nekunando Posted February 15, 2013 Posted February 15, 2013 It does have a smidge of "third party knock off".. ..probably more than a smidge Anyway.. as much of a Nintendo fan as I may be and as apathetic about the PS3 as I have been, it's always exciting to see that first glimpse of new hardware Part of me wants this Sony event to be laughably bad just to see the internet reaction. GIFs have become one of the greatest things abotu E3 in recent years.. there's always something hilarious On the other hand, It'd also be great if Sony just unveiled something to knock my socks off and really make me take notice!
Captain Falcon Posted February 15, 2013 Posted February 15, 2013 ..probably more than a smidge Anyway.. as much of a Nintendo fan as I may be and as apathetic about the PS3 as I have been, it's always exciting to see that first glimpse of new hardware Part of me wants this Sony event to be laughably bad just to see the internet reaction. GIFs have become one of the greatest things abotu E3 in recent years.. there's always something hilarious On the other hand, It'd also be great if Sony just unveiled something to knock my socks off and really make me take notice! I was trying to put it nicely but yeah, it is way more than a smidge :p A peak of the future is always something special and more so when everyone is out of the loop and waiting in anticipation. Yeah, we already have an idea of system performance but we have no idea on physical designs for controllers or hardware until this cropped up. I've been a Nintendo fan since I picked up that NES pad way too many moons ago, but I feel they've spurned my interest as of late and sold me out when they appear to be offering that olive branch. Consequently, their less than stellar performance has been quite amusing and a real eye opener for people expecting them to steam role this gen like the last one - something I never once expected. Sony have paid their dues big time over the last gen with their handheld and console divisions. They fell so hard at the start of the PS3 era off the back of the PS2 but theyve turned it around and they've done it by being the best thing they can be for the gamers that brought them success with their prior two machines. MS smashed it out of the gate with the 360 but appear to be turning their back on the gamers who fuelled that early success at precisely the wrong time whereas Sony have played it really smartly in the second half of the generation from a customer loyality standpoint - hacking espisodes aside.
Hero-of-Time Posted February 16, 2013 Posted February 16, 2013 Gaikai stuff revealed? Sony Corp. 6758.TO -1.87% is planning to offer technology to stream games to its next videogame console, people familiar with the company's plans say, alongside other enhancements to bolster its position in the market. The new technology, to be unveiled Wednesday along with the new console, will allow users to play games delivered over the Internet, these people said. The streaming service, they added, is designed to use current PlayStation 3 titles on the new console; the new device is also expected to play new games stored on optical discs. Sony's plans come after it acquired Gaikai Inc. last year for $380 million. Though many companies now offer simple games over the Internet, Gaikai was one of several companies that offered online access to visually intense games, which ordinarily require specialized circuitry found on high-end personal computers and gaming consoles. The streaming technology is one of the new features and enhancements expected to be offered with the new console, which Sony plans to unveil at an event in New York. Sony's new PlayStation, for example, may control the action with higher fidelity cameras for its "Move" motion-sensing technology and touch-sensing pads on new controllers, according to people who have seen and been briefed on the devices. ... Still, Sony is pushing ahead and has been investing heavily to prepare Gaikai's service, people familiar with the matter say. Microsoft also has experimented with its own version of cloud gaming, people at the company have said, but has in the past questioned the costs associated with building a service large enough to reach all its customers.
ReZourceman Posted February 16, 2013 Posted February 16, 2013 I am looking forward to Wednesday almost as much as this;
Cube Posted February 16, 2013 Posted February 16, 2013 If they do cloud streaming for backwards compatibility, they need to do it so you get free access to it if you put the PS3 disc in the PS4.
Daft Posted February 16, 2013 Posted February 16, 2013 (edited) I wouldn't see an issue with the PS4 reading enough of the PS3 game to confirm what it is and then loading it up on Gaikai. Might this be part of Plus? I suspect so. Edit: Maybe all that assumed second-hand content lock out is meant for PS3 games on Gaikai. I wonder if they'll announce it for Vita, too. That would be insane. Would murder the battery, too. Edited February 16, 2013 by Daft
Retro_Link Posted February 16, 2013 Author Posted February 16, 2013 Have to say it's a great feature to include for some, and to have on the console moving forward as the internet improves, but I can't see myself streaming games. I presume you'll still be able to download PS3 games on PSN for the PS4? Guess I'll also have to hold on to my PS3/wont be able to trade it in towards it (bit annoying)... backwards compatibility would have been so good.
Dcubed Posted February 16, 2013 Posted February 16, 2013 (edited) Saw it coming a mile off. It's the only way they can do BC. Software emulation is out of the question, hardware emulation is not doable (since the hardware is of a completely different architecture) and including the original PS3 CPU/GPU would be far too costly. No way will this be free either. Either they'll roll this into Playstation Plus and up the subscription price, or you'll have to pay a seperate subscription fee (Plus users will probably get a discount) I wonder if they'll extend the service to Vita as well? Would be kinda cool to see the PS3 PSN games you've bought get streamed to the Vita (although I wouldn't expect the gameplay experience to be pleasant on either PS4 or Vita...) Edited February 16, 2013 by Dcubed
Cube Posted February 16, 2013 Posted February 16, 2013 Gakai in general has me excited. Sony should put it on everything and use it for everything on PS3/4. Why stop at PS3 games? They could thrown in PC stuff. Games not previously possible on hardware. Non game stuff? Sure. IMO the possibilities are huge. That is the part i am most interested about PS4 in general. It's nowhere near good enough to be a big feature. It's a viable alternative for playing older games so they can give us that ability without including vastly different hardware, but good enough internet connections (combined with unlimited packages) are nowhere near common enough for cloud gaming to be an important feature of a games console. There's huge possibilities, but the technology isn't ready just yet.
Cube Posted February 16, 2013 Posted February 16, 2013 I wouldn't be surprised to eventually see a PS4 service for it eventually, but I don't think it will be available for a few years, and I don't think it will be open to other platforms (other than the Vita).
Sheikah Posted February 16, 2013 Posted February 16, 2013 BT are pushing to get fibre optic cable to the vast majority of homes within the next couple of years so it should become more feasible soon.
Dcubed Posted February 16, 2013 Posted February 16, 2013 BT are pushing to get fibre optic cable to the vast majority of homes within the next couple of years so it should become more feasible soon. I have BT fibre optic to my exchange. I've tried Gaikai and Onlive. It's not really very playable outside of turn based stuff. The lag is immediately noticeable (and it would only be worse on a HDTV, where most of them suffer from horrendous input lag already. Oh and if that's not bad enough, a lot of PS3 and 360 games already suffer from high input lag even when played natively anyway - particularly GTA4 and Killzone 2!) It's gonna be a mess, but hey! At least they get to advertise that it's "Backwards Compatible" Here's hoping that we see PS2 disc support at least. Software emulation for PS2 games should be very doable.
Sheikah Posted February 16, 2013 Posted February 16, 2013 I have BT fibre optic to my exchange. I've tried Gaikai and Onlive. It's not really very playable outside of turn based stuff. The lag is immediately noticeable (and it would only be worse on a HDTV, where most of them suffer from horrendous input lag already. Oh and if that's not bad enough, a lot of PS3 and 360 games already suffer from high input lag even when played natively anyway - particularly GTA4 and Killzone 2!) It's gonna be a mess, but hey! At least they get to advertise that it's "Backwards Compatible" Here's hoping that we see PS2 disc support at least. Software emulation for PS2 games should be very doable. I imagine something needs optimising with the setup then and hopefully they do it. Fibre optic is definitely good enough to stream 1080p video content so really it should be possible to make this almost lag free. I know you require sending input as well as receiving, but it should be possible. Note that some internet providers fuck your speeds at peak times or throttle certain content.
Retro_Link Posted February 16, 2013 Author Posted February 16, 2013 What's the advantage of being able to offer say... 'Pay this much a year and you can stream all you want' over 'Pay this much a year and you can download all you want from PSN'? Also would it conflict with Plus in any way?
Daft Posted February 17, 2013 Posted February 17, 2013 I think to start with they'll cap streaming to 720p. That should alleviate some bandwidth issues, then they can slowly upgrade as infrastructure improves. I suspect it'll be a Plus feature, the PS4 reads that you have the game disk or checks you've downloaded it on your account and it will stream away. It'll be interesting to see what games will be available and how/if DLC will work. Personally, I'm not bothered but if it's a cheap solution to backward compatibility then I'm all for it.
Debug Mode Posted February 17, 2013 Posted February 17, 2013 Sony Attacks Nintendo’s Mario To Promote PlayStation Meeting? 10/10 Sony, laughed hard
Cube Posted February 17, 2013 Posted February 17, 2013 Imagine if they said the words "Sony do what Nintendon't" in the meeting.
Debug Mode Posted February 17, 2013 Posted February 17, 2013 Imagine if they said the words "Sony do what Nintendon't" in the meeting. I'd flip my shit and hope Sega starts licking major Sony balls
Daft Posted February 17, 2013 Posted February 17, 2013 Sony Attacks Nintendo’s Mario To Promote PlayStation Meeting? 10/10 Sony, laughed hard It's funny because it's so cutting and true.
liger05 Posted February 18, 2013 Posted February 18, 2013 The Times : Sony is considering pricing PS4 "at about £300" #1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- When Sony unveils its new PlayStation device this week, it will be far cheaper than many experts had expected — a price tag that, it is hoped, will lure millions of customers into buying its latest video games console. Industry sources and leaked internal documents suggest that Sony is considering pricing the new device at about £300, more than £100 cheaper than the starting cost of its predecessor, the PlayStation 3. http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/business/industries/technology/article3691304.ece
Daft Posted February 18, 2013 Posted February 18, 2013 It needs to be this price. I doubt it will. I'd happily pay £400. Price of an iPad that is.
Hero-of-Time Posted February 18, 2013 Posted February 18, 2013 (edited) I can see it being £350 max. £300 would be a very sweet price point though. Edited February 18, 2013 by Hero-of-Time
liger05 Posted February 18, 2013 Posted February 18, 2013 I can see it being £350 max. £300 would be a very sweet price point though. I'm thinking £349 - £399. I dont think they will go beyond that but will be interesting to see how much the console is costing to build. I did say the price will be lower than what people think simply cos off the shelf parts and the PS3 disaster would insure Sony dont make the same mistake. Any price which starts with 3 for the PS4 or the next Xbox is going to really effect Nintendo.
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