Deathjam Posted July 1, 2013 Posted July 1, 2013 @Cube read my mind. @jayseven: thing is, the controllers that did relegate the dpad as you suggest had horrible dpads as well. I don't know if this was the end result, or a reason to promote the left analogue stick. Prime offenders: Dreamcast - dpad so bad up meant down Gamecube - dpad so sharp I could shave my face with it Xbox - similar problem as dreamcast but so terrible that whole thing feels like one button As it is why fix a feature that isn't broken for many users?
Shorty Posted July 1, 2013 Posted July 1, 2013 Who cares if the d-pad is relegated, small, or crap? The d-pad is useless on both consoles, except in fighters, that's why it's better having a less comfortable spot on the 360. If you take fighters seriously, you can buy a dedicated pad which is better than all the default options. Also the dual shock's (2 and 3) analogue sticks have always felt far too lose, there's too little resistance keeping them from snapping to one side, harder to push them in precise increments. They actually look a bit nicer on the DS4, but that's the only aspect of it I'm liking.
Deathjam Posted July 1, 2013 Posted July 1, 2013 Who cares if the d-pad is relegated, small, or crap? The d-pad is useless on both consoles, except in fighters, that's why it's better having a less comfortable spot on the 360. If you take fighters seriously, you can buy a dedicated pad which is better than all the default options. Also the dual shock's (2 and 3) analogue sticks have always felt far too lose, there's too little resistance keeping them from snapping to one side, harder to push them in precise increments. They actually look a bit nicer on the DS4, but that's the only aspect of it I'm liking. You would think that would be the case but having done said option, trust me it isn't. Buying an arcade stick blows for people who never got into fighters when they were in the arcades AND those things are way too expensive anyways. DS3 , bar the shoulder buttons, is fine as it is. Hence the reason why the DS4 has hardly changed.
Diageo Posted July 1, 2013 Posted July 1, 2013 The control stick doesn't need a dedicated area. It's a small stick that needs little space. It's perfectly mobile in the place it is. Putting it in a place where it takes up more controller space is pointless.
jayseven Posted July 1, 2013 Posted July 1, 2013 The point about the d-pad being better on the DS than other consoles is completely fair enough, I'll accept that. The issue of the control stick being poorer on the DS is fair enough as well. The fact that the control stick is still perfectly useable is also a decent point -- if it was unbearable then the pad would've been "fixed" by now otherwise gamers would've given up already. I just think that the space on the controller could surely be better utilised in this day and age. Is nobody willing to pay that thought and see where their brains can run with it? It's much easier to defend the d-pad than it is to try and constructively imagine that there is a better thing. I guess I'm not being clear, and it's late for me so I don't want to spend the words tonight. Maybe next time.
Sheikah Posted July 1, 2013 Posted July 1, 2013 Who cares if the d-pad is relegated, small, or crap? The d-pad is useless on both consoles, except in fighters, that's why it's better having a less comfortable spot on the 360. If you take fighters seriously, you can buy a dedicated pad which is better than all the default options. Also the dual shock's (2 and 3) analogue sticks have always felt far too lose, there's too little resistance keeping them from snapping to one side, harder to push them in precise increments. They actually look a bit nicer on the DS4, but that's the only aspect of it I'm liking. The D pad is used quite extensively for a lot of games. Maybe not on the 360, since the D pad sucks. It has a good few uses that are really handy - quick item/weapon selection, hotkeys and menu selection. The menu selection is really important for games where the menu/inventory doesn't pause the game - you can still move with the analogue stick while also navigating the menu (which worked really well in games like PSO). The argument for the 'necessity' of the analogue stick being higher up for it to be comfortable is pretty much defeated by the fact the right stick is in the very place that apparently causes such a problem (something no one conveniently seems to find uncomfortable). This is despite the right stick being used just as much in most games in the form of camera movement. If it's a choice between an ever-so-slightly better placement of the left analogue and having a workable D-pad then it's the D-pad, every time.
Cookyman Posted July 2, 2013 Posted July 2, 2013 Good interview with Jack Tretton on this weeks Up at Noon.
flameboy Posted July 3, 2013 Posted July 3, 2013 The Play Room tech demo thing comes preloaded on the PS4: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-07-03-playstation-4-augmented-reality-app-the-playroom-comes-pre-loaded I guess it is kind of pointless seem as the camera isn't bundled but I suppose if it plays a sizzle reel of the fun you could enjoy then some people may go out and get a camera. I probably won't buy it straight off but its worth pointing out I ended up with two camera's this gen, I bought eyepet+camera for £5 to use with students at work and then when my phat PS3 broke the cheapest bundle I could get was with a move starter kit. So who know I could end with one somehow.
Cookyman Posted July 4, 2013 Posted July 4, 2013 Source CVG The Playroom, the PlayStation 4 tech demo shown off during this year's E3, will come pre-loaded on every PlayStation 4 console. That's according to a post on the official PlayStation website. Playroom combines the PlayStation Camera and the DualShock 4 controller to present the player with a number of augmented reality toys, in order to show off the capabilities of both peripherals working together. Players are able to spawn Asobi, a tiny floating robot, which 'appears' in your living room and interacts by scanning your face and shooting fireballs. Playroom can also create the illusion of hundreds of tiny robots inside your DualShock controller, letting players scatter them onto the floor of the room. The tech demo is also intended to show how the PlayStation 4 can interact with other devices. Players can use their smartphone, tablet or PlayStation Vita to draw an object then flick it 'into' the screen for robots to play with. Although The PlayRoom will be included on every PlayStation 4 console, only those with a PlayStation Camera (sold separately) will be able to use it. Reports suggest that the PlayStation Camera was originally supposed to be bundled with the PlayStation 4, but Sony decided to sell it separately to undercut the Xbox One price.
Daft Posted July 4, 2013 Posted July 4, 2013 A glitch in the Matrix. It happens when they change something.
Cookyman Posted July 6, 2013 Posted July 6, 2013 Well It had to happen, now some bad news about the PS4. I better sneak off now.............................
Daft Posted July 10, 2013 Posted July 10, 2013 (edited) The Cerny speaketh. Love this man. Someone should give him a TV show. Edited July 10, 2013 by Daft
Shorty Posted July 11, 2013 Posted July 11, 2013 Looks like Liv Tyler after a severe allergic reaction
Daft Posted July 11, 2013 Posted July 11, 2013 Looks like Liv Tyler after a severe allergic reaction ?
dwarf Posted July 11, 2013 Posted July 11, 2013 http://www.gamefreaks.co.nz/2013/07/12/sony-digital-library-accessible-playstation-4/ Sony Digital Libarary Accessible from any PS4 Sony has announced that gamers will be able to access their entire digital game library from any PlayStation 4 console. “You can visit your friend’s house you can log into your account and play any PlayStation 4 game from your digital library,” said Sony R&D senior team leader Neil Brown. “This makes a digital library a practical option in the real world,” he added. Microsoft was offering a similar service on the Xbox One, but this feature has remained unconfirmed since they reversed their online policies. PlayStation 4 and Xbox One games will be released digitally alongside retail store copies, so all digital game libraries will become much more common in this next generation. Brown also detailed Sony’s “Play As You Download” feature, which allows you to start a new game, even as its downloading. “You get much quicker access to at least the first section of the game so you can start playing quicker”, he added. Don't know if Cerny talked about this stuff, will watch those videos now.
Daft Posted July 12, 2013 Posted July 12, 2013 Probably nothing new to anyone here, but this is quite a nice little round up of PS4...features/things.
ReZourceman Posted July 13, 2013 Posted July 13, 2013 I didn't know about a few of the smaller details. And....500GB hard drive. YES. Exactly. It is precisely this that makes me furious about the ridiculous Wii U.
madeinbeats Posted July 13, 2013 Posted July 13, 2013 (edited) I didn't know about a few of the smaller details. And....500GB hard drive. YES. Exactly. It is precisely this that makes me furious about the ridiculous Wii U. The Wii U wouldn't need a 500gig HDD as standard because installs are not required. Waste of resources. For those few who want large digital collections you just buy a 500gig USB drive for around the £30 mark. Edited July 13, 2013 by madeinbeats
ReZourceman Posted July 13, 2013 Posted July 13, 2013 The Wii U wouldn't need a 500gig HDD as standard because installs are not required. Waste of resources. For those few who want large digital collections you just buy a 500gig USB drive for around the £30. I'm not saying it needs 500GB, (heck, I'm not even saying it needs 16GB at this rate....haaiyyy-ohhhh) but 8GB/16GB is cluelessly and insultingly low. And in an effort to not turn this into a Wii U thread and get it closed; PS4 IS HAX. I r guna get wotchdogs on lanch
Cube Posted July 13, 2013 Posted July 13, 2013 The Wii U wouldn't need a 500gig HDD as standard because installs are not required. Waste of resources. For those few who want large digital collections you just buy a 500gig USB drive for around the £30. Installs are required? That's rather shit.
madeinbeats Posted July 13, 2013 Posted July 13, 2013 I'm not saying it needs 500GB, (heck, I'm not even saying it needs 16GB at this rate....haaiyyy-ohhhh) but 8GB/16GB is cluelessly and insultingly low. And in an effort to not turn this into a Wii U thread and get it closed; PS4 IS HAX. I r guna get wotchdogs on lanch It's not just a Nintendo thing though. MS and Sony did/do sell PS3/360s with NO HDD whatsoever. No? If you need it, you upgrade it. PS4 / Xbone ab!solutely require a large HDD. Wii U absolutely does not. So it's more clued-up than clueless. SSD storage is more expensive per Gb than the old drives and much more safe when knocked or dropped. Installs are required? That's rather shit. Aye, but it installs games on-the-fly doesn't it? So you don't have to wait to play. Why, what were you planning on doing with your 500 free gigs lol.
Cube Posted July 13, 2013 Posted July 13, 2013 Aye, but it installs games on-the-fly doesn't it? So you don't have to wait to play. Why, what were you planning on doing with your 500 free gigs lol. When PS+ goes into full swing, 500GB won't last long.
madeinbeats Posted July 13, 2013 Posted July 13, 2013 (edited) When PS+ goes into full swing, 500GB won't last long. It supports USB drives - USB3 I assume - and you can upgrade the internal. Can't upgrade the Xbone internal drive, only plug externals in. Regular HDDs are dirt cheap these days. Edited July 13, 2013 by madeinbeats
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