Xbox One Console Discussion

[m_fergy]

If no publisher blocks trading games, you still have the following problems:

 

- No lending a game to a friend

- You can only trade in at selected retailers.

- No private selling (Amazon Marketplace/eBay)

- No game will work if you're disconnected for over 24 hours.

 

Ok fair point on the lending a game to your friend (Never lent a game in years)

 

But if there are no restrictions on games then selected retailers and private selling are not points

[Cube]

But if there are no restrictions on games then selected retailers and private selling are not points

 

No, the two things are separate.

 

Those points are part of the console. The Xbox One can't run games from the disc. They're installed on the console and the disc is discarded. If you send someone the disc, it's useless.

 

It's like buying an eShop code from a shop, but having the data put on your console without needing to download it.

 

Microsoft are only allowing approved retailers to deal with trading these digital games, and publishers can block these trades.

[m_fergy]

No, the two things are separate.

 

Those points are part of the console. The Xbox One can't run games from the disc. They're installed on the console and the disc is discarded. If you send someone the disc, it's useless.

 

It's like buying an eShop code from a shop, but having the data put on your console without needing to download it.

 

Microsoft are only allowing approved retailers to deal with trading these digital games, and publishers can block these trades.

 

Really ? Just I thought if there are no publisher restrictions then if I gave you the disc and you install it then you will have to pay a fee to play it. Just like fifa is today

[Cube]

If you gave me an Xbox One disc, I'd have to buy the game at full price.

 

The Fifa is an online pass and doesn't affect the singleplayer.

[Jimbob]

Good lord i thought you were exaggerating and you aren't!

saying stuff like MS have all the games, bullshit about DRM, sony only impressed by using flashy tactics and diversionary tactics......

 

 

are they watching E3 in opposite land?

 

Probably were, maybe they were watching the X360 E3 conference or something. I'll laugh when they realise that buying the One will prevent them from lending games to friends, like normal people do.

 

I told my mates the prices of the Xbone and the PS4 and the corresponding DRM's, they are getting PS4's.

[Cube]

Really ? Just I thought if there are no publisher restrictions then if I gave you the disc and you install it then you will have to pay a fee to play it. Just like fifa is today

 

Although, if I was on your friends list for over 30 days, you could gift me the digital version (I would then be unable to trade it further).

 

Which still cuts out private trades.

[Nintenchris]

Most likely means nothing but

Went to my local ebgames to pre-order

There was 9 guys there before me, and they where all there for the Xbox one

Strange thing all but one of them knew what they where getting and what the ps4 is offering

[Shorty]

Don't forget, some people just have a lot of money, if they want to play Halo or whatever, it's not going to matter to them.

 

Also, this used game thing will bother a lot of people, but I pretty much pre-order all my games and rarely sell them. I'm against the whole concept of it but it wouldn't actually affect me.

[bob]

Yeah, if the Xbone becomes heavily discounted i may buy one just to play Halo 5. Or perhaps i'll buy a second hand one so i can still 'stick it to the man' as it were.

[MindFreak]

I think MS had the better conference this year. The flow was way better than Sony's and the games seemed better.

 

That said, I won't buy Xbone this year at least. Maybe a year down the line, when everything has been properly explained and thought out (and revised!).

 

I just really like the controller over DualShock and I'd miss my gamerscore; trophies are not the same in some sense. (Yeah, it's stupid.)

[Jimbob]

Yeah, if the Xbone becomes heavily discounted i may buy one just to play Halo 5. Or perhaps i'll buy a second hand one so i can still 'stick it to the man' as it were.

 

Wait, you can't. It would be offline for more than 24 hours. Most expensive blu-ray player in the world.

[Daft]

Just when you thought Microsoft couldn't have any more shitty PR, EA distance themselves from them.

 

EA Denies Asking Microsoft For Used Games DRM

 

Asked by Polygon whether EA had lobbied Microsoft to implement the restrictions, Moore replied, "Absolutely incorrect. As the guy who is the chief operating officer of Electronic Arts I can tell you that EA did not aggressively lobby for the platform holders to put some gating function in there to allow or disallow used games. I am on record as being a proponent of used games."

 

"EA has never had a conversation", he later adds, "and I have been present at all of them, with all of the manufacturers, saying you must put a system in place that allows us to take a piece of the action or even stop it. Absolutely incorrect."

[Agent Gibbs]

more hilarious "PR" from Don on the Xboned

 

In an interview filmed prior to Microsoft’s E3 2013 press briefing and published on GameTrailers, Microsoft’s Don Mattrick has addressed concerns about the compulsory connectivity requirements of Xbox One.

 

“"Fortunately we have a product for people who aren't able to get some form of connectivity; it’s called Xbox 360,” said Mattrick.

 

http://uk.ign.com/articles/2013/06/12/gamers-without-internet-can-stick-with-xbox-360-says-microsoft

 

the article is epic he actually goes on about people playing xbox on submarines.......

[Jimbob]

I was in GAME yesterday chatting with a few of the staff, they said Microsoft have shot themselves in both feet. Upon asking about pre-orders, they said that the PS4 pre-orders have shot up and the One pre-orders, they've had a couple with 3 people cancelling and going for the PS4 option.

 

They believe (and so do most people) that Microsoft are going to regret going for the DRM restrictions and the always attached spy-camera approach.

 

I pre-ordered a PS4

 

And concerning Don Mattocks latest comments, dear oh dear.

 

Edited June 12, 2013 by Jimbob

[Cube]

One thing I find amusing is that I think a lot of people will opt for "DRM games" on the PS4. I think Sony are going to be competitive with digital pricing (not to mention PS+ games) as well as having lots of sales. People are going to choose these non-trade-able digital versions due to convenience and pricing.

 

Making it optional changes is from a restriction to a feature.

[Sheikah]

One thing I find amusing is that I think a lot of people will opt for "DRM games" on the PS4. I think Sony are going to be competitive with digital pricing (not to mention PS+ games) as well as having lots of sales. People are going to choose these non-trade-able digital versions due to convenience and pricing.

 

Making it optional changes is from a restriction to a feature.

 

Well they will have to be very competitive as often on ShopTo you find a game reaching 20 pounds within a couple of months of release.

[Cube]

I think matching the standard £39.99 price (like the Last of Us) would be enough to entice a lot of people. Even if shops are up to £5 cheaper. Especially so in the USA, where pre-ordering online isn't great.

[flameboy]

I think matching the standard £39.99 price (like the Last of Us) would be enough to entice a lot of people. Even if shops are up to £5 cheaper. Especially so in the USA, where pre-ordering online isn't great.

 

Yeah it's true outside of Amazon Prime, no reliable way to get games on release date online.

[dazzybee]

Celeb you're rationalising some weird stuff between this and the ps4 thread. Yeah a lot of people may choose drm games by going digital, but the key word is CHOICE. And in the other friend defending paying for online, saying google do charge to send emails by advertising... Erm...that's not charging, that's how they get money. Same way Sony get money from licensing on each 3rd party game.

 

Plus is amazing. Love is getting more outdated as time goes n, either way, I feel very strongly that playing online shoud be a free feature of the games we pay a lot of money for. Entice us to pay for your online service with great features, which is what Sony DID so last gen, adding in cloud based services and such would only make plus even more attractive. When they take away our CHOICE things begin to feel a little dirty

[Cube]

Huh? I'm saying that the choice is exactly why digital games will work on PS4.

[Jimbob]

Huh? I'm saying that the choice is exactly why digital games will work on PS4.

 

From what i read, Sony are giving the 3rd party publishers the choice to add DRM to the online capabilities of the games if they are 2nd hand. Basically, the online passes as we see them today would carry over to the next gen for Sony.

 

As for the Xbone, it's screwed unless it changes it's policies. And even then, i doubt people will cross back over to the One.

[The Peeps]

The whole 'you have to connect once every 24hrs' thing... what happens if you don't?

[Cube]

The whole 'you have to connect once every 24hrs' thing... what happens if you don't?

 

You can't play your games until you reconnect.

[MindFreak]

Don't think this has been posted; an interview with anonymous Microsoft representative telling the story behind the DRM. Take it with a grain of salt.

 

>The thing is we suck at telling the story. The whole point of the DRM switch from disc based to cloud based is to kill disc swapping, scratched discs, bringing discs to friends house, trade-ins for shit value with nothign going back to developers, and high game costs. If you want games cheaper then 59.99, you have to limit used games somehow. Steam's model requires a limited used game model.

 

>The thing is, the DRM is really really similar to steam... You can login anywhere and play your games, anyone in your house can play with the family xbox. The only diff is steam you have to sign in before playing, and Xbox does it automatically at night for you (once per 24 hours)

 

>It's a long tail strategy, just like steam. Steam had it's growing pains at the beginning with all it's drm shit as well. [...] For digital downloads steam had no real competition at the time, they were competing against boxed sales. At the time people were pretty irate about steam, (on 4chan too...) It was only once they had a digital marketplace with DRM that was locked down to prevent sharing that they could do super discounted shit.

 

>Think about it, on steam you get a game for the true cost of the game, 5$-30$. On a console you have to pay for that PLUS any additional licenses for when you sell / trade / borrow / etc. If the developer / publisher can't get it on additional licenses (like steam), then they charge the first person more. [...] If we say "Hey publishers, you limit game to 39.99, we ensure every license transfer you get 10$, gamestop gets 20$" that is a decent model... Microsoft gets a license fee on first and subsequent game purchases, compared to just first now? That's a revenue increase.

 

>Competition is the best man, it helps drive both to new heights. See technology from the Cold War. If we had no USSR, we'd be way worse off today. TLDR: Bring it on Steam

 

2/4

 

>Yeah we passed that around the office at Xbox. Most of us were like "Well played Sony, Well played". That being said they are just riding the hype train of ZOMG THEY ARE TRYING TO FUCK US FOR NO REASON. Without actually thinking about how convienent it would be for the majority of the time to not find that disc your brother didn't put back... [...] just simpleminded people not seeing the bigger picture. Some PS4 viral team made them all "U TOOK R DISCS" and they hiveminded.

 

>Everyone and their mother complains about how gamestop fucks them on their trade ins, getting 5$ for their used games. We come in trying to find a way to take money out of gamestop, and put some in developers and get you possibly cheaper games and everyone bitches at MS. Well, if you want the @#$@ing from Gamestop, go play PS4.

 

>The goal is to move to digital downloads, but Gamestop, Walmart, Target, Amazon are KIND OF FUCKING ENTRENCHED in the industry. They have a lot of power, and the shift has to be gradual. Long term goal is steam for consoles. [...] If you always want to stay with what you have, then keep current consoles, or a PS4. We're TRYING to move the industry forwards towards digital distribution... it'sa bumpy road

 

>Publishers have enourmous power. Microsoft is trying to balance between consumer delight, and publisher wishes. If we cave to far in either direction you have a non-starting product. WiiU goes too far to consumer, you have no 3rd party support to shake a stick at. PS4 is status-quo. XB1 is trying to push some things, at the expense of others. We have a vision, we'll see if it works in the coming years

 

>Living room transformation. We want to own the living room. Every living room TV with an XBox on input one. It's the thing that gives the signal to your TV, everything is secondary. The future, where games, TV, internet telephony, all that shit happens magically on some huge ass screen with hand / voice gestures... That's our goal.

 

 

3/4

 

>Google TV + PS4 + Minority report level gestures, that combined with a sick second screen experience (which is really hot for TV, I know I know.. tv tv tv tv tv... but it's fucking sick when you have it). Games will be the same, there are more exclusives to MS then PS atm, and Kinect 2 makes Kinect 1 look like a childs toy.

 

>By default it's on, listening for "Xbox On". You can turn it off tho, and turn the console like OFF off. OFF off is required for Germany / other countries that require it (no vampire appliances) [...] It has to be plugged in for the console to post. You can turn off everything it does from the settings. Think of it like airplane mode for the iPhone. You can't just unplug the cellular radio, but you can turn it off.

 

>Instead of 10mins, is 24hrs for your console, and 1 or 2 at a friends house. Really the majority of people have a speck of internet at least once a day. And if you don't. Don't buy an Xbox 1. Just like if you didn't have a broadband connection don't get Live, and if you don't have an HDTV the 360 isn't that great for you either. New tech, new req. This allows us to do cool shit when we can assume things like you have a kinect, you have internet, etc.

 

>Current plan is basically you're fucked after 24 hours. Yeah... I know. Kind of sucks. I believe they will probably revist the time period and / or find a diff way to "call in" to ensure you haven't sold your license to gamestop or something... but there is no plan YET. I'm hoping the change it, but I don't work on that so I don't have much influence there /sigh

 

>If the power goes out you ain't playing shit. I'm assuming you mean the internet goes out but you have power for TV and Xbox. Yes, You're fucked for single player games. Again, that's the PoR (Plan of record), but I expect it to change after the e3 clusterfuck

 

>What fee? There is no fee to play your games at your friends house. Never has, never will. Even x360 digital downloads could do that.

 

 

4/4

 

>The cloud capabilities is the shit they like the most. We basically made a huge cloud compute shit and made it free. What people are doing with it is kind of cool. THe original intention was to get all the Multiplayer servers not requiring 3rd party costs (Like EA shutting down game servers to cut costs), as well as taking all the games that servers hosted by the clients (Halo, etc), and have all that compute done in the cloud allowing more CPU cycles for gameplay. That will really expand what developers can do. Anything that doesn't need per frame calculation and can handle 100ms delays can be shifted to the cloud. That's huge.

 

>SmartGlass + IE is going to be pretty freaking sweet. 1 finger cursor, 2 finger direct manip. Basically if you think of a laptop trackpad where your phone/ slate is the trackpad and the monitor is your TV... it's that. The tech is there, just needs to be applied. There is some really cool shit going on with Petra + controllers that pairs people with controllers. So if person with controller two trades controlers with controller 1, their profiles magically switch. It's sick. What does this matter? Now if you lean left/right it knows which person is leaning, even if 4 people are all int he same room. It's awesome.

 

>New service using Azure for cloud compute. Allows developers to not use clients for hosting multiplayer servers, or other tasks that do not require per frame calcuations. It's pretty sweet.

 

>Honestly, if you care about anything other then pure games AT ALL. Xbox 1 > PS4. If all you do is play games, and nothing else, PS4.

 

This was all from the Microsoft engineer that was on /b/ last night.

 

>It's not worth my time to prove it, or risk my Job. I work in Studio A, 40th ave in Redmond, Wa. The thai place in the studio cafeteria has double punch wednesdays. Go ahead and call them and verify if you want.

 

If games indeed become cheaper on Xbone then that solves part of the problem. The 24 hour check still sucks for many people but not a dealbreaker for me as my internet connection is fast and stable. I see the problem, though, and I think it should be reconsidered; just once a week or something like that would be much, much better.

Edited June 14, 2013 by MindFreak

[Cube]

Sounds like complete rubbish when you consider that the following would solve all the price and Steam competition problems:

 

1. Make the digital versions cheaper.

 

Done. All the "issues" with a "used game possibility fee" affecting the price of game is now gone, as people buying disc versions are paying that "fee". The DRM is not and option and the prices would entire a lot of people. Everyone is happy (except retailers, but they're getting less fucked than the current plan).