Cube Posted August 22, 2013 Author Posted August 22, 2013 It's strange, a few years ago this "other consoles" section was mainly Xbox 360 fans (myself included).
Aneres11 Posted August 22, 2013 Posted August 22, 2013 No I haven't held it, but it's the position of the right analogue stick that I have issues with. And that hasn't been changed. So therefore it's gonna be the same unnatural holding position that I don't like. I know for a fact I won't have to try the xbone controller as its virtually the same. Therefore there's no need for me to hold off until I've held one. And I kinda agree Shorty ha. But let's hope there is no new RROD that's gonna plague these consoles!
Zechs Merquise Posted August 22, 2013 Posted August 22, 2013 I hate the Sony pads. Always have. I really liked the 360 pad. But let's look at the last gen: MS came out of the gate with a reasonably priced console. It was for gamers. It came with a headset, had the best online system, had a great library and was marketed well. Their approach worked. Sony came to the party late with a wildly over priced console. It was marketed initially as a multi-media device and wasn't focused on games. It tried to push Bluray and the library of games was lacking. The approach failed. This gen: MS forget everything that happened last gen (much like Nintendo). The come out of the gate with a bloated multi-media device. The device has horrible restrictions on it, tries to push Kinect to everyone and is $100 more expensive than its nearest rival. Sony basically do what MS did last generation. They release a reasonably priced console, for gamers, without restrictions and it's simple and doesn't come with any unwanted peripherals or gimmicks. It's $100 cheaper too. The two big factors for most consumers (not the enlightened forums users) is price and marketing. Last gen MS got that so right, this gen they are getting it so wrong. It's almost like there's been a complete reversal of fortunes. I don't know what has gone on at Nintendo or MS over the past few years, but obviously both companies have lost their grip on reality and what made them so successful. I do however know what has gone on at Sony: they looked at the market, saw where they went wrong, saw where others succeeded and then realigned their business strategy accordingly. Sony deserve the acclaim they are receiving.
Daft Posted August 22, 2013 Posted August 22, 2013 No I haven't held it, but it's the position of the right analogue stick that I have issues with. And that hasn't been changed. So therefore it's gonna be the same unnatural holding position that I don't like. I know for a fact I won't have to try the xbone controller as its virtually the same. Therefore there's no need for me to hold off until I've held one. And I kinda agree Shorty ha. But let's hope there is no new RROD that's gonna plague these consoles! While the position of the sticks hasn't changed, the reshaping of the grips will effect how you both hold the controller and reach the sticks. If you don't like it, then you don't like it but I wouldn't make any assumptions until you held it.
Aneres11 Posted August 22, 2013 Posted August 22, 2013 Yeah I agree with all that Zechs. I'm not sayin people are wrong to go for the ps4 - it looks great. But as an overall package, that's the controller, the games, the possibilities of what's to come, xbone looks the better choice for me. I don't wanna turn this into which is better coz its all personal and that isn't my intention. But just citing the lower price of the ps4 doesn't suddenly show Sony as the better company. Like I say, both consoles are very promising, but given that I favoured the 360's exclusives over the ps3's last gen also helps me make my decision too. But I do get what you're saying totally.
Zechs Merquise Posted August 22, 2013 Posted August 22, 2013 Yeah I agree with all that Zechs. I'm not sayin people are wrong to go for the ps4 - it looks great. But as an overall package, that's the controller, the games, the possibilities of what's to come, xbone looks the better choice for me. I don't wanna turn this into which is better coz its all personal and that isn't my intention. But just citing the lower price of the ps4 doesn't suddenly show Sony as the better company. Like I say, both consoles are very promising, but given that I favoured the 360's exclusives over the ps3's last gen also helps me make my decision too. But I do get what you're saying totally. I totally respect that, because at the moment I too would choose the XBO, mainly because it has dedicated servers for COD and like I said earlier, I prefer the MS exclusives to the Sony ones. But most importantly, I really can't stand the Sony controllers. I've never liked the sticks, they're too loose and the pad just doesn't feel right to me. I'm just saying, I can totally see Sony dominating because I feel mistakes both MS and Nintendo have made are far too big.
Aneres11 Posted August 22, 2013 Posted August 22, 2013 While the position of the sticks hasn't changed, the reshaping of the grips will effect how you both hold the controller and reach the sticks. If you don't like it, then you don't like it but I wouldn't make any assumptions until you held it. K. Not sure how the sticks not moving will ultimately make it any different... But stranger things have happened.
Daft Posted August 22, 2013 Posted August 22, 2013 Tbh, I don't get how a controller that's 100% symmetrical is an issue with someone with symmetrical hands. Now that's strange.
Sheikah Posted August 22, 2013 Posted August 22, 2013 Yeah, it's really not a big issue since you already have your right thumb reaching to the apparently 'uncomfortable' spot yet no one complains about how this is uncomfortable. Yet apparently the left stick in the same place is. I admit it's a fraction comfier to have the left stick in the D-pad position, but nowhere near enough to make me think I'd rather have a One. Also, this position completely destroys D-pad function, which has been shown to work really well with quick item/weapon selection in loads of PS3 games.
Zechs Merquise Posted August 22, 2013 Posted August 22, 2013 That's why I think the best traditional pad is this: Two sticks, both higher up and both more resistive!
Agent Gibbs Posted August 22, 2013 Posted August 22, 2013 Just to add to what you said Zechs, but this role reversal started mid last gen, where sony caught up to MS and started churning out quality exclusives, conversely MS tailed off with the exclusives (and arguably their quality), there were constant menu updates that didn't prove popular. to me the change occured when Kinect and Move came out, Move failed so Sony reevaluated and improved because they needed to, MS saw the Kinect not really take off but as they were so successful they didn't need to change so kept pushing it, and they became a bit blinkered to consumer desires
Cube Posted August 22, 2013 Author Posted August 22, 2013 I totally respect that, because at the moment I too would choose the XBO, mainly because it has dedicated servers for COD From various comments, it looks like their agreement with Microsoft is simply that they can't mention dedicated servers for non-Microsoft platforms. They won't say "no" to dedicated servers on other consoles - just that "we're having to not talk about all of it right now".
Aneres11 Posted August 22, 2013 Posted August 22, 2013 Lol. I know it's probably difficult for some to comprehend, but I think Sony's controllers aren't comfortable. Sorry to upset. ----------- Do we know if achievements and such are still going to be a prominent feature of live? I haven't read up much on that tbh but it's something I did enjoy with the 360. Some games utilised it really well. Did I read somewhere a whole ago that some games would have a higher score than 1000 gamer points too?
Hero-of-Time Posted August 22, 2013 Posted August 22, 2013 (edited) I've always preferred the 360 pad over the PS3 one. I just like the placement of the sticks better. I'm fine using the PS3 pad but given the option I would rather have the 360 pad layout. That's why I think the best traditional pad is this: Two sticks, both higher up and both more resistive! I still haven't tried this pad yet but I really can't see me liking it due to the positioning of the buttons. I'm too used to having them above the sticks rather than below. Do we know if achievements and such are still going to be a prominent feature of live? I haven't read up much on that tbh but it's something I did enjoy with the 360. Some games utilised it really well. Did I read somewhere a whole ago that some games would have a higher score than 1000 gamer points too? The achievements system is staying but it is changing in the way that they are dished out, with things like weekly and community events taking place. Edited August 22, 2013 by Hero-of-Time Automerged Doublepost
Aneres11 Posted August 22, 2013 Posted August 22, 2013 Thanks Hero. Sounds interesting. I wish the xbone was available in 2 colours rather than just black. A white one would've been sweet - even if it would look a bit like a breeze block Also a white controller would be mmmmm. Ill have to check up on these community activity things. Sounds interesting.
Agent Gibbs Posted August 22, 2013 Posted August 22, 2013 with regards to controllers, i think the 360 pad was the best of last gen, for my PS4 i use thirdparty controllers that have a 360 layout i couldn't stand the Sixaxis it came with, and it got gummy sticks But the WiiU pad......you guys need to try it, i like you prefer the 360 layout and thought it would be alien using the WiiU pad.....but WOW its perfect it feels so much more natural to have the sticks in that position
MATtheHAT Posted August 22, 2013 Posted August 22, 2013 (edited) I've never understood the stick placement argument. It is a personal preference because that's what you are used to. It is simple muscle memory that is telling your brain you are comfortable where the sticks are. One is not better than the other, and neither are in the 'wrong' place. If you had said the Triggers on PS3 sucked, or the D-Pad on the 360 were atrocious, then I would understand. Edited August 22, 2013 by MATtheHAT
Jonnas Posted August 22, 2013 Posted August 22, 2013 Tbh, I don't get how a controller that's 100% symmetrical is an issue with someone with symmetrical hands. Now that's strange. You use the left stick and the right stick with equal frequency, making it truly symmetrical? I don't. For me, having the left stick further away from the thumb makes it sore, since I use it most of my gaming time, which is why it doesn't bother me with the right thumb, since I only use the right stick for camera movements and such. We are talking about the Dualshock, right?
Ike Posted August 22, 2013 Posted August 22, 2013 I still haven't tried this pad yet but I really can't see me liking it due to the positioning of the buttons. I'm too used to having them above the sticks rather than below. As I've said before, it doesn't look comfy, but it is. Felt right since the first I used it.
Shorty Posted August 22, 2013 Posted August 22, 2013 Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Wii U Gamepad has digital triggers, no? That's a huge glaring oversight, IMO. The stick position looks good but taking away variable braking/acceleration in racers? No thanks.
Aneres11 Posted August 22, 2013 Posted August 22, 2013 I keep meaning to pick a pro controller up but have heard pretty good things about it. And of course one controller can be better than another. Saying that its all just what you're used to is a bit of a pointless argument. No one was use to a controller like the N64 one but people love that controller. I've played my ps3 loads over the last gen and I'm definitely 'used' to the controller, but I still don't like it and still think its the worst designed controller I've ever used. Personal preference. It's not just me either. Lots of people don't like it. A lot of my mates, work colleagues and even people on this forum have said they're not massive fans.
MATtheHAT Posted August 22, 2013 Posted August 22, 2013 (edited) I keep meaning to pick a pro controller up but have heard pretty good things about it. And of course one controller can be better than another. Saying that its all just what you're used to is a bit of a pointless argument. No one was use to a controller like the N64 one but people love that controller. I've played my ps3 loads over the last gen and I'm definitely 'used' to the controller, but I still don't like it and still think its the worst designed controller I've ever used. Personal preference. It's not just me either. Lots of people don't like it. A lot of my mates, work colleagues and even people on this forum have said they're not massive fans. Nobody was saying a controller can't be better than another. My point was the placement of the sticks on both pads is irrelevant. As one can adapt quite easily between the two after a short time. The PS4 appears to be much better value for money, but that controller... that damn hideous, awful controller. I just don't think I could do it. I hate the PS3 controller with a passion and really didn't enjoy playing games with it, so always bought multi platform games on my 360. The 360 controller is one of the best I've held (if not the best) so I'm already automatically drawn to XBONE just purely on that reason. Yes, it's that important in my decision making! So your basing your decision to purchase a new console on the ergonomics of a controller that you haven't held yet, but are assuming will be just like the previous generation? There are other things to consider. For me that's the controller as I've already mentioned. The play station controller is lol. You have valid reasons for purchasing an Xbox One over a PS4, such as your friends will be buying one, you have some exclusive content that will appeal to you, etc.. But saying the Playstation Controller is 'lol', without giving any sort of coherent argument is not one of them. It is merely a troll comment. Edited August 22, 2013 by MATtheHAT
Aneres11 Posted August 22, 2013 Posted August 22, 2013 A troll argument? Did you read my posts? So my saying that I don't like where the analogue sticks are placed and that I found the controller to be uncomfortable to use because of that is a troll argument? Ok sure. I guess you feel a bit sensitive towards my dislike of the controller but please don't play the troll card just coz my opinion doesn't match yours.
Daft Posted August 22, 2013 Posted August 22, 2013 Yawn, who cares? Aneres11, get your Xbox One and enjoy it.
MATtheHAT Posted August 22, 2013 Posted August 22, 2013 A troll argument? Did you read my posts? So my saying that I don't like where the analogue sticks are placed and that I found the controller to be uncomfortable to use because of that is a troll argument?Ok sure. I guess you feel a bit sensitive towards my dislike of the controller but please don't play the troll card just coz my opinion doesn't match yours. I didn't say it was a troll argument, I said it was a troll comment - which it is.
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