that many people have trouble with that. No idea why...

Just install motionjoy, plug in the controller, select "emulate Xbox 360 controller" and boom, there you go.

 

Never had any problems.

 

It's good and I do this too but it pisses me off that button prompts are the 360 buttons. It takes me a second or two to perform the translation in my head about what I should be pressing.

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The great thing about motioninjoy is that its compatible with all sorts of pc games including normal pc controllers. The 360 controller only works on certain games which tend to mostly be console ports.

 

If I understand what you are saying, then you are kinda wrong there:

 

"Most modern games support Xinput. This 'Xinput' is a thing that allows you to use a game pad (Like the X360 controller for Windows) in a game. Xinput does not take hardware into consideration, meaning any Gamepad (Including the DualShock 3) can use Xinput as long as they have the Drivers. Warframe uses Xinput, meaning as long as you are using a Xinput supporting device, you can play it with said device."

 

Also guys, really stop using MotioninJoy. For me, it had adware/spyware that upon my computer starting up, would open particular websites. I tracked the cause right to MotioninJoy and after a quick google search, found that I wasn't the only one. For some other unlucky people, it installs faulty drivers that cause BSOD.

 

Some games do have mods that change it (but probably not many).

 

Dark Souls is a good example. Phantasy Star Online 2 is another although that was built into the game.

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Sony set to announce PS4 launch timing for Japan

 

Sony has today announced that it'll stream the SCE Japan PlayStation press conference this coming Monday, September 9 via the PS Blog.

 

The English translation will starts 7.00am BST. Sony is set to announce the launch timing of the PS4 in Japan and possibly a few more launch games for the region. Whether we'll see any of the new titles remains to be seen. We do hope so.

 

http://www.shopto.net/news/43982/Sony-set-to-announce-PS4-launch-timing-for-Japan/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=facebook

 

 

I tend to wake up at about 6:30am these days so I expect I will probably watch this live

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Nope. Xinpunt is MS's own proprietary, 360 controller system. Its pretty shitty for support actually. Only MS seem to support it hardware wise. PC manufacturers have not had it easy though as software support for 360 controllers(Made by MS) are strong in console to pc ports. Its fractured the peripheral support on pc's. The best devices cant use xinput as its pretty weak so some manufacturers have just stopped bothering altogether.

 

What is so bad about xinput when most controllers are based around the design of the 360 and ps3 pad (for obvious reasons)?

 

I had a look at an old pc controller I had from years ago. If you are referring to the extra crap they put on the controllers then I'm glad that isn't supported so well as those superfluous buttons and extras barely get used and really aren't even needed.

 

Apologies for being so offtopic.

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360 controller made by MS.

Apart from the Dpad, the 360 is a fine controller template even though I prefer the DS3.

 

Which is why some joke about MS caring about fps more than other genres. Obviously pc steering support is a big deal in racing games. Even Gran Turismo focuses on pc wheels mainly.

 

In all my years of gaming I have never bought a steering wheel, but I am not a driving nut.

 

I can understand people hate adverts built into programs but there is nothing as thorugh. With motioninjoy you can shut it down after setting though and play games. On steam plenty of games don't use the 360 controller so having classic pc input mode is big.

 

Also, it's not the adverts IN motioinjoy that are the problem, it's the websites it opens up while you play, the fact that it's sending information to servers in china and that it can seriously screw up bluetooth and usb components with it's shitty drivers. It's also a right bitch to uninstall requiring registry editing.

 

A sum of the good that xinput has brought it:

 

Xinput standardized what it meant to use a controller on a PC game. Most games that come out today support xinput, and because of this, they can tell the player to press the "A" button, or "LB" button, and it will always mean the same thing. Back when directinput was the standard, games couldn't really consistently put button icons into their UI's, or even guarantee that your controller had two clickable analog sticks.

 

Differences between Xinput and Directinput:

 

1. XInput supports only "next generation" controllers. This limits it basically to controllers for the Xbox 360 that also have Windows drivers. Legacy Windows controllers, joysticks and generalized force-feedback devices are not supported.

 

2. XInput supports a maximum of four controllers at a time. This is an Xbox limit, carried over to Windows. Although as of 2010 few PC games require more than four controllers at once, DirectInput itself has no such limitation.

 

3. XInput does not support keyboards, mice, or mouse-type devices. While this mirrors Microsoft's recommendation not to use DirectInput with these devices,[8] programmers can use DirectInput with these devices.

 

4. XInput supports maximum of 4 axes, 10 buttons, 2 triggers and 8-direction digital pad per controller, compared to DirectInput's support for 8 axes, 128 buttons, and full-range POV. (Incidentally, the number of axes, buttons and triggers XInput supports corresponds directly to the Xbox 360 controller.)

 

5. XInput support only very basic control of vibration motors. Which is in contrast with the great amount of various effects supported by DirectInput..

 

IMO most of the directinput stuff is superfluous to a typical game player's needs for example '128 buttons'.

 

These days, you would be very hard pressed to find a recent game that is designed for controller's, yet doesn't support the 360 pad and in kind, the DS3 as well.

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Also, it's not the adverts IN motioinjoy that are the problem, it's the websites it opens up while you play, the fact that it's sending information to servers in china and that it can seriously screw up bluetooth and usb components with it's shitty drivers. It's also a right bitch to uninstall requiring registry editing.

This has never happened to me, on several machines and many many hours of playing. Think you might have something else on your machine causing that...

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This has never happened to me, on several machines and many many hours of playing. Think you might have something else on your machine causing that...

 

I know it was motioninjoy. Repeated scans detected the file, which was a part of motioninjoy, not an infection, and it happened as soon as got that program. As soon as I uninstalled it, problems stopped AND several google searches confirmed that other's had the same problems. Older versions of the program on other computers didn't give this issue but somewhere something changed and motioninjoy is just not trustworthy anymore.

 

Some links for further evidence, not proof, as it doesn't seem to effect everyone, but this is the exact problem I had: http://emulation-general.wikia.com/wiki/MotioninJoy

 

Neogaf thread reporting problems

 

EDIT: I guess no one believes me so I'll leave it at that. If it works for you with no problems then that's great.

 

EVEN IF none of that happened and it was just a nice little program that did exactly what was on the tin, I would still recommend the SCP driver I linked over MotionInJoy. It's smaller, easier to install and run, and just more convenient overall. It simply tricks the computer into thinking the DS3 is a 360 controller. It was developed out of a need to get around MotionInJoy, actually, but isn't as popular or well known since it hasn't been around as long.
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