Cube Posted January 25, 2017 Posted January 25, 2017 (edited) Is it huge? Don't we all presume it'll be somewhere between 20-40 a year? I mean it's not going to be some stupid figure... I think the 'value' is the most important thing. Well, for me, if the price is towards the latter end, it means that essentially Mario Kart and Splatoon 2 are erased from the release schedule, so fewer reasons to get a Switch. Not revealing the price (yet!) is a HUGE issue for a service that's launching properly in Q4? Really? Yes, knowing if I'll be sticking entirely to single-player games (like I do with the PS4) is a pretty important issue for deciding which games I'd potentially buy. Edited January 25, 2017 by Cube
Sheikah Posted January 25, 2017 Posted January 25, 2017 Not revealing the price (yet!) is a HUGE issue for a service that's launching properly in Q4? Really? Yes because 1. it should be launching when the console launches (again, parity - the other consoles had their online features ready at launch) and 2. people don't have sufficient information to know whether the 280 pounds they are paying for the system around now is going to be backed up by a decent online setup. It's pretty poor. Obviously people will still buy it for Nintendo games, but this is a blow for people expecting Nintendo to step up to the plate with regards to online. It all feels very rushed.
Ronnie Posted January 25, 2017 Posted January 25, 2017 Yes because 1. it should be launching when the console launches (again, parity - the other consoles had their online features ready at launch) and 2. people don't have sufficient information to know whether the 280 pounds they are paying for the system around now is going to be backed up by a decent online setup. It's pretty poor. Obviously people will still buy it for Nintendo games, but this is a blow for people expecting Nintendo to step up to the plate with regards to online. It all feels very rushed. It's online (and free) from day 1. Party chat later in the year. If that isn't enough information for people to know whether to buy a Switch now or not then
Sheikah Posted January 25, 2017 Posted January 25, 2017 It's online (and free) from day 1. Party chat later in the year. If that isn't enough information for people to know whether to buy a Switch now or not then But then it's not free after a bit. Can you not see the problem with people buying into something now that later down the line has an undisclosed fee attached to it? Given the offering we know of so far, the fee might well not be viewed as worth it if similar in price to the competition.
Cube Posted January 25, 2017 Posted January 25, 2017 It's online (and free) from day 1. It's temporarily free. Unless you think you'll be utterly bored of a game within 6 months, you can't justify buying any games where the online is important until you know you'll be keeping the online service once it goes to a paid format.
Ronnie Posted January 25, 2017 Posted January 25, 2017 Sheikah said it should be launching when the console launches I replied It's online from day 1
Clownferret Posted January 25, 2017 Posted January 25, 2017 Unless I'm mistaken, Nintendo said you would get a free game for a month. Which is exactly the same as PS+. I don't know how/why this has been interpreted as the game gets taken away after a month. At this point I don't think we know 100% either way but logically it just means it will work exactly the same as PS+. Why would they take the game away?
Sheikah Posted January 25, 2017 Posted January 25, 2017 Sheikah said I replied No, you said "it's launching properly in Q4", to which I said "It (i.e. the thing you just mentioned) should be launching day 1".
Cube Posted January 25, 2017 Posted January 25, 2017 I don't know how/why this has been interpreted as the game gets taken away after a month. Nintendo confirmed that you can no longer play it after the month is over.
Sheikah Posted January 25, 2017 Posted January 25, 2017 Unless I'm mistaken, Nintendo said you would get a free game for a month. Which is exactly the same as PS+. I don't know how/why this has been interpreted as the game gets taken away after a month. At this point I don't think we know 100% either way but logically it just means it will work exactly the same as PS+. Why would they take the game away? 1. It's not exactly like PS Plus, you get a lot more games with Plus, not just one. 2. It's confirmed: Now do you see people's grievance? Seems like you were disagreeing without the full facts.
Ronnie Posted January 25, 2017 Posted January 25, 2017 Unless of course it's £5 a year in which case it's an absolutely fantastic offer. Again, arguing without knowing the facts.
Cube Posted January 25, 2017 Posted January 25, 2017 Unless of course it's £5 a year in which case it's an absolutely fantastic offer. Again, arguing without knowing the facts. That's exactly the point we're trying to make - it's not something you can make a decision on if Nintendo refuse to tell us the facts.
Ronnie Posted January 25, 2017 Posted January 25, 2017 That's exactly the point we're trying to make - it's not something you can make a decision on if Nintendo refuse to tell us the facts. Fair enough, then as you say, don't buy a Switch until you're told exactly how much online will cost in Q4, whether it's £20 or £40 a year.
Goron_3 Posted January 25, 2017 Posted January 25, 2017 Unless of course it's £5 a year in which case it's an absolutely fantastic offer. Again, arguing without knowing the facts. That's the point - they haven't confirmed the finer details yet. You've literally just agreed with the point that the others are discussing Edit. Just seen your reply. Nintendo can't afford to put them in a position whereby they give people a reason not to buy their consoles. They need this thing to sell well. They've streamlined their software and hardware development into one - their future is dependent on the success of this machine. Giving people a reason not to buy the hardware is not good enough.
Nicktendo Posted January 25, 2017 Posted January 25, 2017 Imagine buying an expensive phone on a tariff that was free for a few months, but then they started charging you if you wanted to carry on using it to communicate. Now imagine if you had no idea what that amount would be once they started charging you - could be a lot, could be not much. Would you want to take out this contract? Some people will take it out, because in this analogy I'm going to say it's an iPhone and people want it for other reasons. But can you not see how this approach is a) a bit shit and b) going to put some people off? I think people would just simply not buy it instead of spending hours on a forum complaining how the phone maker doesn't care about them / cater to their needs. If you don't like what Nintendo is offering with the Switch, don't buy it. It really is that simple. Nintendo will never listen to a bunch of hardcore western gamers are saying on a niche forum no matter how loudly they complain. Have you tried complaining to the directly? Tweeting them? Made a YouTube video about it? This thread is going round in circles. We get it, people are not happy with how Nintendo have released info regarding the Switch or how their approaching certain online services. Don't buy one. In Autumn / Winter you will know what Nintendo is offering with Switch, make your decision then. All this constant whining about decisions just comes across as entitlement. Make your point, sure, but please stop banging on about it and derailing threads.
Rummy Posted January 25, 2017 Posted January 25, 2017 Just to wind this back. Nintendo have said they will launch a new paid for online system whereby you receive monthly games as part of the service. This will include party chat. So pretty much exactly what Xbox Live & PS+ offer. Isn't this what everybody wanted? It's frustrating that they have not decided/revealed what the cost of this will be, but it's pretty obviously going to be somewhere between £20-£40 per year. The voice chat app is probably the only way to go about it considering the console is also portable. So they have given us what we want in the only way that is feasible and the stuff they are not telling us is either blatantly obvious that it probably doesn't require confirmation or is within a margin that will be indifferent to 99% of users. It isn't the same though. For starters - it's not even through the system. Why does an app have to be 'probably the only way to go about it considering the console is also portable'? Why not, oh I dunno, have it work directly through the console considering it's being marketed as a home console. For seconds - why go through the hassle of a custom app, rather than the path of least resistance by making it all console based and just using whatever device you were going to put the app on as a wifi hotspot instead? That's pretty common/standard now tbh. Thirdly it's very different in that the 'monthly game' appears to be a sole single monthly NES or SNES game, compared to more on the other services(not to mention more recent, too), and also that I'm sure it was confirmed the 'monthly game' was actually only playable for that month alone - whereas I understand with at least PS+ you keep everything playable whilst still subscribed; and I'm not 100% on whether it's the same on Xbox Live. A single NES or SNES game, for a month. The only difference I can see in its favour is added online to the old games - something which whilst it sounds nice, is still surrounded in the vagueness of the online setup's details. Really? A HUGE issue! If it turns out to be £80 a year that's a huge issue. If it's £30 then that's not an issue at all, it's just a minor frustration that we don't actually know it yet. I tell you what if it's more than £45 a year, I'll pay your subscription and if it's under £20 you can pay mine. Seems a few people are throwing round speculative promises today! I'd say it's a bit huge - if it's going to be a yearly subscription at £40 a year and the console lasts 4 years and someone buys and uses it for that - it's a whole extra £160 you're putting out. Buying the console almost half commits you to an unknown online service if you want to utilise the thing fully.
Clownferret Posted January 25, 2017 Posted January 25, 2017 I'll be pissed off even if it's £5 per month. I detest this practice of being forced to pay an additional fee to use the console to it's fullest capabilities.
Rummy Posted January 25, 2017 Posted January 25, 2017 If you don't like what Nintendo is offering with the Switch, don't buy it. It really is that simple. What if you love the idea of the hardware but not the software, is it still so simple? What if you DO want the system but can't commit to an unknown online fee on top of the £280 you're going to invest in the system alone? Is it still so simple? This thread is going round in circles. We get it, people are not happy with how Nintendo have released info regarding the Switch or how their approaching certain online services. Don't buy one. In Autumn / Winter you will know what Nintendo is offering with Switch, make your decision then. All this constant whining about decisions just comes across as entitlement. Make your point, sure, but please stop banging on about it and derailing threads. It's still Switch relevant - and the fault lies with the vagueness. I and maybe others can't really say whether we're happy or not 'with how Nintendo are approaching certainly online services' - because we don't bloody know! What makes all of this worse is it seems people such as Ronnie(direct in a few weeks) and Clownferret(games last longer than a month) are offering answers to the conversations that are simply incorrect and otherwise contradictory to what Nintendo themselves have officially been saying. If anything's going to help derail a thread it's continually injecting falsehoods into it as facts - as most will come out to point out the incorrectness.
nekunando Posted January 25, 2017 Posted January 25, 2017 I don't like having to stay subscribed to a service in order to have access to games so I'm not really bothered that the 'free' game on Nintendo's service will be inaccessible after a month. It still gives me the chance to try out games I may not otherwise have considered and help me decide whether to purchase it or not The price will be really important, especially if the 'free' game each month is something I may already own or would have bought anyway. There's so many things to discover about the entire online service that it would help to know at least some information before launch..
ArtMediocre Posted January 25, 2017 Posted January 25, 2017 On a lighter tone; it seems like the developer of Senran Kagura is developing a SWITCH game. He wants to express “softness” with the touch screen and haptic feedback. This will be good guys! Source: GoNintendo
Sheikah Posted January 25, 2017 Posted January 25, 2017 (edited) I think people would just simply not buy it instead of spending hours on a forum complaining how the phone maker doesn't care about them / cater to their needs. If you don't like what Nintendo is offering with the Switch, don't buy it. It really is that simple. Nintendo will never listen to a bunch of hardcore western gamers are saying on a niche forum no matter how loudly they complain. Have you tried complaining to the directly? Tweeting them? Made a YouTube video about it? This thread is going round in circles. We get it, people are not happy with how Nintendo have released info regarding the Switch or how their approaching certain online services. Don't buy one. In Autumn / Winter you will know what Nintendo is offering with Switch, make your decision then. All this constant whining about decisions just comes across as entitlement. Make your point, sure, but please stop banging on about it and derailing threads. I don't think it's that simple. For one, like Rummy says, many people will begrudgingly put up with a service they acknowledge isn't great for the obvious reason of a monopoly (if you want Nintendo games, you need the system). You could say 'vote with your wallet', but then you'd miss out on some pretty cool games. Ultimately whichever choice you make, you're losing out. Then there's also the issue of debating on this forum. Many people discuss Nintendo here because they care about where it's going and how it might affect them, not because they think Nintendo pays notice to what they post (both positive and negative). In the case of the advice 'buy it months after launch', this could have the deleterious effect of causing another Wii U situation in which third parties rapidly flee the console due to the poor console uptake - making the Switch less enticing later down the line. That, again, is another line of discussion. Most of all though, I think people genuinely care about the future of Nintendo and like discussing their actions - both positive and negative. Much like we enjoy discussing many things in life, even though most discussions will never amount to any meaningful changes. It's a shame when people do press others about negativity or expression of opinion on here because that is almost always the cause of derailment. Edited January 25, 2017 by Sheikah
Ganepark32 Posted January 25, 2017 Posted January 25, 2017 Zelda, Bomberman, MK8, Arms, Splatoon 2, Mario, Street Fighter, Sonic, Sonic Mania, Steep, Rayman Legends, Binding of Isaac, Fast RMX, Has Been Heroes, SnipperClips, Shovel Knight, Rime and Redout for me in the first nine months. So far at least. Did you get the chance to play the beta for Steep? (you've got a ps4 if I've remembered correctly, don't you?) I'm not sure how that'll run on the Switch given the open world nature of it and that it has a few stutters here and there on the ps4 from my experience, partly because of the speed of everything but probably more to do with the online connection to the servers and the open world structure. While I may not be picking up a Switch I'm interested in hearing how that runs as Steep has been my go to for chilling out over the last month and a bit and while it doesn't quite match SSX for tricks/freestyle, it's still a hell of a lot of fun just exploring. Being able to play that on the go, headphones on and shredding the piste would be amazing, though I suspect it may hit the battery life hard when in the go.
Pestneb Posted January 25, 2017 Posted January 25, 2017 Just seen on GAF that Trump may impose a tax on the gaming industry for non American products and games, which is similar to a policy that the Brazilian currently have. Obviously this would hurt Nintendo and Sony quite a lot. But a good time for Nintendo to have ditched regions...
Happenstance Posted January 25, 2017 Posted January 25, 2017 Have we heard anything yet on eShop prices? Zelda is the only physical game I have preordered but as I was already planning to get I Am Setsuna elsewhere at some point I figured I might just get it on the Switch at launch to make myself feel better about the lineup lol
Sméagol Posted January 25, 2017 Posted January 25, 2017 Starting tomorrow I'll be living in cinemas for the next 10 days. This has the side effect of virtually reducing the wait for my Switch with 10 days, since I'll have nothing else on my mind but film. I've also come around to the idea of the Switch as a portable device. It was never a consideration before pre-ordering, but while I have the option, I may make use of it anyway. A month after the Switch arrives, I'll have my next big film festival, and I can see myself using it during downtime between films, though it depends on which games I have at that point, and if I have a good case / bag for it by then.
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