Playstation 5 Console Discussion

[Ronnie]

15 minutes ago, Goron_3 said:

I doubt it'll be that cheap. Series S is cheaper because it has a much cheaper GPU, and therefore it needs a much cheaper cooling solution and packaging. It also has an off the shelf SSD, unlike the PS5.

I'm expecting £399 for the DE PS5 and the £499 for the regular PS5. 

Sure, that's what I expected beforehand too but Xbox's announcement might have changed their thinking in that regard...

[Goron_3]

14 minutes ago, Ronnie said:

Sure, that's what I expected beforehand too but Xbox's announcement might have changed their thinking in that regard...

I don't think so, simply because the entire industry was already aware of the Series S and I'm sure Sony knew it was going to effectively be a budget device.

What I am interested in is seeing how it sells. XBO and PS4 continued to sell more than the XBX and PS4 Pro as most people don't care about extra graphics. It'll be interesting to see if the Series S can help Microsoft in territories where Sony are typically stronger.

[drahkon]

Pre-orders open on Thursday.

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Spoiler

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[Julius]

9 minutes ago, drahkon said:

Pre-orders open on Thursday.

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[Julius]

From the Kena article Game Informer put up today: 

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First up, there’s the matter of load times. Sony has touted the speed of the PS5’s solid-state drive, and how it virtually eliminates long loads. In practice, we watched as Kena was launched from the PlayStation 5 system menu. It took about two seconds. That’s not resuming a suspended game, but launching the game fresh.

“They have a whole thing set up where you can do transition and it’s very nice, but frankly it doesn’t have time to play the animation. It just loads the game so fast,” says Josh Grier, chief operating officer at Ember Lab.

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The PlayStation 5’s controller is another significant upgrade. “The triggers on the DualSense controller have resistance on them, so we’re utilizing that for the heavy attacks, but also for the bow,” Mike says. “You draw it, and the way it sounds and the resistance feels like a bow tightening up.”

“The triggers are a part of it, but when you get the haptics in the hands, it really brings it all together,” Josh adds. “Obviously, you feel the tension in your trigger finger, but when you’ve got the bow drawn and you add the Rot into it, we can dynamically say, ‘OK, this right palm feels the Rot jumping into it.’ And then when we use the Rot cloud, as the cloud shifts from left to right on the screen, you can feel it transitioning from left to right in your hand, as well.”

Am I crazy or is two seconds for a cold boot like that pretty insane? 

[Happenstance]

I’m looking forward to finally being able to try out the new controller.

[bob]

Are we supposed to know what the Rot is? And should it sound so disgusting?

[Happenstance]

7 minutes ago, bob said:

Are we supposed to know what the Rot is? And should it sound so disgusting?

If you are so uncultured that you don’t know what the rot is then I’m not sure I want you on this forum.

[CrowingJoe79]

I just want to know the cost. LOL. If I have to start putting money away for the PS5 again, I need to be committed to not dipping into my savings anymore. 

Tokyo Game Show begins on 23 September.  

[Julius]

So we've just had box art go up for all of the PlayStation Studios titles shown in June's PS5 event, aside from Spider-Man: Miles Morales (which we already had) and Horizon Forbidden West. 

I'm not even going to say it...but come on! 

UPDATE: 

PS5 pre-orders going up on the 22nd..?

Imagine that's the US, not sure if it will be worldwide, but seems about right! 

UPDATE 2:

And back to square one...

Edited September 9, 2020 by Julius

[drahkon]

Ok, here we go. Microsoft spilled the beans, and those are some delicious ones.

Sony will have the last word. That could be the deciding factor for the launch period. If they play their cards right, they got it locked down.

Exciting times

[Julius]

50 minutes ago, drahkon said:

Ok, here we go. Microsoft spilled the beans, and those are some delicious ones.

Sony will have the last word. That could be the deciding factor for the launch period. If they play their cards right, they got it locked down.

Exciting times

Yep, pretty much where I'm at. Should have a price/pre-order date announcement before Xbox pre-orders go live on the 22nd I imagine. Or hope. I mean we have to know by TGS, surely? 

Based on Xbox's prices, I'm expecting them to price match the Series X with the disc version at £449/$499, and £399/$449 for the Digital Edition. I don't think they'd risk going higher, but even if we saw £499/$499 ($549?), I think they're still in a fine position. 

People will want third party AAA experiences, and they're coming to both consoles, many of them not part of Xbox's (admittedly awesome) Game Pass - I'm thinking of Cyberpunk in particular here. A shorter AAA first party game in Spider-Man: Miles Morales is going to perform like crazy, I honestly wouldn't be too surprised if they just went with that on the first party front at launch. I think everyone forgets just how crazy well the first one sold! 

Question marks over Demon's Souls, feel like that'd be a great title at launch, but if not at launch, then maybe in December? There are already so many games on the way to round out the year, and I'm not confident PlayStation would release two of their big games at the very start.

Would love to be wrong, but would have no idea when I'd get around to playing it, what with Cyberpunk 2077, Age of Calamity and (potentially) Spidey all so close together too 

Edited September 9, 2020 by Julius

[drahkon]

5 minutes ago, Julius said:

I think everyone forgets just how crazy well the first one sold!

Indeed.

Sony doesn't need to do much. Pretty much only this:

5 minutes ago, Julius said:

price match the Series X with the disc version at £449/$499, and £399/$449 for the Digital Edition

And this: deliver the next Spiderman game as a launch title. That's it.

3rd parties are already on board and with a lot of PS4 titles being ready to play on the PS5, they got that locked down, too.

I think it's just a matter of how much the PS5 will cost.

[bob]

6 hours ago, drahkon said:

And this: deliver the next Spiderman game as a launch title. That's it.

You're in luck; 

 

Spoiler

Spider-Fisk PS4 announced!

https://streamable.com/qw6kwb

 

 

Edited September 9, 2020 by bob

[Julius]

7 hours ago, drahkon said:

Indeed.

Sony doesn't need to do much. Pretty much only this:

And this: deliver the next Spiderman game as a launch title. That's it.

3rd parties are already on board and with a lot of PS4 titles being ready to play on the PS5, they got that locked down, too.

I think it's just a matter of how much the PS5 will cost.

Yep, always surprises me when people forget what a guaranteed juggernaut of a launch title Spider-Man: Miles Morales could be.

It's likely going to be a fraction of the price of 2018's Spider-Man, and somewhat continues the story of that game, which was one of the best- and fastest-selling of the generation. Miles Morales practically becoming a household name after the success of Into the Spider-Verse won't exactly hurt it's chances, either. 

Price and pre-order announcement. Tokyo Game Show. Pre-orders going live. Potentially another PlayStation event thrown in the mix at some point. And launch. 

Going to be a crazy next two months or so. You know, when things finally start ramping up! Which will be any day now...right? 

[drahkon]

I wonder what approach Sony will take.

Just a tweet to announce the price? If they match the price (i.e. 500 bucks for the disc version; 399 bucks for the DE - they can't match the Series S' price) a tweet would be enough.
If they decide to be much more aggressive a dedicated video would be the way to go. 

In any case, they need to get the message across that the PS5 DE is a much more powerful console than the Series S. People need to know that the price difference is justified. Hardcore gamers/PS4 enthusiasts already know that, but the "casuals" need some convincing.

Given how great the marketing for the PS5 has been so far, I'm not too worried.

Still...this announcement is very important. They gotta deliver  

[Will]

I’m still not buying this concept that Sony can’t afford to take a similar loss to Microsoft on the console. At this point they basically have two options, ignore the pricing of MS and position it as a much better offering (maybe difficult given it’s generally accepted the X is a better machine) or they do compete on price and position it as a better overall offer for consumers as they actually have some next-gen games and the entire audience is playing the same content.

If I was at Sony I’d be positioning the pricing somewhere in the middle of what Microsoft is doing and then massively push on the fact that the S is not next-gen. Pricing I’d say $400 and $300 will allow them to do that.

[drahkon]

6 minutes ago, will' said:

massively push on the fact that the S is not next-gen.

They should do that anyways.
"The only next-gen digital console", or something like that.

[Sheikah]

16 minutes ago, will' said:

I’m still not buying this concept that Sony can’t afford to take a similar loss to Microsoft on the console. At this point they basically have two options, ignore the pricing of MS and position it as a much better offering (maybe difficult given it’s generally accepted the X is a better machine) or they do compete on price and position it as a better overall offer for consumers as they actually have some next-gen games and the entire audience is playing the same content.

If I was at Sony I’d be positioning the pricing somewhere in the middle of what Microsoft is doing and then massively push on the fact that the S is not next-gen. Pricing I’d say $400 and $300 will allow them to do that.

I don't think they'll be able to go anywhere near as low as 400/300 dollars (assume US?). I've been thinking £399 for the digital edition as the best case and £449 (to match XSX) for the standard edition. Perhaps going to £499 for the standard edition, but hopefully not.

I know Dcubed thinks it's impossible for them to sell for this low, but can we really see them competing if they sell their system for 550, 600 pounds? Or whatever it's truly worth. It's not so much of a case of "they can't" but more a case of "they have to". 

I also know that Sony have sold at a loss before (they did with the PS4) and are willing to do so if they believe they can make the money back with game/service sales, which with the digital edition they are poised to do quite well.

Edited September 10, 2020 by Sheikah

[Julius]

2 hours ago, drahkon said:

I wonder what approach Sony will take.

Just a tweet to announce the price? If they match the price (i.e. 500 bucks for the disc version; 399 bucks for the DE - they can't match the Series S' price) a tweet would be enough.
If they decide to be much more aggressive a dedicated video would be the way to go. 

In any case, they need to get the message across that the PS5 DE is a much more powerful console than the Series S. People need to know that the price difference is justified. Hardcore gamers/PS4 enthusiasts already know that, but the "casuals" need some convincing.

Given how great the marketing for the PS5 has been so far, I'm not too worried.

Still...this announcement is very important. They gotta deliver  

Yeah, I'm really curious about this too.

There have been whispers of another event since even before the event in June, but the rumours around that always seemed to be centred more on software than hardware. That being said, we're still waiting for that teardown Cerny mentioned way back during the Road to PS5 video (obviously, plans might have changed since) and a better look at the UI.

I think there are still exclusive announcements they have yet to reveal, not necessarily for launch or even specifically in the launch year, such as any potential revival of a Konami IP with their backing, or something like Final Fantasy XVI. It might be a little ways off, but I mean, so was VII Remake when that was announced, and that's always been SE's thing. 

Whether or not any of these actually get announced before launch, though, I'm not sure. We have TGS in a few weeks, but honestly, I feel like it would be best to let the system launch and then have an event to bring in 2021 and give us a better look of what's on the horizon. Didn't they have something similar with PS4 around launch too which revealed Uncharted 4? 

So, I think it's tough to predict. I think PlayStation are probably better positioned than Xbox (in terms of social media presence - we saw the crazy numbers for the logo and controller) to just drop the prices on social media, but that just doesn't feel like something they'd do (especially if they're going to try anything like go under the Series X price with both versions - though I doubt it).

I think a streamed event with a focus on the launch lineup, showing some in-depth gameplay of Spider-Man: Miles Morales and whatever else is going to be there on Day 1, and then ending with the prices of the console and a date for pre-orders to go live would be the best way to get all eyes on them again.

But again, I don't think it's a necessity. Which I think makes it even more exciting to see what they choose to do. 

As for price, as @Sheikah and @will' mentioned, they're going to sell at a loss at launch, especially now. I don't think they'll take as much of a loss as Xbox (because they don't need to), but even in terms of production, I imagine they have plenty of deals to limit costs, purely because they've got another console likely to soar right on by the 100 million consoles sold mark in 5 years or so. Who wouldn't want in on that? 

But hasn't practically every console - I mean, very specifically here though, every PlayStation console - been sold at a sizeable loss at launch? It's the razor and blade model which has worked so well in this industry, and as has been mentioned plenty of times before, having a Digital Edition only puts them in a better position to make their money back, seeing as that's where they'd be making their money back anyways, but this time with a larger cut and a generally higher RRP (compared with physical). I think that's why I'm a bit confused at previous suggestions that Sony can't at least match the Series X with its disc version of the PS5, but even then, they could sell at £499 and it's still going to sell. 

Edited September 10, 2020 by Julius

[Julius]

So, there's a mysterious PAX event scheduled to start at 00:00 BST next Saturday (the 19th), currently titled 'Sony Holder'. 

Could be nothing, could be VR-related, could be anything. Could be a placeholder time. 

But with TGS starting the following week, as well as Xbox's Series pre-orders going live that week too, you would think something is on the way, and this seems to be the biggest hint so far that there might be some sort of event next week for the PS5. 

Again: could be nothing. But fingers crossed that's not the case. 

[Julius]

...and now box contents and model numbers have leaked from Hong Kong. 

Any month now...maybe... 

[Happenstance]

I’m just happy to see it comes with a plug.

[Fierce_LiNk]

54 minutes ago, Happenstance said:

I’m just happy to see it comes with a plug.

I'm all about the instruction manual, me.

I'm not sure how we're going to cope if they drop the manual out of the box to cut down on costs. Fucking madness if they do that, the crazy bastards. Nobody will able to work out how to turn the damn thing on or where to put the discs. Imagine the carnage on the digital version, where somebody tries putting the discs in through the fan area. It's an accident waiting to happen.

[Happenstance]

1 minute ago, Fierce_LiNk said:

I'm all about the instruction manual, me.

I'm not sure how we're going to cope if they drop the manual out of the box to cut down on costs. Fucking madness if they do that, the crazy bastards. Nobody will able to work out how to turn the damn thing on or where to put the discs. Imagine the carnage on the digital version, where somebody tries putting the discs in through the fan area. It's an accident waiting to happen.

To be fair I still don’t know which button powers on the PS4 and which ejects the disc.