Dante Posted October 21, 2008 Author Posted October 21, 2008 the writers only want him to use his telekenetic power this series.
Oxigen_Waste Posted October 21, 2008 Posted October 21, 2008 EEVILMURRAY said: Did everyone fall under the delusion that when you saw him show one power at the end of season 2 he had gotten them all back? Seeing as how all he has to do to hone a power is understand how it works and he still remebered everything... yes, it's pretty much a matter of deductive logic to conclude that he should in fact have gotten all his powers back. It's the scriptwriters who are to blame for being incompetent. But I don't watch Heroes because it's good or because it makes sense... it's just random fun.
Mokong Posted October 21, 2008 Posted October 21, 2008 EEVILMURRAY said: Did everyone fall under the delusion that when you saw him show one power at the end of season 2 he had gotten them all back? In a word, YES. If he was to be "reset" he should only have his original power, to say he was "reset" with the exception of one makes no sense:blank: Anyway Reveal hidden contents Decent ep alright, like ep 5 lacked the action of ep 4, though I guess we can't have that every ep, but still a lot going on. The russian roulette thing, as bluey said was very predictable but still a good scene. My question is how stupid was that guy? He can control people like puppets has 3 women one of them Haiden Pettetrtetetete ...erm.. Claire and makes them play Russian Roulette...sick bastard Was good they jumped right in with explaining Ando's "death", I figured that's what happened. And the scenes in Africa were cool and Hiro getting pissed when he "went back to a minute before" and it didn't work, haha, awesome. I wondering what happened with Mohinder, Tracey and Nathan, I'd like to see Tracey freeze him like the reporter guy, Im starting to really dislike Mohinder this season, his change in character from the first 2 seasons seems too drastic, though hopefully when we get to the end and see where it all ends up it'll make sense..... was anyone else waiting for giant "insect like" limbs to start appearing out of him? I'm also wondering where his "webbing" comes out of Adam, holly crap I did not see that coming at all, was expecting Arthur to ask for a blood transfusion and then have Adam as his 2nd in command or something. Seems very shitty that they killed him off so early, and although shocking not nearly as epic as he deservered. Peters transformation into Sylar and Sylars transformation into Peter is very weird, everyone expected Sylar to be running rampant this season, guess the writers knew that and thought "what would they not expect?". The end seeing Arthur take Peters powers was interesting, when he did it to Adam I thought he absorbed his "lifeforce", but it was more a case of without his power he aged to his "real age". I was expecting Peter to turn to bones and ash too, till i realised what Arthur really does. Next question though has to be is did Arthurs power start off the same as Peters and evolved into what it is now, like how Matts evolved from Mindreading to mind-control. ie: if Peter still had his powers could he become like his father, or is Peters power more like a diluted form of Arthurs powers? Why though did he take Peters powers? He might have been worried since Peter can see the future, he seems to have issues with precogs, but Peter was on his way to "the dark side" chances are he would have joined him. HIGH FIVE TURTLE : peace:
Dante Posted October 21, 2008 Author Posted October 21, 2008 Mokong X-C said: In a word, YES. If he was to be "reset" he should only have his original power, to say he was "reset" with the exception of one makes no sense:blank: Anyway Reveal hidden contents Next question though has to be is did Arthurs power start off the same as Peters and evolved into what it is now, like how Matts evolved from Mindreading to mind-control. ie: if Peter still had his powers could he become like his father, or is Peters power more like a diluted form of Arthurs powers? Why though did he take Peters powers? He might have been worried since Peter can see the future, he seems to have issues with precogs, but Peter was on his way to "the dark side" chances are he would have joined him. HIGH FIVE TURTLE : peace: Reveal hidden contents I think it goes like this: Arthurs power goes into two parts for his sons: Peters power - power absorption without touching or sucking the host power as his own. Sylar power - intuitive aptitude.
McPhee Posted October 21, 2008 Posted October 21, 2008 Mokong X-C said: In a word, YES. If he was to be "reset" he should only have his original power, to say he was "reset" with the exception of one makes no sense:blank: Anyway Reveal hidden contents Decent ep alright, like ep 5 lacked the action of ep 4, though I guess we can't have that every ep, but still a lot going on. The russian roulette thing, as bluey said was very predictable but still a good scene. My question is how stupid was that guy? He can control people like puppets has 3 women one of them Haiden Pettetrtetetete ...erm.. Claire and makes them play Russian Roulette...sick bastard Was good they jumped right in with explaining Ando's "death", I figured that's what happened. And the scenes in Africa were cool and Hiro getting pissed when he "went back to a minute before" and it didn't work, haha, awesome. I wondering what happened with Mohinder, Tracey and Nathan, I'd like to see Tracey freeze him like the reporter guy, Im starting to really dislike Mohinder this season, his change in character from the first 2 seasons seems too drastic, though hopefully when we get to the end and see where it all ends up it'll make sense..... was anyone else waiting for giant "insect like" limbs to start appearing out of him? I'm also wondering where his "webbing" comes out of Adam, holly crap I did not see that coming at all, was expecting Arthur to ask for a blood transfusion and then have Adam as his 2nd in command or something. Seems very shitty that they killed him off so early, and although shocking not nearly as epic as he deservered. Peters transformation into Sylar and Sylars transformation into Peter is very weird, everyone expected Sylar to be running rampant this season, guess the writers knew that and thought "what would they not expect?". The end seeing Arthur take Peters powers was interesting, when he did it to Adam I thought he absorbed his "lifeforce", but it was more a case of without his power he aged to his "real age". I was expecting Peter to turn to bones and ash too, till i realised what Arthur really does. Next question though has to be is did Arthurs power start off the same as Peters and evolved into what it is now, like how Matts evolved from Mindreading to mind-control. ie: if Peter still had his powers could he become like his father, or is Peters power more like a diluted form of Arthurs powers? Why though did he take Peters powers? He might have been worried since Peter can see the future, he seems to have issues with precogs, but Peter was on his way to "the dark side" chances are he would have joined him. HIGH FIVE TURTLE : peace: Reveal hidden contents Maybe he simply wants to be the most powerful? I'd say that Peter is more powerful than Mr Petrelli, with Sylar 3rd. The question i've been wondering is who is gonna stop Mr Petrelli now? He can absorb powers without physical contact, so surely he's gonna take all of the villain's powers? He'll have the powers of everyone he meets as well :/ The only solution i can think of is the Haitan. Surely he doesn't know of his existance? Otherwise he'd have done his best to make sure he was dead already. I guess Sylar could stop him though, he'd just have to steal a few powers first. EDIT: On that thought, maybe Sylars power progresses in to that absorbtion one? Now that'd be something to see! Also, do you think Mr Petrelli is going to suffer "The Hunger"?
Dan_Dare Posted October 21, 2008 Posted October 21, 2008 Reveal hidden contents how Adam died. His power got taken away and his age took effect. Boy got Last Crusaded!
EEVILMURRAY Posted October 22, 2008 Posted October 22, 2008 Mokong X-C said: In a word, YES. If he was to be "reset" he should only have his original power, to say he was "reset" with the exception of one makes no sense:blank: You almost make it sound as if it should make perfect logical sense ¬_¬ I almost wrecked some episodes, as I had to quickly delete the spoiler moments.
flameboy Posted October 22, 2008 Posted October 22, 2008 Just watched episode 4, so it turns out Sylar never had to even see the brain he could just work out how their power works...seems mental to think Peter is now as bad as him.... Lots going on and it seems very odd...but I am still hooked!
Ganepark32 Posted October 22, 2008 Posted October 22, 2008 Yeh just watched episode 4 on BBC2 and wow. Brilliant. Keeps getting better. Kinda want to watch the next episode on BBC3 but I'll abstain and wait till next week.
flameboy Posted October 22, 2008 Posted October 22, 2008 I never expected them to be quite as extreme with the heroes and villians thing as they have been.
Ganepark32 Posted October 22, 2008 Posted October 22, 2008 Likewise although it appears that they are trying to show that the distance between hero and villain isn't so clear. Well, that's how it appears to me.
Japjer Posted October 22, 2008 Posted October 22, 2008 McPhee said: Reveal hidden contents Maybe he simply wants to be the most powerful? I'd say that Peter is more powerful than Mr Petrelli, with Sylar 3rd. The question i've been wondering is who is gonna stop Mr Petrelli now? He can absorb powers without physical contact, so surely he's gonna take all of the villain's powers? He'll have the powers of everyone he meets as well :/ The only solution i can think of is the Haitan. Surely he doesn't know of his existance? Otherwise he'd have done his best to make sure he was dead already. I guess Sylar could stop him though, he'd just have to steal a few powers first. EDIT: On that thought, maybe Sylars power progresses in to that absorbtion one? Now that'd be something to see! Also, do you think Mr Petrelli is going to suffer "The Hunger"? Reveal hidden contents I'd say 'the hunger''s primary objective isn't to kill people to get powers, it's simply to get powers and since he could already obtain those powers by just touching them, I assume he either already had the hunger or will never get it. As for Sylar & his power reset, he also used his super-hearing that he got from the mechanic-lady. He used it to eaves-drop the conversation Claire & Noah had with the vortex-guy.
ShadowV7 Posted October 22, 2008 Posted October 22, 2008 Here's a question for everyone here. What powers have characters used when the Haitian is present? I know there's been some, just can't remember what because... Reveal hidden contents I'm thinking he can only block natural powers and not synthetic ones.
Platty Posted October 22, 2008 Posted October 22, 2008 Reveal hidden contents was gutted about Adam. Whys?????
Ganepark32 Posted October 22, 2008 Posted October 22, 2008 The only one I've seen someone use when the Haitian is present, i.e. standing/sitting and not knocked out you know, was Parkman when he first found out about his power in the Bar. Daphne used hers when the Haitian was sort of knocked out so that one doesn't count. But then yeh that would support your theory.
ShadowV7 Posted October 22, 2008 Posted October 22, 2008 I think at the bar it didn't work and he only heard static when trying to read his mind or something. It makes one less plot hole
Mokong Posted October 22, 2008 Posted October 22, 2008 ShadowV7 said: Here's a question for everyone here. What powers have characters used when the Haitian is present? I know there's been some, just can't remember what because... Reveal hidden contents I'm thinking he can only block natural powers and not synthetic ones. You could be onto something there.... Reveal hidden contents Does this still need to be spoilered? Anyway, I think in season 1 didn't Nathan fly away from HRG and the Haitian? That is the only moment I can think of where a power was used, and certainly could support your theory
ShadowV7 Posted October 22, 2008 Posted October 22, 2008 I wasn't sure if it got mentioned in the episode that aired in Britain so I tagged it just incase. It got mentioned at the end of the episode I think.
Hero-of-Time Posted October 23, 2008 Posted October 23, 2008 Mokong X-C said: Reveal hidden contents Does this still need to be spoilered? Anyway, I think in season 1 didn't Nathan fly away from HRG and the Haitian? That is the only moment I can think of where a power was used, and certainly could support your theory Yup, that did happen in season 1. It was when they caught him and he flew off and met Hiro Very interesting theory you have there, Shadow.
ReZourceman Posted October 23, 2008 Posted October 23, 2008 Probably been discussed already...but... Reveal hidden contents Erm...doesn't Sylar have super hearing?
Dante Posted October 23, 2008 Author Posted October 23, 2008 Reveal hidden contents The scene: a cozy New York apartment on the L.A. set of Heroes in August, where an ordinary man trying very hard not to become an extraordinary monster pops the cork on a champagne bottle. ''The ziti smells terrific!'' says Gabriel Gray (Zachary Quinto), calling out to the woman who's minutes away from damning him to his predestined future as a brain-mutilating serial killer. Her name is Elle (Kristen Bell), and not only does she emerge from the kitchen sporting a Betty Crocker smile and holding the aforementioned Italian casserole, she also promises him a tasty side dish — in the form of a scruffy dinner guest who possesses a secret power. ''He's special too,'' she coos. It's all part of a pivotal Heroes flashback episode airing Nov. 10, which tells the origin stories of the series' key supervillains, including Gabriel/Sylar. Watching the cast and crew, it is clear they're laboring hard to make the fantasy feel real and unique. ''I want to do something different,'' Quinto tells director Allan Arkush as they refine a fight sequence. ''I think I want to rip my glasses off.'' The work seems to pay off: By afternoon's end, Quinto & Co. have concocted a clever, creepy scene, worthy of Heroes at its very best. But how many of you will still be around to watch it? That's the urgent question facing Heroes and several other returning shows that have found themselves struggling to regain their audiences after being out of sight, out of mind for as long as nine months — a consequence of not coming back last spring following the writers' strike. The show is now averaging only 9.4 million viewers, down from last year's 11.6 million average. And the Oct. 6 episode notched its lowest number ever at 8.2 million viewers — a far cry from its peak performance of 16 million in season 1. But not all the news is bad: Season 3's first two episodes averaged 3.1 million DVR viewers over seven days, a jump of 5 percent from last fall. And while the drama has taken a tumble in overall viewers, it ranks eighth — same as last season — in the advertiser-coveted 18-49 demo. Heroes may no longer be a pop culture phenomenon, but it is still a good, though not great, performer for NBC. Problem is, good might not be good enough. To hear series creator Tim Kring tell it, Heroes needs to be — or, at least, needs to be seen as — zeitgeist-tapping, blockbuster event television in order to remain viable. As Kring told EW in September: ''Looking at the state of serialized TV, the shows that succeed are rare. You wait months for [shows like Lost and The Sopranos] to come back, and when they do, there's a smaller amount [of episodes], which makes them feel special. It's hard to stay special if you're on all the time.'' To keep Heroes buzzy, Kring last season adopted a strategy of dividing each season into shorter ''volumes,'' which he hoped would ''build toward exciting finales and create excitement in between story lines.'' Yet has the third-volume Heroes met Kring's own criteria for vitality? Many critics and fans don't think so. ''Villains,'' now at its midpoint, has embroiled its core characters — including time-traveling Hiro Nakamura (Masi Oka), power sponge Peter Petrelli (Milo Ventimiglia), and quick-healing Claire Bennet (Hayden Panettiere) — in a comic-bookish yarn about a prison break of mutant baddies and a mystery menace aspiring to unleash superpowered anarchy upon the world. The episodes have certainly addressed many complaints about Heroes' poorly received second season: The pace is quicker, the premise has been clearly established, and most of the characters have been plugged into the central arc. Unfortunately, though, last year's bugs have been replaced by new ones. And they must be stopped. NBC's No. 2 drama won't ever reclaim its status as a ratings powerhouse, but it can regain its creative glory — provided producers start fixing things now. In order to speed things along, we present our five-point plan to save Heroes...from itself. PROBLEM 1: TOO MANY HEROES SOLUTION: RETIRE SOME CAPES With a sprawling cast, Heroes has many story lines to feed — and not enough time to nourish all of them. In the season 3 premiere, the show banished telepathic cop Matt Parkman (Greg Grunberg) to Africa for a multi-episode arc that had him wandering through the desert with a Noble Black Man (mystic Bushman edition), who gave him some magic paste and a Walkman that allowed him to view future events that had more to do with Peter than himself. Put another way, Heroes sent Parkman to Africa to...watch an episode of Heroes! Parkman, so meaningful to the Volume 1 narrative, seems tapped out. Ditto Suresh (Sendhil Ramamurthy), whose transformation into a mad, gooey human insect qualifies as blatant pop culture theft (see: The Fly). Yes, the character plays a role in the larger ''Villains'' story; the scientist will soon be forced to share his latest breakthrough (he's figured out the source of superpowers) with recently revealed überfiend Arthur Petrelli (Robert Forster). But that will make this the third straight season Suresh has ended up working for the bad guys as part of the story's endgame. Kring originally envisioned Heroes as a series that constantly refreshed itself by routinely phasing out characters, but he backed off after the show became a ratings hit — making the cast breakout stars — in season 1. Three seasons later, however, it's time to trim the fat by either killing some top-tier Heroes (hello, genuine life-and-death stakes!) or giving one or two a permanent happy ending. Then shore up the audience's emotional investment with the show's favorites by adding more single-character episodes like ''Company Man,'' the season 1 classic that focused almost exclusively on H.R.G. (Jack Coleman). PROBLEM 2: ABSURD PLOT TWISTS SOLUTION: MAKE THE HEROES SMARTER Nothing undermines creative integrity like making characters act out of character just for the sake of advancing plot. Yet Heroes has recklessly committed this sin more than once this season. Included in the hard-to-swallow idiocy was a suddenly powers-hungry Suresh, as well as flying man Nathan Petrelli's (Adrian Pasdar) utterly unconvincing religious conversion and boneheaded choice to heed career advice from his dead nemesis Linderman (Malcolm McDowell). But the most egregious development has involved one of the show's best assets, Hiro. Having him blithely embark on a potentially world-destroying adventure simply because he was bored? That's just lazy writing. According to one insider, some of the actors were bothered by these leaps in character logic, but were told they were necessary evils as part of a larger reboot plan. Still, to crib the title from Oka's summer movie hit: Get Smart. PROBLEM 3: OVERHEIGHTENED REALITY SOLUTION: GET BACK TO THE HEROES' ROOTS Kring once made a vow never to introduce characters with silly powers. That promise was officially obliterated on Oct. 13, when Heroes gave us a villain who could...create black holes? Maybe we're too nerdy for our own good, but that's jump-the-shark preposterous. Still, that's a quibble compared with the larger, more alarming paradigm shift that's taken place. Once, Heroes was a show that had at least one foot firmly on the ground. Claire was a high school cheerleader. Peter was a nurse struggling with finding his life's purpose. Niki/Jessica (Ali Larter) was a single mom making ends meet by webcam stripping. This quality always made Heroes relatable even when it got incredible. These days it seems everyone is working for some nefarious and shadowy agency, or stuck in a lab, or hanging with other freaks in exotic settings. Fortunately, Kring agrees that some sense of plausibility is essential to the series. ''There's a premise to the show that we are actually trying to get back to more and more — the idea that ordinary people have been chosen for something extraordinary,'' he told EW. ''It's what made the Harry Potter series so great, the idea that the most disenfranchised kid — the kid who lived under the crawl space of the stairs — could be chosen for greatness. That's an archetypal idea that has tremendous resonance.'' PROBLEM 4: STALE STORYTELLING SOLUTION: GET A NEW BAG OF TRICKS Heroes used to be the most surprising show on TV. Now it's become painfully predictable. Among the storytelling devices that the show uses far too much: time travel, prophetic paintings, apocalyptic scenarios that must be averted, secret formulas that give or take away powers, wrestling with new/out-of-control powers, be-careful-what-you-wish-for thematics, and absolute-power-corrupts-absolutely moralism. The elimination priority is time travel: The constant commuting of characters between past, present, and (alternate) futures has become confusing and is turning continuity into hole-ridden Swiss cheese. Also: Refresh the settings. The overreliance on Isaac's loft (now Suresh's lab), the Company's basement, and Claire's house has only accentuated the pervading dullness of the series. ROBLEM 5: HEROES IS TOO DISPOSABLE SOLUTION: FIND A BIG VISION — AND SET AN END DATE After its own uneven third season, Lost staged a remarkable comeback due in large part to ABC's willingness to let the producers tell a long-term story through shorter seasons that would ultimately end the series itself. Heroes should seriously consider stealing a page from that script. Fewer episodes for each volume will translate into more meaningful episodes for each season. And with an expiration date, Heroes can instill an ongoing mythic arc that keeps viewers hooked for the long haul. In Kring's mind, the show already has that kind of meta-narrative: ''Heroes is, at its heart, a family drama that deals with two main families in particular, the Bennet family and the Petrelli family,'' he said. Sorry, but that's not compelling enough. Both The Sopranos and Lost found epic traction by embracing second chances and fate as grand themes. Heroes should do the same, and explore those ideas through a single central character. The best news about Volume 3 is that it has suggested a story line that can shoulder that weight: the redemption of Sylar. Can TV's most engrossing villain possibly become its most riveting hero? It's a question that upcoming episodes will continue to investigate and could be worthy of at least two more seasons. Heroes once seemed poised to become a geek-era Law & Order franchise for the network, and a prestige property capable of generating big ratings, Emmy nominations, and even spin-offs. Now it seems the best the show can hope for is to be a solid genre series that satisfies a smaller group of rabid fans. Consistency will be key. Though ''Villains'' has recently shown some signs of improvement, Heroes shouldn't make a habit of ass-saving finishes; eventually, even fans will lose faith. The next volume, ''Fugitives,'' launching early next year, offers a fresh start. The story will again focus on core characters and enmesh them all in a plot that Kring says was inspired by current events pertaining to homeland security, invasion of privacy, and the war on terror. ''It's going to be an absolute blast,'' he told EW. ''There's nothing in it that resembles anything from 'Villains.' It's brand-new storytelling, and there's a wide-open road in front of us.'' Here's hoping it doesn't lead into another black hole.
McPhee Posted October 23, 2008 Posted October 23, 2008 Japjer said: Reveal hidden contents I'd say 'the hunger''s primary objective isn't to kill people to get powers, it's simply to get powers and since he could already obtain those powers by just touching them, I assume he either already had the hunger or will never get it. As for Sylar & his power reset, he also used his super-hearing that he got from the mechanic-lady. He used it to eaves-drop the conversation Claire & Noah had with the vortex-guy. Reveal hidden contents Peter can obtain powers just by being around people though, and he suffered the hunger. He tried to kill Nathan and Angela.
flameboy Posted October 24, 2008 Posted October 24, 2008 Perhaps the Hatian has to actually do something in his mind to block peoples powers which is why Nathan was able to fly away in season 1?
ShadowV7 Posted October 24, 2008 Posted October 24, 2008 I'm gonna stick to the synthetic theory just now But you might be right, we just need more information on it first.
Eddage Posted October 24, 2008 Posted October 24, 2008 Didn't Elle use her electro powers on Peter when her and the Hatian were chasing after Peter and Adam in the second series?
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