Ronnie Posted December 22, 2011 Posted December 22, 2011 This will help with the confusing OOT timelines: Wow, that graphic couldn't be more unclear and confusing.
Diageo Posted December 22, 2011 Posted December 22, 2011 I thought it's made the most sense so far and I think I finally get the whole thing.
Ike Posted December 23, 2011 Posted December 23, 2011 Play-Asia still haven't shipped mine, was slightly hoping I would possibly get it before Christmas if they shipped on the 21st, but never mind.
Dante Posted December 23, 2011 Posted December 23, 2011 (edited) Lttp Zelda WW Tetra/Zelda designs OoT Link SS Ghirahim Summary Timeline Edited December 23, 2011 by Dante
Hamishmash Posted December 23, 2011 Posted December 23, 2011 This is a good graph showing the timeline. I like the timeline, I guess I don't get Four Swords Adventures being so far away from Four Swords but it's been ages since I played Adventures. http://s3.amazonaws.com/data.tumblr.com/tumblr_lwnqq3xyn11qfd4eco1_1280.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAJ6IHWSU3BX3X7X3Q&Expires=1324731828&Signature=uiw4M1EwmztMY0UcduuJ3XOV1jY%3D
Ronnie Posted December 23, 2011 Posted December 23, 2011 This is a good graph showing the timeline. I like the timeline, I guess I don't get Four Swords Adventures being so far away from Four Swords but it's been ages since I played Adventures. http://s3.amazonaws.com/data.tumblr.com/tumblr_lwnqq3xyn11qfd4eco1_1280.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAJ6IHWSU3BX3X7X3Q&Expires=1324731828&Signature=uiw4M1EwmztMY0UcduuJ3XOV1jY%3D Yeah that illustrates it pretty well. I still don't personally see the Four Swords games as proper Zelda titles but more like party games, but oh well.
Hamishmash Posted December 23, 2011 Posted December 23, 2011 I always count Four Swords Adventures because it has a more established plot and fits into stuff established in Minish Cap, but always disregarded Four Swords itself, or just saw it as a prologue or something but.... I guess they're seperate now.
Ganepark32 Posted December 23, 2011 Posted December 23, 2011 (edited) Everywhere is going nuts over this. I'm finding it all a bit strange really. My main complaint with this supposed timeline is that how can the Oracles games be set so late in a timeline when Din/Nayru/Farore (can't remember exactly which ones are in which game) appear in those games as the goddesses in physical form? Surely that would imply it being at the beginning of time for the land/Hyrule the games are set in. They seem to be more spin-offs with no true connections between the main games if I'm honest. Similarly, surely there can't even be an Adult timeline from OoT. When you defeat Ganon(dorf) as Adult Link, you go back to the Temple of Time and are returned to the Child line, meaning that the Adult timeline would ceases to exist because you're sent back before any of the events that you played a part in took part, yet still with the triforce to prove Ganondorf is evil. As some have said with the 'Failure' timeline, the Adult one seems to be a What-If scenario leaving the Child Line as the main story arch for the series. Edited December 23, 2011 by Ganepark32
Diageo Posted December 23, 2011 Posted December 23, 2011 I don't think the timeline ceases to exist when adult link returns. When he goes back in time and saves the day, a new future is created as a sort of parallel timeline.
Fierce_LiNk Posted December 23, 2011 Posted December 23, 2011 Some of those designs for Ghirahim are interesting. I quite like the one in the top hat. The top left one reminds me of Edward Norton in the first half of American History X.
Jonnas Posted December 23, 2011 Posted December 23, 2011 I now hear among the internets that Four Swords Adventures was supposed to be a prologue of sorts to LttP (apparently, Ganon obtains his spear in FSA, or something?) but it was changed late in development because Four Swords games would be best left with unimportant plots. I take that info with several amounts of salt, but it's a plausible justification for the fuss around that game. My main complaint with this supposed timeline is that how can the Oracles games be set so late in a timeline when Din/Nayru/Farore (can't remember exactly which ones are in which game) appear in those games as the goddesses in physical form? Surely that would imply it being at the beginning of time for the land/Hyrule the games are set in. They seem to be more spin-offs with no true connections between the main games if I'm honest. I thought the same too. Link has no background, is sent on journeys by a Triforce that's together and well, but Koume and Kotake are still around and trying to revive Ganon? Always looked like a mesh of general Zelda elements. But if we consider that Link to be the same one from Link to the Past, then almost everything makes perfect sense. What little is unexplained has probably to do with this new "3 timelines" paradigm. The argument you presented about the Goddesses doesn't hold much water, though. Gods and Goddesses can assume human forms whenever they please, not to mention they are inherently immortal. Why should they only exist in the beginning of time? Similarly, surely there can't even be an Adult timeline from OoT. When you defeat Ganon(dorf) as Adult Link, you go back to the Temple of Time and are returned to the Child line, meaning that the Adult timeline would ceases to exist because you're sent back before any of the events that you played a part in took part, yet still with the triforce to prove Ganondorf is evil. As some have said with the 'Failure' timeline, the Adult one seems to be a What-If scenario leaving the Child Line as the main story arch for the series. Well, while it would make sense to think like that, then it would also mean that defeating Ganondorf, his threats and that ending where everyone is celebrating at Lon Lon Ranch would all be rendered utterly pointless (not to mention every story and sidequest existing in the Adult side of the game). It makes sense to assume life goes on in that separate timeline, and it eventually leads into the flood and Wind Waker because Link was the one erased from (that) existence, not the rest of the world.
Cube Posted December 23, 2011 Posted December 23, 2011 Why could the sealing war (and all following events) not be put after Four Swords Adventures? The Four Sword is the incorrect weapon for getting rid of Ganon, so he should still exist at the end of that game. Plus, he gets the trident. Although, as it is a separate timeline he does need to get it in 4SA.
EEVILMURRAY Posted December 24, 2011 Posted December 24, 2011 Plus, he gets the trident. Ganon has a trident in A Link To The Past. Holy shit. It's all fitting now.
Cube Posted December 29, 2011 Posted December 29, 2011 http://www.the-king-of-games.com/english/shop/index.php?mode=catalog_list&type=series&series_id=50 Works out around £60 with shipping.
Retro_Link Posted December 29, 2011 Author Posted December 29, 2011 That's not the nicest T-Shirt tbh... not only the colour, but the design's a bit random. I really hope the art book comes to the UK. Nintendo Japan are also getting the anniversary posters on their website are they not... hope we get those too!
Ronnie Posted December 30, 2011 Posted December 30, 2011 I quite like the design, I'm not really into nerdy gaming t-shirts but I might pick this up once I decide black or green.
Dante Posted December 31, 2011 Posted December 31, 2011 (edited) Zelda concepts Zelda:Oot: Zelda: MM: Zelda: Oracles: Zelda: WW: Zelda:TP: Zelda: SS: Edited January 3, 2012 by Dante
Dante Posted January 3, 2012 Posted January 3, 2012 Gamefaqs are posting scans and translations. Also Zelda Informer boards doing translations. When Link first set foot in the Twilight, the crest of the Triforce of Courage shined on the back of his hand; when he returned to human-form he wore clothes the hero wore. Link is taught mysteries from the ghost of the hero of time. Since he returned to his childhood, he'd felt regret that he would leave his name as hero. Therefore, Link's "son" spoke with [his ghost] and inherited the mysteries and the proof of courage.
Retro_Link Posted January 3, 2012 Author Posted January 3, 2012 (edited) I hate what they did to the Hero of Time in Twilight Princess... I mean wft is that ^... seriously?... it's not at all fitting. *ignores* Edited January 3, 2012 by Retro_Link
Jonnas Posted January 3, 2012 Posted January 3, 2012 The official story matches the fan-theories, then. Hardly surprising, don't spirits take any form they want to? Makes sense that he would take the form of a wolf to catch TP!Link's attention, and the form of Stalfos (his worthy opponents in sword fights) when teaching him the techniques he eventually learned.
Ronnie Posted January 3, 2012 Posted January 3, 2012 Has anyone heard anything from Play-Asia since ordering?
Ike Posted January 3, 2012 Posted January 3, 2012 Has anyone heard anything from Play-Asia since ordering? Nope. The product page changed to say they are getting some in January I'm guessing we got to wait a bit longer get (more?) stock in.
Dante Posted January 4, 2012 Posted January 4, 2012 (edited) I hate what they did to the Hero of Time in Twilight Princess... I mean wft is that ^... seriously?... it's not at all fitting. *ignores* The Hero's Shade in TP says: "Although I accepted life as the hero, I could not convey the lessons of that life to those that came after. At last, I have eased my regrets." Nintendo are really trying to fixed the holes into the timelines: Oracle of Season -> Oracle of Ages is confirmed.Twinrova from Oracles is the one who raised Ganondorf. Ganondorf from Four Swords Adventure really is a reincarnation of Ganondorf. The Triforce is obtained by the Royal Family after Twilight Princess. The Minish Cap and Four Swords take place in the same era but feature a different Link and Zelda. The backstory featured in Four Swords about Vaati kidnapping maidens is a different event from The Minish Cap, despite featuring a previous Link. The downfall timeline: Link, the Hero of Time's Defeat After obtaining the Triforce of Power, Princess Zelda fell into Ganondorf's hands. Link, the Hero of Time, was defeated during the battle that would decide Hyrule's fate. The Seven Sages Seal Ganon Ganondorf finally got his hands on the Triforce of Wisdom that was inside Princess Zelda and the Triforce of Courage that was inside Link. After obtaining the true power, he became Demon King Ganon. Princess Zelda, the head of the Seven Sages, as a last resort, sealed the Demon King Ganon and the Triforce inside the Sacred Realm. The Sealing War For a brief moment, it seemed as though peace had returned to the kingdom. However, because of Ganondorf, the entrance to the Sacred Realm and the existence of the Triforce became known and many people lusted for the power of the gods and rushed toward the Sacred Realm. However, because of Ganondorf's wicked heart, it became the Dark World. There were none that returned and in return, evil began spewing forth from the Sacred Realm. The Sages Seal the Sacred Realm Therefore, the King of Hyrule commanded the seven sages to seal the Sacred Realm. The knights protected the Sages, who were giving a prayer, but monsters came forth from the Sacred Realm and most perished in the terrible war that had unfolded. The entrance to the Sacred Realm was closed once again and was expected to not break open again. Edited January 4, 2012 by Dante Automerged Doublepost
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