Xbox One Console Discussion

[Sheikah]

One thing I find amusing is that I think a lot of people will opt for "DRM games" on the PS4. I think Sony are going to be competitive with digital pricing (not to mention PS+ games) as well as having lots of sales. People are going to choose these non-trade-able digital versions due to convenience and pricing.

 

Making it optional changes is from a restriction to a feature.

 

Well they will have to be very competitive as often on ShopTo you find a game reaching 20 pounds within a couple of months of release.

[Cube]

I think matching the standard £39.99 price (like the Last of Us) would be enough to entice a lot of people. Even if shops are up to £5 cheaper. Especially so in the USA, where pre-ordering online isn't great.

[flameboy]

I think matching the standard £39.99 price (like the Last of Us) would be enough to entice a lot of people. Even if shops are up to £5 cheaper. Especially so in the USA, where pre-ordering online isn't great.

 

Yeah it's true outside of Amazon Prime, no reliable way to get games on release date online.

[dazzybee]

Celeb you're rationalising some weird stuff between this and the ps4 thread. Yeah a lot of people may choose drm games by going digital, but the key word is CHOICE. And in the other friend defending paying for online, saying google do charge to send emails by advertising... Erm...that's not charging, that's how they get money. Same way Sony get money from licensing on each 3rd party game.

 

Plus is amazing. Love is getting more outdated as time goes n, either way, I feel very strongly that playing online shoud be a free feature of the games we pay a lot of money for. Entice us to pay for your online service with great features, which is what Sony DID so last gen, adding in cloud based services and such would only make plus even more attractive. When they take away our CHOICE things begin to feel a little dirty

[Cube]

Huh? I'm saying that the choice is exactly why digital games will work on PS4.

[Jimbob]

Huh? I'm saying that the choice is exactly why digital games will work on PS4.

 

From what i read, Sony are giving the 3rd party publishers the choice to add DRM to the online capabilities of the games if they are 2nd hand. Basically, the online passes as we see them today would carry over to the next gen for Sony.

 

As for the Xbone, it's screwed unless it changes it's policies. And even then, i doubt people will cross back over to the One.

[The Peeps]

The whole 'you have to connect once every 24hrs' thing... what happens if you don't?

[Cube]

The whole 'you have to connect once every 24hrs' thing... what happens if you don't?

 

You can't play your games until you reconnect.

[MindFreak]

Don't think this has been posted; an interview with anonymous Microsoft representative telling the story behind the DRM. Take it with a grain of salt.

 

>The thing is we suck at telling the story. The whole point of the DRM switch from disc based to cloud based is to kill disc swapping, scratched discs, bringing discs to friends house, trade-ins for shit value with nothign going back to developers, and high game costs. If you want games cheaper then 59.99, you have to limit used games somehow. Steam's model requires a limited used game model.

 

>The thing is, the DRM is really really similar to steam... You can login anywhere and play your games, anyone in your house can play with the family xbox. The only diff is steam you have to sign in before playing, and Xbox does it automatically at night for you (once per 24 hours)

 

>It's a long tail strategy, just like steam. Steam had it's growing pains at the beginning with all it's drm shit as well. [...] For digital downloads steam had no real competition at the time, they were competing against boxed sales. At the time people were pretty irate about steam, (on 4chan too...) It was only once they had a digital marketplace with DRM that was locked down to prevent sharing that they could do super discounted shit.

 

>Think about it, on steam you get a game for the true cost of the game, 5$-30$. On a console you have to pay for that PLUS any additional licenses for when you sell / trade / borrow / etc. If the developer / publisher can't get it on additional licenses (like steam), then they charge the first person more. [...] If we say "Hey publishers, you limit game to 39.99, we ensure every license transfer you get 10$, gamestop gets 20$" that is a decent model... Microsoft gets a license fee on first and subsequent game purchases, compared to just first now? That's a revenue increase.

 

>Competition is the best man, it helps drive both to new heights. See technology from the Cold War. If we had no USSR, we'd be way worse off today. TLDR: Bring it on Steam

 

2/4

 

>Yeah we passed that around the office at Xbox. Most of us were like "Well played Sony, Well played". That being said they are just riding the hype train of ZOMG THEY ARE TRYING TO FUCK US FOR NO REASON. Without actually thinking about how convienent it would be for the majority of the time to not find that disc your brother didn't put back... [...] just simpleminded people not seeing the bigger picture. Some PS4 viral team made them all "U TOOK R DISCS" and they hiveminded.

 

>Everyone and their mother complains about how gamestop fucks them on their trade ins, getting 5$ for their used games. We come in trying to find a way to take money out of gamestop, and put some in developers and get you possibly cheaper games and everyone bitches at MS. Well, if you want the @#$@ing from Gamestop, go play PS4.

 

>The goal is to move to digital downloads, but Gamestop, Walmart, Target, Amazon are KIND OF FUCKING ENTRENCHED in the industry. They have a lot of power, and the shift has to be gradual. Long term goal is steam for consoles. [...] If you always want to stay with what you have, then keep current consoles, or a PS4. We're TRYING to move the industry forwards towards digital distribution... it'sa bumpy road

 

>Publishers have enourmous power. Microsoft is trying to balance between consumer delight, and publisher wishes. If we cave to far in either direction you have a non-starting product. WiiU goes too far to consumer, you have no 3rd party support to shake a stick at. PS4 is status-quo. XB1 is trying to push some things, at the expense of others. We have a vision, we'll see if it works in the coming years

 

>Living room transformation. We want to own the living room. Every living room TV with an XBox on input one. It's the thing that gives the signal to your TV, everything is secondary. The future, where games, TV, internet telephony, all that shit happens magically on some huge ass screen with hand / voice gestures... That's our goal.

 

 

3/4

 

>Google TV + PS4 + Minority report level gestures, that combined with a sick second screen experience (which is really hot for TV, I know I know.. tv tv tv tv tv... but it's fucking sick when you have it). Games will be the same, there are more exclusives to MS then PS atm, and Kinect 2 makes Kinect 1 look like a childs toy.

 

>By default it's on, listening for "Xbox On". You can turn it off tho, and turn the console like OFF off. OFF off is required for Germany / other countries that require it (no vampire appliances) [...] It has to be plugged in for the console to post. You can turn off everything it does from the settings. Think of it like airplane mode for the iPhone. You can't just unplug the cellular radio, but you can turn it off.

 

>Instead of 10mins, is 24hrs for your console, and 1 or 2 at a friends house. Really the majority of people have a speck of internet at least once a day. And if you don't. Don't buy an Xbox 1. Just like if you didn't have a broadband connection don't get Live, and if you don't have an HDTV the 360 isn't that great for you either. New tech, new req. This allows us to do cool shit when we can assume things like you have a kinect, you have internet, etc.

 

>Current plan is basically you're fucked after 24 hours. Yeah... I know. Kind of sucks. I believe they will probably revist the time period and / or find a diff way to "call in" to ensure you haven't sold your license to gamestop or something... but there is no plan YET. I'm hoping the change it, but I don't work on that so I don't have much influence there /sigh

 

>If the power goes out you ain't playing shit. I'm assuming you mean the internet goes out but you have power for TV and Xbox. Yes, You're fucked for single player games. Again, that's the PoR (Plan of record), but I expect it to change after the e3 clusterfuck

 

>What fee? There is no fee to play your games at your friends house. Never has, never will. Even x360 digital downloads could do that.

 

 

4/4

 

>The cloud capabilities is the shit they like the most. We basically made a huge cloud compute shit and made it free. What people are doing with it is kind of cool. THe original intention was to get all the Multiplayer servers not requiring 3rd party costs (Like EA shutting down game servers to cut costs), as well as taking all the games that servers hosted by the clients (Halo, etc), and have all that compute done in the cloud allowing more CPU cycles for gameplay. That will really expand what developers can do. Anything that doesn't need per frame calculation and can handle 100ms delays can be shifted to the cloud. That's huge.

 

>SmartGlass + IE is going to be pretty freaking sweet. 1 finger cursor, 2 finger direct manip. Basically if you think of a laptop trackpad where your phone/ slate is the trackpad and the monitor is your TV... it's that. The tech is there, just needs to be applied. There is some really cool shit going on with Petra + controllers that pairs people with controllers. So if person with controller two trades controlers with controller 1, their profiles magically switch. It's sick. What does this matter? Now if you lean left/right it knows which person is leaning, even if 4 people are all int he same room. It's awesome.

 

>New service using Azure for cloud compute. Allows developers to not use clients for hosting multiplayer servers, or other tasks that do not require per frame calcuations. It's pretty sweet.

 

>Honestly, if you care about anything other then pure games AT ALL. Xbox 1 > PS4. If all you do is play games, and nothing else, PS4.

 

This was all from the Microsoft engineer that was on /b/ last night.

 

>It's not worth my time to prove it, or risk my Job. I work in Studio A, 40th ave in Redmond, Wa. The thai place in the studio cafeteria has double punch wednesdays. Go ahead and call them and verify if you want.

 

If games indeed become cheaper on Xbone then that solves part of the problem. The 24 hour check still sucks for many people but not a dealbreaker for me as my internet connection is fast and stable. I see the problem, though, and I think it should be reconsidered; just once a week or something like that would be much, much better.

Edited June 14, 2013 by MindFreak

[Cube]

Sounds like complete rubbish when you consider that the following would solve all the price and Steam competition problems:

 

1. Make the digital versions cheaper.

 

Done. All the "issues" with a "used game possibility fee" affecting the price of game is now gone, as people buying disc versions are paying that "fee". The DRM is not and option and the prices would entire a lot of people. Everyone is happy (except retailers, but they're getting less fucked than the current plan).

[Agent Gibbs]

if that was their intention then why didn't they go completely digital? have a 1tb HDD and have all games at PC prices? then people would realise the situation more. as it stands they have this bastardised version of a steam, and a completely terrible PR team telling you if you don't like it get 360 or a rivals console

 

whatever they are smoking i don't want any

[Fierce_LiNk]

Thinking of all this Kinect stuff, wouldn't a better name for the system be Xbox ON?

[Cube]

if that was their intention then why didn't they go completely digital? have a 1tb HDD and have all games at PC prices?

 

It is all digital. You have to install the discs.

[MindFreak]

Thinking of all this Kinect stuff, wouldn't a better name for the system be Xbox ON?

 

I thought about the name when it was unveiled and I think they just wanted a pun on "ON" so they went with "ONE". I don't get it but it sounds like "ON". Just like Kinect sounds like "connect" and has a reference to "Kinetic". This is just a bit more clever.

[Agent Gibbs]

It is all digital. You have to install the discs.

I mean No disks at all by that, just digital download only

 

if they want disks to be nothing more than an install, and optional thing if they don't want digitial, why not make their vision be more true to those supposed intentions and just do away with disks, make a PSPgo situation, not even have a disk drive at all and reduce that massive cost

 

it just seems like a concocted answer to fit the terrible situation they've got themselves in

Edited June 15, 2013 by Agent Gibbs

[Choze]

What about the games you buy digitally without a disk. What happens to those?

[Fierce_LiNk]

I thought about the name when it was unveiled and I think they just wanted a pun on "ON" so they went with "ONE". I don't get it but it sounds like "ON". Just like Kinect sounds like "connect" and has a reference to "Kinetic". This is just a bit more clever.

 

It doesn't really work as a pun, though. In my opinion, anyway. One and ON don't sound similar enough. Connect and Kinect, do. It looks similar (I guess) written down, but verbally I wouldn't put it down as a pun.

 

I took it as them meaning they wanted to be the number one. As in, the number one gadget in the house, in control of everything, including the TV. Either that, or they're restarting their brand and the next console will be the XBOX Two. Maybe.

[James]

If you want to play a game you own at your mates house you have to login and wait for the fucking thing to download and install?

You'll have left his house and gone home to bed by the time it's downloaded.

[MindFreak]

Presumeably just a part of the game has to be downloades bedre you Can start gaming.

[Cube]

If you want to play a game you own at your mates house you have to login and wait for the fucking thing to download and install?

You'll have left his house and gone home to bed by the time it's downloaded.

 

You can install it from the disc and "authenticate" by logging into your account.

 

Although one flaw is having to type your password using the on-screen keyboard.

[jayseven]

If games end up cheaper they yay.

 

If not? I guess I give up on 'next gen' gaming and just read more books instead. Even if that just seems like spoiling the vote card and thus having no say at all... But ultimately we are dealing with companies, and companies want to make money. So long as there are paying customers they will continue. The article a few pages back that discussed art in relation to gaming struck a chord with me. For decades -- for generations games have strived to be treated akin to novels and movies, to be treated as if they are an art form, able to manipulate our emotions and provide new and stirring experiences... but this coming generation is firmly stanced in the business arena. What is interesting is, comparing to previous generations, there is absolutely no bother about graphics or loading times or processing power. We are talking about consumer rights, social issues and privacy conditions. For a pastime/hobbie/interest, these are remarkably serious topics to have to deal with. The power is shifting far too much, in a time where we are looking at a triple-dip recession, where corporations are making profits while the price of bread is rising and minimum wage stagnating... I just have to take a step back and think. Is experiencing a 'new generation' of gaming really worth it? Just because the novelty of it all is repeatedly blasted at us... just because we are told that things will change soon... do we need to accept it? Can't we just... enjoy something else instead?

 

... Sorry, but man, life is too short. Fuck games, I'm gonna go do something productive instead. Seriously. Save your money. Buy cigarettes instead.

[Nolan]

Well....that's a shit fucking argument.

 

It is similar to steam, I can get behind that it doesn't bother me. The 24 hours requirement does, but that's neither here nor there at the moment. Steam's end-line goal was never "Hey, DRM means cheaper games hur hur hur" The majority of games release at full fucking price unless they're late ports or indie titles. Steam is able to do sales, but the games aren't actually cheaper...unless this PR is merely comparing to XBL Digital titles where they have inconsequential sales and the price rarely changes.

 

and Kinect 2 makes Kinect 1 look like a childs toy.

 

Kinect 1 was a childs toy. Kinect 2 is the NSAs toy.

 

ensure you haven't sold your license to gamestop or something...

 

I fucking hate the idea that we are merely acquiring licenses giving us permission to play....They can suck a fat one at that.

 

The cloud capabilities is the shit they like the most. We basically made a huge cloud compute shit and made it free. What people are doing with it is kind of cool. THe original intention was to get all the Multiplayer servers not requiring 3rd party costs (Like EA shutting down game servers to cut costs), as well as taking all the games that servers hosted by the clients (Halo, etc), and have all that compute done in the cloud allowing more CPU cycles for gameplay. That will really expand what developers can do. Anything that doesn't need per frame calculation and can handle 100ms delays can be shifted to the cloud. That's huge.

 

Why not Dedicated Servers? Hell, user owned and run Dedicated Servers, works great for PC....

 

SmartGlass + IE is going to be pretty freaking sweet. 1 finger cursor, 2 finger direct manip. Basically if you think of a laptop trackpad where your phone/ slate is the trackpad and the monitor is your TV... it's that.

 

Or...I'll browse the internet on a browser that isn't shit?

 

 

 

I know I'm truly responding to anyone, and no one of import will read this, but fuck sometimes it feels good to argue nothing.

 

https://twitter.com/XboxSupport1/status/345338828606812160

Q: If my XBOX LIVE account was banned, would I continue to have access to my XBOX ONE games?

A: If your account is banned, you also forfeit the licenses to any games that have licenses tied to it as listed in the ToU

 

Sickening....

[Mokong]

I know I'm truly responding to anyone, and no one of import will read this, but fuck sometimes it feels good to argue nothing.

 

https://twitter.com/XboxSupport1/status/345338828606812160

Q: If my XBOX LIVE account was banned, would I continue to have access to my XBOX ONE games?

A: If your account is banned, you also forfeit the licenses to any games that have licenses tied to it as listed in the ToU

 

Sickening....

 

 

Well I guess that would be one way to try spot people from breaking rules or whatever.

 

"Play nice or we will pretty much brick your console"

 

One thing to just ban people from online play...banning them from using their games offline.... I'm sure that has to be breaking some sort of consumer right laws?

[Shorty]

Can we nip that one in the bud ^ it has been clarified as a mistake and not relating to the Xbox One.

 

 

We have no info on the Xbox One ban situation. The Tweet that is being referenced was a mistake, it was about Xbox 360. ^CW

[James]

Can we nip that one in the bud ^ it has been clarified as a mistake and not relating to the Xbox One.

 

 

Is this not the problem with Microsoft at the mo. They seem to be shooting them self in the foot everytime someone asks them a question.