Caris Posted September 8, 2006 Posted September 8, 2006 Hell, even its best games, like Mario, Zelda and Metroid, wouldn’t really qualify as hardcore How can a "gamer" say something like this, no matter how much you hate the rival system...
blender Posted September 8, 2006 Posted September 8, 2006 This article is just flamebait. Don't fall for it.
jakeee Posted September 8, 2006 Posted September 8, 2006 In my opinion, a hardcore gamer isn't a Sony/Microsoft/Nintendo fanboy. He/she likes a game as long as it's fun and good. And I think Juan isn't a hardcore gamer
mcj metroid Posted September 8, 2006 Posted September 8, 2006 lol someone got ratty.i wonder what was said to him?waahhhhh ign ps3 has been delayed.
dabookerman Posted September 8, 2006 Posted September 8, 2006 As much as i disagree with him, i think nintendo are putting more effort into pleasing the casuals to the hardcores. It should be 50/50
Pit-Jr Posted September 8, 2006 Posted September 8, 2006 i thought Juan ran the PSP channel. I dont see the big deal with his comments, its just a matter of perception. Im sure hell have his very own Wii on launch day just like the rest of us. I do think that the labeling of video game players as hardcore, casual, or 'non' is both ridiculous and immature though. Nintendo's target is 'people who play video games and have money', just like Sony's and MS
The Bard Posted September 8, 2006 Posted September 8, 2006 Why are people even concerned about this? It's his opinion. Obviously it's misinformed seeing as he doesn't see Zelda, Mario and Metroid as hardcore games, but it happens, he's just being naturally defensive. I daresay many of us did the same when gamecube failed to sell.
Cube Posted September 8, 2006 Posted September 8, 2006 “How is the Wii the only right choice for gamers? Contrary to what you believe, Wii games for the most part ignore “hardcore” gamers. Just look at its lineup. It’s filled with games like Elebits, Super Monkey Ball, Duck Hunt and Excite Truck. So, new and unique is not for hardcore gamers? Neither is stuff related to NES games? Or a fantastic game too difficult for non-hardcore gamers to get anywhere near ton completing? It has a handful of promising games, take Super Mario Galaxy and Wario Ware, but the rest hardly qualify as harcore, And those 2 games alone beat the PS3's launch lineup. PS3 has if that’s the point you want to make. Some examples of these non-existent. games would be nice. Hell, even its best games, like Mario, Zelda and Metroid, wouldn’t really qualify as hardcore.” Just kill yourself now. “The Wii may outsell it (PS3) at launch, but no one cares about those numbers… So, now that the numbers aren't positive for Sony, they suddenly don't matter? With the Wii, on the other hand, developers hesitate calling it a next-gen system now, which isn’t so hot…and this is something both hardcore and casual gamers will definitely notice.” Um...Nintendo themselves aren't calling it Next-Generation. Its a New-Generation console. Finally, why is something that is not officially classed a games console, be the main thing for hardcore gamers?
Fierce_LiNk Posted September 8, 2006 Posted September 8, 2006 Does anyone else hate this whole hardcore gamer/casual gamer...thing? I mean, as long as you enjoy the game, that's fine, right?
Sogyal Posted September 8, 2006 Posted September 8, 2006 ....i thought playing game is to enjoy the fun of game (whatever type or platform they may be)a true gamer will play games that they enjoy
The3rdChildren Posted September 8, 2006 Posted September 8, 2006 I love the console wars. The fact remains, regardless of what Sony say about the Wii (I'm sure they probably made similar comments praising their failed PSP handheld), if Nintendo can see a DS-esque market performance with the Wii then something very magical is coming.
Hero-of-Time Posted September 8, 2006 Posted September 8, 2006 I love the console wars. QFT. If it doesnt get out of hand you can get some pretty interesting discussions going on the forums regarding why people choose a "team" and support them no matter what.
That Guy Posted September 8, 2006 Posted September 8, 2006 Does anyone else hate this whole hardcore gamer/casual gamer...thing? I mean, as long as you enjoy the game, that's fine, right? Yeah, and if you actually refer to yourself as a 'hardcore gamer' the lenses in your glasses are probably bigger than your cock anyway. For me, games are there for people to have fun with. Why does everything always have to be so serious? People swearing and god knows what. Play what you like, don't call someone a dick because they like something different to you. Not really sure what my point was...
Helmsly Posted September 8, 2006 Posted September 8, 2006 Does anyone else hate this whole hardcore gamer/casual gamer...thing? I mean, as long as you enjoy the game, that's fine, right? absolutely Feirce_Link, I've always hated whole hardcore/casuals tags, I think it’s an awful way to label people who buy different games. I don’t know why someone’s choice in games, how many hours they spend gaming or how many reviews they read on the internet before buying it even matters as long as their having fun with it I love the GTA games for example but they seem to always get this casual label put on it and “oh only chavs and people that want to be cool like those games†which is nonsense. QFT. If it doesnt get out of hand you can get some pretty interesting discussions going on the forums regarding why people choose a "team" and support them no matter what. I don’t know…I’ve never read a single console war topic that’s been intelligent, its always cheap digs at a “rival†console that usually the person insulting has never played . A lot of the time its simply sour grapes, someone can’t even bare to cope with the fact that something they don’t own might possibly be good so they mindlessly bash it.
Indie James Posted September 8, 2006 Posted September 8, 2006 Someone correct me if im wrong, but wasn't this guy a part of the nintendo group of IGN when he first started working there, then he went to the group who sort out the sony part of IGN?
conzer16 Posted September 8, 2006 Posted September 8, 2006 Was talking to a guy in The Sony Centre today about Sky HD and Sony Bravias etc when talk inevitably turned to the PS3 delay in Europe. He was furious!!! He basically lambasted SCEE for the delay saying that he was going to turn to Nintendo now without a shadow of a doubt!
punchcard progamer Posted September 8, 2006 Posted September 8, 2006 It's a game where you can drive a car. Go out of a car. Beat down an old lady. And then steal a motorcykel.. That sounds about right Is the old lady the original owner of the motorcycle? Hardcore is those who can be bothered with completing all this shit endless games with 30 hours++ of gameplay without getting bored. Or play ikaruga with one hand on the head and a banana in the mouth. Cassual is those who own a console because the media hypes it, and their friend bought it.
Kazzahdrane Posted September 8, 2006 Posted September 8, 2006 Wow, lots of people here up on their high horses. Casual Gamer: Someone who plays games occasionally just for something to do with a group of friends or to relax. Just the sort of people things like Brain Training and Nintendogs are aimed at (not that everyone can't enjoy these games). "Hardcore" Gamer: Someone who spends a significant amount of their free time playing games, and will often be looking forward to a game some time before it is released. They also walk into games stores usually knowing what they want to buy, rather than to browse. The industry needs both types to survive. Hardcore gamers are great for spreading news about games to their friends and family, and can often be counted on for some guaranteed sales. However, casual gamers is where the real money is made - which is why games like Nintendogs and Brain Training which are aimed at people who don't know much about games sell well, as opposed to say MS Flight Simulator games which are only advertised to people who are already likely to buy them.
DCK Posted September 9, 2006 Posted September 9, 2006 So the Wii is a console for everybody and the PS3 is for the hardcore gamer - the 16-year old with purple skin due to lack of sun and too much acne, does bad in school, has no off line friends and uses his keyboard/PS2 controller as a pillow? Yeah that's something to be proud of.
Raven Posted September 10, 2006 Posted September 10, 2006 that ign roundtable was interesting... thanks Yenrug! i will say that im not fussed about the comments made. people will always get aggressive when it comes to 'team competition', and thats all this boils down to. Juan barracks for Sony, and will be blind to any other team being half decent, even if its completely obvious. as for the hardcore/casual gamer thing.... well i think its a matter of research. as mentioned earlier, if you are posting within this forum, you would possibly be considered 'hardcore'. i consider anyone who will take the time to look up on the internet, buy a magazine... or whatever as hardcore... its research! anyone in this forum will know more about the next gen systems than most people. and no, im not implying that your glasses are bigger than your cocks.... console wars for me = good thing. keeps the market affordable and drivers the game developers to improve upon themselves. i dont have any arguements with people regarding consoles anymore, simply because i believe in 'each to their own' and 'everything has its own merits'. oh, and i like Mark Ryan Sallee's comments in the roundtable. i also picked up that the playstation editors believed that 'all would be well'. quite amusing really.
demonmike04 Posted September 10, 2006 Posted September 10, 2006 As much as i disagree with him, i think nintendo are putting more effort into pleasing the casuals to the hardcores. It should be 50/50 Agree'd. Most of the games are just like a pick up and play a few minigames, turn off the Wii, go out. Theres a few games which will please the hardcore crowd, game's with deep gameplay and etc. I personally dont care, as flink said, as long as its fun, who exactly cares? I'd personally say a hardcore game is one were you can play by yourself for hours on end and still have mass enjoyment with it. Its becoming very difficult with this casual/hardcore shit as the gamers are mixing. They've always used this split as a marketing ploy, but its never right. Theres casual gamers buying the 360 and hardcore games, its hard to explain really, but I guess they only judge this divide by the amount of time you spend on average each week playing video games.
gmanprime Posted September 10, 2006 Posted September 10, 2006 Why is it that nobody considers gta to be an inovation. It was ground breaking. Not to mention rediculusly fun, even if you are just runing around trying to get away for the millitary.
Guest Stefkov Posted September 10, 2006 Posted September 10, 2006 Why is it that nobody considers gta to be an inovation. It was ground breaking. Not to mention rediculusly fun, even if you are just runing around trying to get away for the millitary. Yeah it was innovative, i loved trying to get away from the FBI then the army in gta 3 i think, but then they started t make too many, the same thing over again, different person, slightly different islands. (i have never played mario party so i aint sayigna nything about that) I see why they bring out gta 3 onto the psp to sell some psps, but what i dontget is why they brin that psp game out on the ps2, even when its been released for years. anyway why we talking about gta? I consider myself a hardcore gamer, i keep up to date on news, i play games quite a but during my free time, etc etc. so i dont care what some (may regret) ps2 fanboy's say.
DanielTimothy Posted September 10, 2006 Posted September 10, 2006 I think the virtual console is as hardcore as it gets.
pedrocasilva Posted September 11, 2006 Posted September 11, 2006 Listen, since you asked, I’ll tell you what I meant by hardcore. A game, to me, is hardcore when exceedingly difficult, appeals to a small section of the gaming public, and is obtuse in some way or another, whether through its mechanics or theme. Metroid, Zelda and Mario are fantastic franchises that appeal to almost everybody. So, by my definition, which is the only one under attack, none of them qualifies. And that’s all I’m going to say. There’s far too much to do (eating, shaving, watching episodes of Futurama) to spend significant time on any message board arguing about — honestly now — things that don’t matter. Source: http://gonintendo.com/?p=5510 What an ass. He think's he's hardcore with GT4, GTA: SA, RE4 (PS2 edition) and MGS3, (they are the highest rated games in IGN-PS2) and even worse, he thinks game's who appeal to a small public are the industry's driving force... talk about lack of arguments... PS2 is the biggest selling console this generation, thus it appealed to most casual-gamers, talk about hardcore. So interpreting the merge of his two argumentations this past week... the sales of Wii this christmas don't matter because PS3 has harder-harcore games that appeal to a smaller groups of people? I'd like to know what these games are, but I hope he's right, if he is... Wii will simply sell better. I mean... there's nothing more mainstream than PS2... If he wants games who appealed to a small comunity, I'd advise him to look into the GC library. I'd like to know since when is Metroid Prime appealing to everyone, he mustn't have played it nor it's sequel... I'd pay to see this ass playing Ikaruga, if all he wants are dificult games, but I doubt he can get past level one. I love how he runs after saying all that, saying he has a life unlike the forum posters, well Juan Castro, you're a very, very sad man.
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