drahkon Posted December 20, 2022 Posted December 20, 2022 Seems like a great controller. Can do everything the other devices it competes with can, has some impressive fine-tuning and comes with the standard DualSense features (including what people call "abysmal battery life" ). People shit on the price, but it's reasonable given its features. Other controllers in that spectrum (i.e. "Pro", "Elite", "Scuff", etc.) are similarly priced but come with less features. I want one and given some financial boons coming, I may actually try to get one sooner rather than later.
Ike Posted December 20, 2022 Posted December 20, 2022 If it's weighty like the Xbox Elite controller then I might consider it.
Sheikah Posted December 20, 2022 Posted December 20, 2022 The Verge has some hands on impressions with the new controller.https://www.theverge.com/23517805/sony-dualsense-edge-hands-on-preview-price As expected, the battery life will be worse than a standard controller. Worrying when you consider the standard controller doesn't exactly have a long battery life to begin with.Why is it to be expected? For the price I would absolutely expect a higher capacity battery. Like you say, the battery isn't exactly stellar to begin with.
Hero-of-Time Posted December 20, 2022 Posted December 20, 2022 1 minute ago, Sheikah said: Why is it to be expected? For the price I would absolutely expect a higher capacity battery. Like you say, the battery isn't exactly stellar to begin with. Because the controller is doing more than the original one and I had strong doubts that Sony were going to fork out for a better battery in this model.
Sheikah Posted December 20, 2022 Posted December 20, 2022 Because the controller is doing more than the original one and I had strong doubts that Sony were going to fork out for a better battery in this model.The thing is though, it would make sense for them to pay a negligible amount more for an ever so slightly better battery just to tick the box of saying "better battery", purely as they will have lost some sales from this revelation. The sort of enthusiasts buying this product are in the know.I guess we can chalk this up to incompetence.
Ronnie Posted December 21, 2022 Posted December 21, 2022 The regular Dualsense has a pathetic battery life so to read that the Edge has an even worse one... at £210?? lol.
drahkon Posted December 21, 2022 Posted December 21, 2022 (edited) 11 hours ago, drahkon said: And I'm not sure if I want to... After a few successful runs I'm still unsure. But... This little guy keeps me going. Gotta make him happy I really hope the endgame in Hades 2 is more fleshed out. There is basically nothing worthwhile to acquire in this one. The summons, sure, but they require a stupid amount of work and once you have them all you probably don't need them. Less decorations, more upgrades that you can use during runs please. It's all this game needed to elevate it from "meh" to "awesome". Edited December 21, 2022 by drahkon 1
Sheikah Posted December 21, 2022 Posted December 21, 2022 After a few successful runs I'm still unsure. But... This little guy keeps me going. Gotta make him happy [emoji3] I really hope the endgame in Hades 2 is more fleshed out. There is basically nothing worthwhile to acquire in this one. The summons, sure, but they require a stupid amount of work and once you have them all you probably don't need them. Less decorations, more upgrades that you can use during runs please. It's all this game needed to elevate it from "meh" to "awesome".Yeah, I also felt the game just sort of stopped. I felt it was a real missed opportunity that there wasn't really anything else to be gained from maxing out affinities. It also felt like the game was going to gear you up to seeing the Olympus gods but that never happened.
Dcubed Posted December 21, 2022 Author Posted December 21, 2022 Battery capacity is entirely limited to the physical size of the battery. The only way to include a “better” battery is to include a physically larger battery, and that would probably have been impossible without increasing the physical size of the controller.
Ronnie Posted December 21, 2022 Posted December 21, 2022 How about not putting an even worse battery in a product that costs over £200? If it's impossible to include a physically larger battery (which I doubt), then there's a flaw in their design somewhere. The Switch controller and the thing that inspired the Edge, the Xbox Elite, both last 40 hours. Feels like the Dualsense struggles with 4.
Dcubed Posted December 21, 2022 Author Posted December 21, 2022 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Ronnie said: How about not putting an even worse battery in a product that costs over £200? If it's impossible to include a physically larger battery (which I doubt), then there's a flaw in their design somewhere. The Switch controller and the thing that inspired the Edge, the Xbox Elite, both last 40 hours. Feels like the Dualsense struggles with 4. They're probably just using the same battery as in the Dualsense. They wouldn't be able to fit a physically larger battery in there unless they completely redesigned the internals (which is probably out-of-scope for this kind of project). The Dualsense (and the DS4 while I'm at it), were just poorly designed controllers from the get-go. They're way too battery hungry for the features that they offer. Then again, Playstation devices in general have never been particularily well designed as far as power consumption goes anyway. Edited December 21, 2022 by Dcubed 1
Ashley Posted December 21, 2022 Posted December 21, 2022 Yeah I doubt they put in a worse battery, but rather they're asking the same battery to do even more and thus it runs out more quickly. It sucks, but I very much doubt they thought "well let's make this part worse".
Julius Posted December 21, 2022 Posted December 21, 2022 (edited) 19 hours ago, Hero-of-Time said: The Verge has some hands on impressions with the new controller. https://www.theverge.com/23517805/sony-dualsense-edge-hands-on-preview-price As expected, the battery life will be worse than a standard controller. Worrying when you consider the standard controller doesn't exactly have a long battery life to begin with. The battery life not being up to snuff is a deal-breaker for me unfortunately, at least when it comes to picking one up at launch. It's a shame, because I was really looking forward to finally having a first party premier controller for PlayStation! The battery life of their controllers for me is one of my few hangups with the PlayStation ecosystem these days, and has been for a while; I remember going into this gen really wanting more than we got with the DS4, and at best we got something comparable, and at worse something, well, worse (YMMV and all that). These days, for heavy gaming sessions, I've got three controllers in rotation on my charging stand to keep me going, but honestly I'd love if I could get away with having just one (I'm also one of those that adores the haptics so turning that feature off in most cases just isn't going to happen). I barely use my Switch these days, but when I do, knowing I can handily get through some 30-40 hours of some gigantic game on one charge brings me some peace of mind, whereas last month the day before Ragnarök released, I had to double check all my controllers were charged and so on for a behemoth of a gaming session. I can't help but wonder if there are ways around this that they're either not looking for or perhaps are simply ignoring for the sake of their bottom line (or because they simply don't care). @Dcubed you mention the physical size of the controller itself needing to be comparable to the base DualSense and thus there's no space for a bigger battery, but considering how this is a customisable controller with a bunch of modular components, why not just release a (probably separate) battery expansion pack that we can plug in and clip on for some extra juice? If this were Nintendo or Xbox I'd maybe give them a pass considering hardware isn't really their sole focus or within the realm of their pedigree, but despite PlayStation being their bread and butter these days, Sony has always been a consumer electronics company at heart – why not put that to use? Also, I agree with @Ashley, it's probably the same battery as the DualSense (for some silly reason) and so with more features comes more energy use. Which, well, just kind of sucks. Edited December 21, 2022 by Julius 1 1
Sheikah Posted December 21, 2022 Posted December 21, 2022 Battery capacity is entirely limited to the physical size of the battery. The only way to include a “better” battery is to include a physically larger battery, and that would probably have been impossible without increasing the physical size of the controller.Is that really the case though, you would think they'd be able to create efficiencies by optimising the internal design of the controller to free up space. These things are rarely designed in the most optimal way first time round. A slightly better battery wouldn't be that much bigger.
Dcubed Posted December 21, 2022 Author Posted December 21, 2022 3 minutes ago, Sheikah said: Is that really the case though, you would think they'd be able to create efficiencies by optimising the internal design of the controller to free up space. These things are rarely designed in the most optimal way first time round. A slightly better battery wouldn't be that much bigger. Of course that would be possible, but it would require significant re-engineering from the ground-up with how the controller PCB works... which would probably be out-of-scope for a niche product like this (especially for the same console as the existing Dual Sense).
Ike Posted December 21, 2022 Posted December 21, 2022 I don't see what feature they've added that would even increase the battery usage so moderately.
Sheikah Posted December 21, 2022 Posted December 21, 2022 Of course that would be possible, but it would require significant re-engineering from the ground-up with how the controller PCB works... which would probably be out-of-scope for a niche product like this (especially for the same console as the existing Dual Sense).For £210 you should expect the most minor level of revision to accommodate a bigger battery. They have already incorporated several extra parts that take up internal space (e.g. the paddles) which aren't on the standard controller.
drahkon Posted December 21, 2022 Posted December 21, 2022 17 hours ago, drahkon said: This little guy keeps me going. Gotta make him happy For a while, I gotta do a few suicide runs. This is where the way the story progresses falls flat. Not to brag, but I had 22 consecutive successful runs and I barely made progress with the epilogue. Gonna just die over and over again a couple of times to increase the bond with the Olympians.
Hero-of-Time Posted December 21, 2022 Posted December 21, 2022 11 minutes ago, drahkon said: For a while, I gotta do a few suicide runs. This is where the way the story progresses falls flat. Not to brag, but I had 22 consecutive successful runs and I barely made progress with the epilogue. Gonna just die over and over again a couple of times to increase the bond with the Olympians. Yeah, I had to do the same. It's a massive design flaw in the game. The amount of suicide runs I had to do in order to unlock the correct dialogue was ridiculous. Going through a run to find out that the right person wasn't there or the dialogue option wasn't correct was quite draining.
bob Posted December 21, 2022 Posted December 21, 2022 Look at these two motherfuckers complaining that they are too good at the game to progress the story. I had no problem progressing the story guys! It was a piece of piss! I didn't even have to try to die enough times in a row to unlock the right dialogue! 3
drahkon Posted December 21, 2022 Posted December 21, 2022 2 minutes ago, Hero-of-Time said: Going through a run to find out that the right person wasn't there or the dialogue option wasn't correct was quite draining. Indeed. It's simple for the Olympian gods thanks to the keepsakes. However, I now have reached the point where I need them to give me a "quest" so I can eventually give them Ambrosia...no one has done so, yet.
drahkon Posted December 22, 2022 Posted December 22, 2022 (edited) 23 hours ago, drahkon said: However, I now have reached the point where I need them to give me a "quest" so I can eventually give them Ambrosia...no one has done so, yet. Wow, I was able to give Ambrosia to ONE Olympian after about 50 suicide and a few successful runs. This Platinum hunt has revealed so many flaws...endgame is unnecessary, you unlock the summons way too late (still only have two), the randomness of progression is awful, there is very little variance (boons don't change the gameplay much, if at all, making the game incredibly repetitive) and having to unlock more Heat instead of being able to immediately crank it up to the max is soooooo dumb. Sadly, I'm now pretty invested in the trophy hunt so giving up is out of the question Edited December 22, 2022 by drahkon 1
Hero-of-Time Posted December 24, 2022 Posted December 24, 2022 Really nice interview with Shu. He talks about his experience working for the PS brand all these years, curating and help indies on the PlayStation platforms and what his favourite games and platinum trophies are.
EEVILMURRAY Posted December 25, 2022 Posted December 25, 2022 I'm unsure how I feel about the PS5, the wife has just bought me one for Christmas and I'm mixed about it, whilst next gen stuff is nice, it isn't something I ever thought about getting, and the price I think is too much at the moment.
bob Posted December 25, 2022 Posted December 25, 2022 I'm unsure how I feel about the PS5, the wife has just bought me one for Christmas and I'm mixed about it, whilst next gen stuff is nice, it isn't something I ever thought about getting, and the price I think is too much at the moment. Did she keep the receipt?
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