Slaggis Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 We had a Clairevoyant in today for my pyschology lesson. He was really interesting, and though some of the stuff he went on about just flew over my head some of the stuff did get to me. He was going on about how many "spirits" were in the room with all of us, and that every single one of us had at least one spirit with them. He came to me and some something like "I'm sorry, I'm just getting a really strong feeling from you. Did you know someone in the Army, who was in the war? They died about two years ago didn't they? He's with you now, and wants you to follow through with what you keep thinking about doing - something that will take you on the path you've always wanted to go". I looked rather stunned, because he then described my grandad (who past away 2 years/6months ago almost perfectly and the whole thing about the decision is true too. I just found a course at Leeds for Journalism for Uni (something I didn't know they did) and I've been holding back from applying because I don't think I'll get in. Anyway! It really interested me, because I'm aware the decision thing could of been a lucky guess, but the description of my Grandad obviously (in my opinion) wasn't. I'm not saying I totally believe in all this stuff, but it's really made me think. Opinions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightwolf Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 I'm not sure, but if the guy had done the same to me I may have been tempted to smack him. I'm a tempremental person when it comes to the dead, specially when it comes to people I know who were close and died. They should be left alone if they indeed do exsist. It does make you think though, but things can easily be proven to be clever guess work, I believe even darren brown did a show on it recently. Too many things point to trickery for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wesley Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 Maybe your Grandad has a really good sense of humour and set all this up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris the great Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 i dont belive, its a hit and miss trick, i forget the name. it plays on several factors, the age and gender of individuals, as well as the fact people remeber what they get right, and forget what they get wrong. its just praying on people's desperation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReZourceman Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 Hmmmm. I do believe in ghosts, but I completely don't believe in mediums, and clairevoyants. The stuff they say (like he said to you) sounds very generic and could be said to anyone in your position, "Something that will take you on the path you've wanted to" that could pretty much be said to anyone anywhere and it would make some kind of sense. Obviously I don't know what he said about your Grandfather, but possibly you could have pictured him in your mind, and as he said things they could have been generic or suggestive. Again...I dunno what he said, but yeah. Yadda yadda, but yeah I do believe in ghosts but I think mediums are bull shit. Utter utter bull shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan_Dare Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 I think the whole thing is a morally abhorrent sham, frankly. It's nothing but word tricks and body language interpretation used to manipulate the desperate. I'm with Charlie Brooker on the subject. If I walked into a single mother's house and said I could read her baby's mind, then started shouting four-letter words, claiming I was simply voicing her offspring's thoughts, I would expect to be arrested the moment I stepped outside. And if, during my "psychic reading", I also speculated about the mother's sex life, and a potentially abusive relationship with a former boyfriend, claiming her toddler was concerned about "men who want to touch mum's privates", and I went on and on in this vein until the mother burst into tears, there in the living room, in front of her child, I'd expect to be arrested, sectioned, and beaten in the back of the van. And if I allowed a TV crew to broadcast what I was doing, I'd expect to be attacked by a mob, who'd pull me apart and kick my remains around the street, pausing only to spit on any bits of my face that got stuck to their shoes. But no. In fact the outcry would be muted at best and Ofcom would turn a blind eye - as it did last week, while clearing Channel 5's unbelievably disgusting Baby Mind Reader of any wrongdoing. I've never fully understood the public's docile acceptance of psychics, or why, when it comes to their supposed abilities, the burden of proof is assumed to lie with the sceptic, as opposed to the sort of shrieking idiot who claims to be able to contact the spirit world (or in Derek Ogilvie's case, communicate telepathically with kids too young to talk). I'm quite hardcore on this. I think every psychic and medium in this country belongs in prison. Even the ones demented enough to believe in what they're doing. In fact, especially them. Give them windowless cells and make them crap in buckets. They can spend the rest of their days sewing mailbags in the dark. The audiences that psychics prey on are equally infuriating, albeit less deserving of contempt. They're just disappointing, like a friend who's let you down. Often, they're simply grieving and desperate. I mean, if you want to believe in psychics, fine. You're a dangerous idiot and I wouldn't trust you to operate a spoon without putting an eye out ... but fine. Your choice. Delude yourself silly. Your world is probably more fun than the real one. There's no death, just an afterlife filled with magic spirits who like to communicate with eerie, ugly, otherwise-unemployable bottom-of-the-barrel "showmen" back on Earth. But don't accuse anyone with the temerity to question your sad supernatural fantasies of having a "closed mind" or being "blind to possibilities". A closed mind asks no questions, unthinkingly accepting that which it wants to believe. The blindness is all yours. (If you want to feel your eyes pop rudely open, swot up on the "cold reading" techniques fake psychics use - a combination of guesswork and sly conversational tics which give the impression that the "psychic" is magically receiving accurate information from the ether. A fantastic (albeit pricey) step-by-step guide is available from Ianrowland.com. Anyway, back to my psychic prison fantasies. The problem with trying to jail all the mediums in Britain is they'd a) see it coming, and escape overseas to somewhere even more gullible, like Narnia, before you'd passed the legislation, or b) call on their ghostly friends in the spirit world to whisk them from harm's reach. Except they couldn't because ghosts - unlike scumbags and conmen - don't exist. Pity. But that's the real world for you. Often disappointing. But real. At least it's always real. IgnopediA Continuing our uniquely unreliable interactive knowledge resource. Creationism (requested by Matthew Roberts) Creationism, simply put, is the heartfelt conviction that man was created by God, using some kind of celestial putty. This is perhaps the most arrogant belief a human skull can contain without exploding. After all, God has far better things to do than creating self-important little species such as ours. He's got wars, deaths, disasters and diseases to ignore for starters. And a fair bit of not-exist-ing-at-all to be getting on with. Creationists reject Darwin's theory of evolution on the grounds that it is "just a theory". This is a valid criticism: evolution is indeed merely "a theory", albeit one with ten billion times more credence than the theory of creationism - although, to be fair, the theory of creationism is more than just a theory. It's also a fairy story. And children love fairy stories, which is presumably why so many creationists are keen to have their whimsical gibberish taught in schools. In recent years, creationism has been rechristened "Intelligent Design" (or ID), because that sounds more like proper science, which is precisely what it isn't. ID is largely supported by religious zealots who believe they can best serve God by clashing with school boards and scientists, instead of, say, spreading peace and goodwill or loving their neighbours, neither of are half as much fun. · To look something up in the Ignopedia, submit a query to [email protected] Corporate nausea My uncontrollable rant about psychics has left no room for the TV Go Home entry this week. But there's just space to squeeze in one more example of puke-inducing corporate babyspeak. Several of you nominated Hellmann's mayonnaise, which now has "Once you dig in, keep me cold for three months ... but not too cold - I don't want to freeze!" printed on the jar. It might as well have added "LOL!" and "You don't have to be mad to eat me ... BUT IT HELPS!!!" It's a rum state of affairs when you feel like punching a jar of mayonnaise in the face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slaggis Posted November 7, 2008 Author Share Posted November 7, 2008 Maybe your Grandad has a really good sense of humour and set all this up? Yeah, he's dead dude. -- No Rez, because I said nothing, other than Yes, or no, when he asked a question. I'm definitely a skeptic too, and I was aware how some of them make you say things and then work off of that. I'm totally open to it being true, but then again I'm not one to suddenly go "OMFG I BELIEVE". He did the same thing to others (But we gave permission for him to do so, some people refused). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReZourceman Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 No Rez, because I said nothing, other than Yes, or no, when he asked a question. I'm definitely a skeptic too, and I was aware how some of them make you say things and then work off of that. I'm totally open to it being true, but then again I'm not one to suddenly go "OMFG I BELIEVE". He did the same thing to others (But we gave permission for him to do so, some people refused). How in depth did he describe him? What did he say exactly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slaggis Posted November 7, 2008 Author Share Posted November 7, 2008 How in depth did he describe him? What did he say exactly? He described an outfit he used to wear all the time when I was a kid and used to see him alot. He also went into how I had a bond with him as a child, but not my grandmother, because she "always seemed distant". It was rather detailed tbh, and I was pretty shocked as to how he was telling me this stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paj! Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 A little bit. More than in any religious beliefs anyway. I've done a few psychic sayonce (sp?) things in buildings etc and had some interesting experiences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The fish Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 I think I can comfortably say it's all bollocks. Well, more accurately, it's a scam designed to gain people's trust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dyson Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 Indeedily-do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rokhed00 Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 i dont belive, its a hit and miss trick, i forget the name. it plays on several factors, the age and gender of individuals, as well as the fact people remeber what they get right, and forget what they get wrong. its just praying on people's desperation. Biggest douche in the universe, innit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris the great Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 Biggest douche in the universe, innit? IM NOT A DOUCHE! god almighty that rocked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gizmo Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 Go watch the South Park episode about psychics. Pretty much sums it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EEVILMURRAY Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 I'm feeling the Brooker Love Dan, I really am. I'm bigging up to the j00t00be Masseev here, skip to about 1 minute if you're impatient for a nice section on TV psychics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris the great Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 its easy money. i could tell people i knew what there cat was thinking. except their cats dont think in human terms, and babies dont think like you. the dead dont talk to us, they are dead. psychics, go fuck yourself. i feel free to say this as they should know i was thinking it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ganepark32 Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 That is quite spooky that he said all that stuff, especially in such detail. And while some people work off of what people say, he could well have been reading your body language and making remarks based upon that. Now, I'm as skeptical as the next person about spirits/ghosts but I know there are things in this world that we can't describe just yet. However, I do believe in feeling a 'presence' in a room. For example, I've been sitting watching TV in my living room on my own and with no one else in the house and I could swear someone was standing behind me at the radiator. With this, I believe it to just be memories/fragments from a person's mind where they've been in the same room and someone has been standing in the spot where they think someone is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoadKill Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 its easy money. i could tell people i knew what there cat was thinking. except their cats dont think in human terms, and babies dont think like you. the dead dont talk to us, they are dead. psychics, go fuck yourself. i feel free to say this as they should know i was thinking it. This, basically. Fleecing people out of their money by playing on their emotions is pretty low, really Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supergrunch Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 I don't believe, I investigate. What happened to you sounds like cold reading to me. It can be very effective, but is a pretty evil thing to do to someone. Edit: That article is pretty awesome Dan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan_Dare Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 I'm feeling the Brooker Love Dan, I really am. Fo sho. That clip of the baby mind reader is horrendous....what an utter scumbag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rummy Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 For the record, I don't believe. I never did, and I'm alot less likely to now I did a module in Anomalistic Psychology(actually well fun and well interesting, was done by a Prof Chris French, quite the forefigure on parapsychology). I'm quite amazed that you were taken in somewhat, especially given you had this person visit you in a psychology lesson of all places! Were you told what the point was, or indeed anything regarding the legitimacy of such kinds of people, from the point of view of what Psychology teaches? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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