Retro_Link Posted January 31, 2013 Author Posted January 31, 2013 Strange one, the initial rumour this thread was based on did say it would be revealed in weeks, but everything to come out of Sony lately has said they're letting Microsoft go first.
Daft Posted February 1, 2013 Posted February 1, 2013 Wasn't that literally one comment for Kaz, though?
Ashley Posted February 1, 2013 Posted February 1, 2013 They could reveal part of something, and the latter part at a later (post-MS) date. Kind of like Nintendo did with the Wii U, but make the 2nd part better not just "so in the last year you've done...what?"
Dcubed Posted February 1, 2013 Posted February 1, 2013 Strange one, the initial rumour this thread was based on did say it would be revealed in weeks, but everything to come out of Sony lately has said they're letting Microsoft go first. Obviously MS are planning on unveiling Durango on Feb 19th
CoolFunkMan Posted February 1, 2013 Posted February 1, 2013 Damn, how over the top is that trailer?! xD February 20th should be interesting though!
Retro_Link Posted February 1, 2013 Author Posted February 1, 2013 Could be the new controller reveal or something I suppose? with the console to be revealed at E3... but the hype's gonna be built up, and that would seem underwhelming.
Rowan Posted February 1, 2013 Posted February 1, 2013 So hyped At a guess we'll get a glimpse of the console and a montage trailer, while at E3 they'll announce the games, release date and price.
Cube Posted February 1, 2013 Posted February 1, 2013 They'll probably show off their magnificent new controller:
Dcubed Posted February 1, 2013 Posted February 1, 2013 They'll probably show off their magnificent new controller: Fixed for accuracy
Serebii Posted February 1, 2013 Posted February 1, 2013 This could be interesting. I am intrigued to see how Sony and MS are going to tackle their next consoles. Since the jump won't be that big (nowhere near as noticiable as PS1-PS2, PS2-PS3), I'm wondering if they'll add some unique features to the consoles. Roll on February 20th
Debug Mode Posted February 1, 2013 Posted February 1, 2013 Fixed for accuracy Heh, I doubt that's going to happen. What I think is more likely is that they'll do something along the lines but with the PS Vita and have it as an optional experience. It'll keep costs down, boost Vita sales and to be honest, something I'd prefer as my main dig with Nintendo is some of their innovations, at times, really seem to be forced on you. Not to say I hate their innovations mind! I really hope Sony pulls through on this one, as I'd rather see them live on than to see Microsoft dominate in the 'power house' category again in the next generation. But they need to tread carefully, try to ensure a profit on each unit sold and keep it as open as possible (not exactly in easiness of hacking sense, but keep it like the PS3 where storage mediums and etc are not proprietary). If they manage to fuck this up combined with consumers being bat shit retarded enough to face another few years of, most likely, still paying for Xbox Live, then Sony is really going to be on the tipping point. This could be interesting. I am intrigued to see how Sony and MS are going to tackle their next consoles. Since the jump won't be that big (nowhere near as noticiable as PS1-PS2, PS2-PS3), I'm wondering if they'll add some unique features to the consoles. Roll on February 20th If the leaks are to believed, technically it will be a very good leap. If the architecture between the Xbox and Playstation are indeed nearly identical, then developers progress over the years should be able to put out 1080p with possibly 60 frames per second. This is something that should be very noticeable to players, with the majority of games published these days sacrificing performance in favour of graphics.
Serebii Posted February 1, 2013 Posted February 1, 2013 Heh, I doubt that's going to happen. What I think is more likely is that they'll do something along the lines but with the PS Vita and have it as an optional experience. It'll keep costs down, boost Vita sales and to be honest, something I'd prefer as my main dig with Nintendo is some of their innovations, at times, really seem to be forced on you. Not to say I hate their innovations mind! I really hope Sony pulls through on this one, as I'd rather see them live on than to see Microsoft dominate in the 'power house' category again in the next generation. But they need to tread carefully, try to ensure a profit on each unit sold and keep it as open as possible (not exactly in easiness of hacking sense, but keep it like the PS3 where storage mediums and etc are not proprietary). If they manage to fuck this up combined with consumers being bat shit retarded enough to face another few years of, most likely, still paying for Xbox Live, then Sony is really going to be on the tipping point. If the leaks are to believed, technically it will be a very good leap. If the architecture between the Xbox and Playstation are indeed nearly identical, then developers progress over the years should be able to put out 1080p with possibly 60 frames per second. This is something that should be very noticeable to players, with the majority of games published these days sacrificing performance in favour of graphics. So it means we'll have games that are like the tech demos and promises Sony made at the reveal of the PS3. Sweet. Yeah, technologically it's better. However, you and I both know the at this point, for the time being, that it doesn't directly correlate
Daft Posted February 1, 2013 Posted February 1, 2013 That's such an old line, if you look at that Killzone tech demo, Killzone 2 and 3 actually look better (albeit slightly different due to using better animations - and that tech demo is cut to be ACTION PAAAACKEED when a game could never function that way). I can hear the sounds of straws being grasped at.
Dcubed Posted February 1, 2013 Posted February 1, 2013 If the architecture between the Xbox and Playstation are indeed nearly identical, then developers progress over the years should be able to put out 1080p with possibly 60 frames per second. This is something that should be very noticeable to players, with the majority of games published these days sacrificing performance in favour of graphics. Performance will still get sacrificed at the altar of graphics and you know it. There's nothing stopping devs from making 1080p/60FPS games on PS3 if they wanted to (in fact there are already a few like Ridge Racer 7), the problem is that they don't want to! I still expect many sub 1080p games next gen (though I doubt we'll see them go sub 720p this time) and many games will continue to run at 30FPS for the sake of better graphics, larger worlds etc. Not every game needs 60FPS...
Jonnas Posted February 1, 2013 Posted February 1, 2013 I'm sticking to my original prediction: NXtBox and PS4 will attempt a small leap in power, both will have something to try to distinguish themselves from the competition. Let's see what the PS4 brings, then.
Dcubed Posted February 1, 2013 Posted February 1, 2013 (edited) I'm sticking to my original prediction: NXtBox and PS4 will attempt a small leap in power, both will have something to try to distinguish themselves from the competition. Let's see what the PS4 brings, then. We already know what MS are planning (Set-top box OS with live TV DVR recording, Kinect 2.0, Fortaleza AR Glasses accessory after launch, possible Illumiroom camera accessory, cross game Skype support and probable built in Twitch.TV support), so it's definately not just a graphics jump... Sony have some sort of stereo camera setup as well, but we don't know much about it. Otherwise though, it seems to be a more basic upgrade and focus on a graphics boost (unless the rumours about a radically new design for the DS controller pan out) Edited February 1, 2013 by Dcubed
Debug Mode Posted February 1, 2013 Posted February 1, 2013 That's such an old line, if you look at that Killzone tech demo, Killzone 2 and 3 actually look better (albeit slightly different due to using better animations - and that tech demo is cut to be ACTION PAAAACKEED when a game could never function that way). I can hear the sounds of straws being grasped at. Killzone tech demo, if I recall, was actually pretty solid to the final product, albeit the one of the only ones. Most of the PS3's over-estimations came from third party developers, I still remember that fucking Gundam game that looked mad impressive. Don't suppose you know of any HD video's of that Killzone tech demo to you? I'm curious to see the texture quality of the surroundings again. Because there's one thing I've noticed about FPS's this generation and that's some very clever tricky by having the texture quality of stuff that's always near you at a fucking unreal quality (like the visible parts of your arms and the gun), the textures you place elsewhere like the ground mainly gets overlooked. This would be a good idea, as it'd be more realistic considering that's how we see things, but once you start moving towards something it just looks fucking awful and kind of ruins the immersion. I wonder if there'll be any games next generation that'll use some seamless technique to increase texture quality with distance, as it's clearly not happened this gen. Hence why I'm curious to So it means we'll have games that are like the tech demos and promises Sony made at the reveal of the PS3. Sweet. Although it doesn't lessen the impact of the lie, all of the companies have lied through their teeth this generation. The PS3 had the same thing that the Wii U had, varying specs that were switched out very late into development. I wonder how Nintendo's going to pull out a title like that Zelda tech demo considering the that the Wii U is most likely weaker than originally planned?
Dcubed Posted February 1, 2013 Posted February 1, 2013 The PS3 had the same thing that the Wii U had, varying specs that were switched out very late into development. I wonder how Nintendo's going to pull out a title like that Zelda tech demo considering the that the Wii U is most likely weaker than originally planned? Actually supposedly, according to people on GAF who had access to the Wii U beta dev kits, the final Wii U is actually more powerful than the beta kits that powered that tech demo (specifically, the GPU was boosted by about 150mhz and the CPU by 100mhz - no idea about what other changes were made though) The Zelda tech demo isn't really that impressive, from a tech perspective, anyway. I fully expect the actual Wii U Zelda game to surpass the tech demo with ease (as has been the case every time, where every Zelda tech demo has always been surpassed by the actual game)
Debug Mode Posted February 1, 2013 Posted February 1, 2013 Actually supposedly, according to people on GAF who had access to the Wii U beta dev kits, the final Wii U is actually more powerful than the beta kits that powered that tech demo (specifically, the GPU was boosted by about 150mhz and the CPU by 100mhz - no idea about what other changes were made though) The Zelda tech demo isn't really that impressive, from a tech perspective, anyway. I fully expect the actual Wii U Zelda game to surpass the tech demo with ease (as has been the case every time, where every Zelda tech demo has always been surpassed by the actual game) I've got my doubts, wasn't the Zelda tech demo confirmed to be 1080p? If New Super Mario Bros U can't go above 720p, even if it is a launch title, I don't have much confidence.
Jonnas Posted February 1, 2013 Posted February 1, 2013 We already know what MS are planning (Set-top box OS with live TV DVR recording, Kinect 2.0, Fortaleza AR Glasses accessory after launch, possible Illumiroom camera accessory, cross game Skype support and probable built in Twitch.TV support), so it's definately not just a graphics jump... Well yeah, I was aware that NXtBox had something going for it, even if it would simply be Kinect 2.0 (it's still something unique, after all) If the PS4 doesn't have anything particularly unique, I can see it struggling to become successful (though that's not a position Sony can afford again)
Sheikah Posted February 1, 2013 Posted February 1, 2013 Well it has Playstation Plus, free online gaming and good exclusives which will no doubt carry over. These are far more important and better features than the gimmicky ones that lose their edge after the first year. If the second Xbox and PS4 end up outpacing the Nintendo console again, both in terms of power and having better online infrastructures, then the PS4 will have a definite edge over the Xbox again simply by keeping these features.
Dcubed Posted February 1, 2013 Posted February 1, 2013 I've got my doubts, wasn't the Zelda tech demo confirmed to be 1080p? If New Super Mario Bros U can't go above 720p, even if it is a launch title, I don't have much confidence. Nah, it was 720p. The console could obviously handle NSMBU in 1080p if they wanted to do it. Nintendo Land utterly obliterates NSMBU in terms of visuals and does so while rendering 5 player splitscreen at the same 720p resolution and VSynced 60FPS as NSMBU. They probably just drew the 2D assets in 720p (to save on costs) and didn't want to redraw them for 1080p resolution, instead opting for globs of AA (which works just as well really. The game's IQ looks pristine anyway)
Jonnas Posted February 1, 2013 Posted February 1, 2013 Well it has Playstation Plus, free online gaming and good exclusives which will no doubt carry over. These are far more important and better features than the gimmicky ones that lose their edge after the first year. Substantially, yes. But what is substantial is not necessarily flashy, and something flashy is needed to draw attention to your own console, even if just to make it relevant in the eyes of the general public. Impressive graphics worked for a while, but that won't cut it this time. Not by itself. It's entirely possible that the PS4 will subsist with brand recognition alone, though. I just don't think Sony will see it that way.
Cube Posted February 1, 2013 Posted February 1, 2013 For most of us, if the PS4 was an upgraded PS3 we'll be perfectly happy (especially with Microsoft possibly going the Kinect route). However, it's marketing it that's the problem.
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