drahkon Posted September 8, 2020 Posted September 8, 2020 1 minute ago, Julius said: I would expect PlayStation to just match the Series X with the PS5 at £499/€499/$499, and throw the Digital Edition out at £399/€399/$399. While I agree with these price POINTS, has the Series X's price been confirmed? I thought it was just the Series S that got revealed. 2 minutes ago, Julius said: Can't be long now...right? Next week...surely...right? RIGHT?
bob Posted September 8, 2020 Posted September 8, 2020 What if the Microsoft leak was on purpose so Sony would reveal their price, and then Microsoft officially comes out with a different, lower one.
Julius Posted September 8, 2020 Posted September 8, 2020 (edited) 15 minutes ago, drahkon said: While I agree with these price POINTS, has the Series X's price been confirmed? I thought it was just the Series S that got revealed. Yeah, I think you're right. And seeing as I'm leaning towards this being a controlled leak by Xbox, can't help but wonder if that Series X price is bait just to get PlayStation to come out of the coffers? Because Xbox I'm sure are being allowed to be as competitive as they need to be going into this gen (they have no other choice), and as I've mentioned elsewhere before, they have a really bad habit of going first: at E3, the next gen reveal waaaaaaay too early, the console reveal waaaaaaay too early. Maybe PlayStation should wait a little bit longer. I wouldn't put something like this out of the realm of possibility for PlayStation to do (leak a price, get their competitor to match it, then undercut it), and that's the sort of edge and wit Xbox needs to start using to be competitive. Quote Next week...surely...right? RIGHT? Feel like we've been saying that since the event in June leaving it this late is fine (though we're quickly coming up to Switch presentation-to-reveal time), so I don't think it's necessarily just price they're holding out for. I think it might be for the games. I think they want solid release dates for at least the first three months, and want to squeeze in what they can, and have a rough schedule of what we're in for the next six months to a year (from what was already revealed). Like an MCU Phase plan: I mean the PlayStation Studios opening animation is clearly based on something, so might as well go so the way! Edited September 8, 2020 by Julius
drahkon Posted September 8, 2020 Posted September 8, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Julius said: Maybe PlayStation should wait a little bit longer. I think this week with no PS5 news will be enough. They can gauge the gaming community's reaction the the Series S price, if they really waited for Microsoft to reveal a price first, and then go from there. 9 minutes ago, Julius said: I think it might be for the games. I think they want solid release dates for at least the first three months, and want to squeeze in what they can, and have a rough schedule of what we're in for the next six months to a year (from what was already revealed). Agree. Sony never had great launch line-ups, but if they have some big hitters set for the first few months after release it'll be a huge plus. I mean, they're going for software before hardware and it resonates with a lot of gamers (especially those who've experienced the greatness that was PS4 exclusives). Interesting times. Now that Microsoft showed one card of their hand this game of chicken got a lot more interesting Edited September 8, 2020 by drahkon
Map Posted September 8, 2020 Posted September 8, 2020 20 minutes ago, drahkon said: Next week...surely...right? RIGHT? 23 minutes ago, Julius said: Can't be long now...right? Meanwhile at Sony. 2
Julius Posted September 8, 2020 Posted September 8, 2020 Have GAME just resurrected themselves to be relevant again? (Potential) Scoops! I know not to expect anything as PlayStation said no PS5 news this week, but, if the plan was to quickly go second after Xbox, I'm sure they have a strategy to get that ball rolling quickly. Simply Games sent this out the other day too (I remember receiving it)... Hmm. One retailer is one thing, but two? Curious. If not tomorrow, or this week, then yeah, it's got to be reeeeeally soon. Entering 3D Chess territory where I'm questioning if Sony said "no PS5 news this week" as bait for Xbox and had something ready to quickly follow them up... I need to lie down! 1 1
drahkon Posted September 8, 2020 Posted September 8, 2020 Gonna distract myself with Final Fantasy VII Remake 1
drahkon Posted September 8, 2020 Posted September 8, 2020 People already thinking PS5 (Digital Edition) should match the price of the Series S. People should really lower their expectations. PS5 DE is not a lower-spec-console. It's not competing with the Series S. It's just an alternative to offer a digital only console.
Will Posted September 8, 2020 Posted September 8, 2020 Yeah people are bonkers if they think it’s going to compete. Sony are targeting something completely different to Microsoft and a console like the Series S is not part of their plan. Microsoft may have really played a blinder with their $250 pricing. I don’t know exact numbers but I bet the majority of people do not have a 4K TV yet. That little console could do really well over the next few years.
Sheikah Posted September 8, 2020 Posted September 8, 2020 (edited) 58 minutes ago, will' said: Microsoft may have really played a blinder with their $250 pricing. I don’t know exact numbers but I bet the majority of people do not have a 4K TV yet. That little console could do really well over the next few years. Indeed it could. My only thought though is who is it targeting. It would seem to be people who like graphics, but not so much that they would want a console that would display nicely on a 4K TV (because either they don't have one, or aren't planning to get one in the next 7 years). Microsoft have also said that their titles will be compatible with the Xbox One for the next few years, so it may be less of a reason to upgrade for casual gamers. We will see - I expect this to sell very well regardless at that price. Edited September 8, 2020 by Sheikah
Ashley Posted September 8, 2020 Posted September 8, 2020 2 hours ago, drahkon said: Gonna distract myself with Final Fantasy VII Remake Why does this gif not say "Regginess Intensifies"? 1
Ronnie Posted September 8, 2020 Posted September 8, 2020 Microsoft will wish their price for the S hadn't leaked, revealing a £250 next gen box after Sony announces their two prices would have been amazing for them. Very smart move to make a slightly lower spec next-gen console. Let's se how close the disk-less PS5 can get, if they can do £275 or £300 for it that would be acceptable.
Ganepark32 Posted September 8, 2020 Posted September 8, 2020 The people around the net expecting a $100 difference in price between the standard and digital PS5 consoles is ridiculous. I get its probably wishful thinking and the digital console is definitely the one for Sony to push akin to how Microsoft will push the Series S, as a service console, but I just don't see the difference being that big. I'd be very surprised if it was anyway. Its a difficult one to parse for how they'll price the different SKUs because the blu-ray drive isn't the main expense in the production cost, its like the proprietary SSD is. Perhaps they will take a loss on that piece of hardware to drive sales that will lock people into the digital infrastructure where Sony will make a larger portion of month from PSPlus and PSNow subs alongside digital sales of games (though with the latter, it'll be interesting to see if the cut for the digital store holder will be reduced from the standard 30% much like with the Epic Games Store and whether that will be something Sony looks to do to win back some favour with indie devs or if it'll be across both console manufacturers). I don't know. I'd have said at the start of the week we'll get some form of announcement of what Sony has in store next but with them focusing on PSVR this week, I'm not so sure. If there's to be any movement, not necessarily on price but in terms of Sony's next showing, I could see an announcement late Friday for next week but again, they don't seem to be in a hurry to move on it, and rightly so as they know that they'll sell through their console allocation on launch (I know many of us here will be amongst that, myself included hopefully).
Sheikah Posted September 8, 2020 Posted September 8, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Ronnie said: Let's se how close the disk-less PS5 can get, if they can do £275 or £300 for it that would be acceptable. They definitely don't need to go as low as that - the discless PS5 is still a full-fat PS5, whereas the Series S is clearly a lower spec model. I don't imagine the PS5 discless model will be sold for less than 350. Maybe 330 at an absolute push. Not unless Sony are wishing to suffer a big loss, anyhow. Edited September 8, 2020 by Sheikah
Ronnie Posted September 8, 2020 Posted September 8, 2020 14 minutes ago, Sheikah said: They definitely don't need to go as low as that - the discless PS5 is still a full-fat PS5, whereas the Series S is clearly a lower spec model. I don't imagine the PS5 discless model will be sold for less than 350. Maybe 330 at an absolute push. Not unless Sony are wishing to suffer a big loss, anyhow. I wasn't really sure if the disc-less PS5 was lower spec or not, people who aren't clued up on the differences will definitely compare the two.
Will Posted September 8, 2020 Posted September 8, 2020 21 minutes ago, Ganepark32 said: The people around the net expecting a $100 difference in price between the standard and digital PS5 consoles is ridiculous. I get its probably wishful thinking and the digital console is definitely the one for Sony to push akin to how Microsoft will push the Series S, as a service console, but I just don't see the difference being that big. I'd be very surprised if it was anyway. Its a difficult one to parse for how they'll price the different SKUs because the blu-ray drive isn't the main expense in the production cost, its like the proprietary SSD is. Perhaps they will take a loss on that piece of hardware to drive sales that will lock people into the digital infrastructure where Sony will make a larger portion of month from PSPlus and PSNow subs alongside digital sales of games (though with the latter, it'll be interesting to see if the cut for the digital store holder will be reduced from the standard 30% much like with the Epic Games Store and whether that will be something Sony looks to do to win back some favour with indie devs or if it'll be across both console manufacturers). It’s definitely not much of a cost difference in terms of production, I think I saw people saying around $10 to $15 when you’re buying in that sort of bulk. But I think it totally misses the point of having a discless system, anybody that buys this version is completely locked into the PSN ecosystem. Forever. On every piece of content you buy Sony is taking 30%, for first party games it’s 100%, it very quickly adds up to gaining back the loss on console sales. I was thinking it would be around $100 difference between the two, but Sony can afford to go for much more of a loss. Imagine if the disc-based system is $500 and they put the digital version out at $250 - all of a sudden it’s advantage Sony and a lot of people are going to go fo that digital version. Going to be a very interesting couple of weeks as we find out more. 1
drahkon Posted September 8, 2020 Posted September 8, 2020 7 minutes ago, will' said: Imagine if the disc-based system is $500 and they put the digital version out at $250 - all of a sudden it’s advantage Sony and a lot of people are going to go fo that digital version. While that would be incredible for the consumers there is absolute no way this will happen. I'd say $350 for the DE is pushing even my wildest dreams. 1
Dcubed Posted September 8, 2020 Author Posted September 8, 2020 There's no chance of Sony coming close to the Series S price. Hell, they might not even be able to price match the Series X at $500, even with the Digital Only model (Microsoft are already taking a huge loss at that price that I don't think Sony can afford to match).
Will Posted September 8, 2020 Posted September 8, 2020 I’m inclined to agree but I do think it’s possible they go really low with it. I’d say the most risky thing they can do is leave the Series S out there unchecked at a price POINT way below anything else this generation. 1 minute ago, Dcubed said: Series X at $500 Is this confirmed now? Last I saw it’s still just rumored.
Julius Posted September 8, 2020 Posted September 8, 2020 9 minutes ago, will' said: It’s definitely not much of a cost difference in terms of production, I think I saw people saying around $10 to $15 when you’re buying in that sort of bulk. But I think it totally misses the point of having a discless system, anybody that buys this version is completely locked into the PSN ecosystem. Forever. On every piece of content you buy Sony is taking 30%, for first party games it’s 100%, it very quickly adds up to gaining back the loss on console sales. I was thinking it would be around $100 difference between the two, but Sony can afford to go for much more of a loss. Imagine if the disc-based system is $500 and they put the digital version out at $250 - all of a sudden it’s advantage Sony and a lot of people are going to go fo that digital version. Going to be a very interesting couple of weeks as we find out more. Yeah, I agree, I think at most you've got that £100/$100/€100 price difference between the Digital Edition and the disc version. Even considering the amount they'll surely make back on digital purchases, I think making it a larger difference would cheapen the difference: you're going to get players on with the disc version (rightly) a little miffed that they're having to pay so much more for BC on the games they have physically, and at the end of the day, the PS5 DE is still just a digital version of the premier PS5 product. A 20% difference or so in price between the two seems feasible and fair, but anymore could cause a bit of a backlash I feel. They can go after the Series S with a Slim DE (would not be surprised if Slims are digital only this time around) in a year or two, but even at that great price, it's still a hard sell for those either embedded in the PS ecosystem or for those expecting more from Microsoft's own offering. I think they're even going to have a tough time of it going after just the FIFA/COD/NFL/Destiny/etc. players as it is, it's very different to jumping ship at the start of this current gen I feel. The exclusives are a much bigger piece of the equation than ever before with these two manufacturers, I think. Personally, I'm much more interested in seeing how Nintendo reacts now. As @Dcubed mentioned, this is a much more powerful console than the Switch and comes in a full £30 cheaper - if we weren't going to see it before, then I have to imagine now that there are talks about a (first!) permanent price cut to the Switch.
Sheikah Posted September 8, 2020 Posted September 8, 2020 7 minutes ago, Ronnie said: I wasn't really sure if the disc-less PS5 was lower spec or not, people who aren't clued up on the differences will definitely compare the two. Yep, the specs are exactly the same apart from the disc drive. I really don't believe there's been any confusion in the messaging there - the digital version is just called the "PS5 digital", and they're exactly the same size (aside from the bulge): Contrast this to the Series S, which is a lot smaller than the Series X and clearly looks to be on a different power level:
Will Posted September 8, 2020 Posted September 8, 2020 3 minutes ago, Julius said: Personally, I'm much more interested in seeing how Nintendo reacts now. As @Dcubed mentioned, this is a much more powerful console than the Switch and comes in a full £30 cheaper - if we weren't going to see it before, then I have to imagine now that there are talks about a (first!) permanent price cut to the Switch. I just can’t see this being a thing. The machines are going after completely different audiences. If I’m in the market for a Switch I’m not going to change over to this as it doesn’t serve the same purpose.
Ronnie Posted September 8, 2020 Posted September 8, 2020 5 minutes ago, Sheikah said: Yep, the specs are exactly the same apart from the disc drive. I really don't believe there's been any confusion in the messaging there - the digital version is just called the "PS5 digital", and they're exactly the same size (aside from the bulge): Oh great, just when I'd forgotten how hideous the PS5 is 1
Goron_3 Posted September 8, 2020 Posted September 8, 2020 1 hour ago, Ronnie said: Microsoft will wish their price for the S hadn't leaked, revealing a £250 next gen box after Sony announces their two prices would have been amazing for them. Very smart move to make a slightly lower spec next-gen console. Let's se how close the disk-less PS5 can get, if they can do £275 or £300 for it that would be acceptable. I doubt it'll be that cheap. Series S is cheaper because it has a much cheaper GPU, and therefore it needs a much cheaper cooling solution and packaging. It also has an off the shelf SSD, unlike the PS5. I'm expecting £399 for the DE PS5 and the £499 for the regular PS5. 1
Sheikah Posted September 8, 2020 Posted September 8, 2020 6 minutes ago, Goron_3 said: I'm expecting £399 for the DE PS5 and the £499 for the regular PS5. You might be right, but 150 more for the cheapest PS5 model than the Series S seems perhaps too much. I'm hoping they manage 350 for it.
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