Spider-Man (PS4)

[Shorty]

On 8/31/2018 at 8:10 PM, GenericAperson said:

OH NO! THERE ARE LESS PUDDLES IN THE GAME THAN THERE USED TO BE! NOT BUYING THIS GAME ANYMORE

(I jest of course, but that's what the reaction to the graphical downgrade seems to be like at the moment).

I don't think the game not having as good as graphics as was earlier shown is going to affect the overall quality of the game, if there's anything that is going to affect the game it is going to be gameplay and story issues, not a graphical downgrade.

It's clearly a significant graphical downgrade that a marketing genius has done an incredible job of spinning round so people are just making fun of others for complaining about puddles. Everything from lighting to the textures of Spidey himself look significantly worse, and that shouldn't be ignored/downplayed, especially on a game landing at £50 with DLC already being trailed.

[Ronnie]

1 hour ago, Shorty said:

It's clearly a significant graphical downgrade that a marketing genius has done an incredible job of spinning round so people are just making fun of others for complaining about puddles. Everything from lighting to the textures of Spidey himself look significantly worse, and that shouldn't be ignored/downplayed, especially on a game landing at £50 with DLC already being trailed.

Most big AAA games get downgraded by release (though certain other publishers games' actually improve visually closer to release), it's just a fact of the industry. I don't think it's intentionally misleading the consumer, just the reality of having to ship a bug-free game with a decent performance. I'm obviously not a developer but I suspect it's much easier/makes more sense to aim high then dial back if need be. Oh and I really can't see this game not being worth £50, it'll be full of content, and still looks beautiful IMO.

The DLC thing is annoying but it's the reality of games being cheaper than they've ever been, whilst being 100x more complex than back in the day. The timing of it is ridiculous though, that is inexcusable.

Edited September 4, 2018 by Ronnie

[bob]

Yeah, I wish that they would at least pretend that they hadn't already completed the DLC content before the game is released.

[Shorty]

1 hour ago, Ronnie said:

Most big AAA games get downgraded by release (though certain other publishers games' actually improve visually closer to release), it's just a fact of the industry. I don't think it's intentionally misleading the consumer, just the reality of having to ship a bug-free game with a decent performance. I'm obviously not a developer but I suspect it's much easier/makes more sense to aim high then dial back if need be.

 

You might be missing the part where they are adamantly claiming nothing has changed? It's not the downgrade that's the major issue, it's the misleading/claims that they were showing us final graphics and that nothing's changed.

[Ronnie]

16 minutes ago, Shorty said:

You might be missing the part where they are adamantly claiming nothing has changed? It's not the downgrade that's the major issue, it's the misleading/claims that they were showing us final graphics and that nothing's changed.

 

[Ronnie]

Depends how much you like puddles

[Shorty]

Good work proving my point about their marketing genius wrapping you around their little finger turning it into a joke/back around on the people making the complaints was an absolute killer move and it's worked on you guys fully.

Any visual downgrade didn't bother me much in the first place, it's really just their approach that has been uncool. Same with the DLC, I'll likely buy it, but I feel it's sudden and early arrival is a bit suspect.

[bob]

Oh man, this looks so good. I don't know if I'll be able to resist it for very long...

[Ronnie]

14 minutes ago, Shorty said:

turning it into a joke/back around on the people making the complaints was an absolute killer move

Agree, because the people making the complaints deserve to be laughed at in this case

[S.C.G]

Whether it has been upgraded or downgraded, the game still looks pretty good to me and my pre-order is locked in now so...

This will be the first Spider-Man game that I've bought since The Amazing Spider-Man VS the Kingpin on the Sega Mega-CD so I'm still looking forward to it.

I don't know how much of a difference there will be between playing on an original PS4 and a PS4 Pro but I'm still on my original console...

Just dusted it inside and out so it's ready to go - there actually wasn't that much dust in it as it happens - but better to be on the safe side.

Still not too happy about the dlc but... well, I might just wait on a sale for those extra parts of the game, at least we have the base game to hopefully enjoy for now.

 

[Grazza]

I very much agree with what @Shorty is saying.  Not that I think the game looks bad (quite the opposite), I just think people are very compliant and defensive over things they have already emotionally invested in.

 

24 minutes ago, S.C.G said:

This will be the first Spider-Man game that I've bought since The Amazing Spider-Man VS the Kingpin on the Sega Mega-CD so I'm still looking forward to it.

Haha, that was great.  I can still hear the song in my head.  Something about "It's swingtime…!"

[S.C.G]

3 minutes ago, Grazza said:

I very much agree with what @Shorty is saying.  Not that I think the game looks bad (quite the opposite), I just think people are very compliant and defensive over things they have already emotionally invested in.

Haha, that was great.  I can still hear the song in my head.  Something about "It's swingtime…!"

Yes, that pretty much sums up my thoughts as well, I wouldn't say that I'm personally too emotionally invested in Spider-Man but there's definitely something which appeals.

Specifically from the element of gameplay, just being able to web-swing around the city and I've always quite liked his back-story as well.

I'm not even too big on the films... the last one I watched was Spider-Man 2... the one which released around... 2004 but nothing since then.

There's plenty of audio from that Mega-CD game which still sticks in my head, especially the cut-scenes as well.

You're probably right, it has been a while since I played it but I kind of know which song you mean, I think I need to replay it soon when I set up my Multi Mega via RGB Scart.

[Grazza]

2 hours ago, S.C.G said:

Yes, that pretty much sums up my thoughts as well, I wouldn't say that I'm personally too emotionally invested in Spider-Man but there's definitely something which appeals.

Specifically from the element of gameplay, just being able to web-swing around the city and I've always quite liked his back-story as well.

 

Oh yeah, it looks great!  I'm seriously thinking of getting a PS4 for this and Dragon Quest XI.  I played Spider-Man 2 (excellent) and Ultimate Spider-Man (not so good), and wasn't quite sure if any of them after that did the concept as well as Spider-Man 2.  Climbing round the city was an experience I haven't matched again with anything else.

 

2 hours ago, S.C.G said:

I'm not even too big on the films... the last one I watched was Spider-Man 2... the one which released around... 2004 but nothing since then.

 

Those were the ones (Tobey Maquire's first two) that nailed it most, in my opinion, and that's not my judgement on the individual actors; just that they were the best in terms of storytelling and all-round entertainment.  However, I do think the nature of this character and his foes is more suited to a high-budget TV series.  Which is one reason I like the look of this game, actually - that it fits in all the (sometimes overlooked) villains.

[Ashley]

Going back a bit I'm not sure why confirming DLC pre-release is an issue specifically with this game as it's pretty much the norm now (the confirmation rather than the creation), but maybe I'm not paying enough attention. 

I'm curious to keep an eye on this game but lord knows I won't get a chance to play it soon. 

[Ronnie]

7 minutes ago, Ashley said:

Going back a bit I'm not sure why confirming DLC pre-release is an issue specifically with this game as it's pretty much the norm now (the confirmation rather than the creation), but maybe I'm not paying enough attention. 

I'm curious to keep an eye on this game but lord knows I won't get a chance to play it soon. 

I think it's more that it's out a month after the game releases, and there's trailers etc already being shown.

[Ike]

2 hours ago, Ashley said:

Going back a bit I'm not sure why confirming DLC pre-release is an issue specifically with this game as it's pretty much the norm now (the confirmation rather than the creation), but maybe I'm not paying enough attention. 

I'm curious to keep an eye on this game but lord knows I won't get a chance to play it soon. 

Probably because it's out so soon so people assume it was something taken out of the game to be sold later for extra money.

[Ashley]

8 hours ago, Ronnie said:

I think it's more that it's out a month after the game releases, and there's trailers etc already being shown.

 

6 hours ago, Ike said:

Probably because it's out so soon so people assume it was something taken out of the game to be sold later for extra money.

I'm not saying it's not shitty, but it's also not unique is it not? I seem to recall a number of games doing the same kind of thing, but maybe I'm getting confused or time is doing that Dali thing in my mind. 

[Hero-of-Time]

10 hours ago, Ashley said:

Going back a bit I'm not sure why confirming DLC pre-release is an issue specifically with this game as it's pretty much the norm now (the confirmation rather than the creation), but maybe I'm not paying enough attention. 

My main issue is that the DLC is coming so soon after the release of the game and apparently story threads are started in the main game that won't be resolved until you buy the DLC. It pretty much screams that at least the first set of DLC is finished already. 

[drahkon]

41 minutes ago, Hero-of-Time said:

My main issue is that the DLC is coming so soon after the release of the game and apparently story threads are started in the main game that won't be resolved until you buy the DLC. It pretty much screams that at least the first set of DLC is finished already. 

This is why I will finish the main game, trade-it in and read up on the DLC's story if I'm interested. 

[Ike]

2 hours ago, Ashley said:

 

I'm not saying it's not shitty, but it's also not unique is it not? I seem to recall a number of games doing the same kind of thing, but maybe I'm getting confused or time is doing that Dali thing in my mind. 

Oh, yeah. It's pretty common nowadays. Especially with fighters.

[Shorty]

3 hours ago, Ashley said:

I'm not saying it's not shitty, but it's also not unique is it not? I seem to recall a number of games doing the same kind of thing, but maybe I'm getting confused or time is doing that Dali thing in my mind. 

I think in part the thing is that they were giving such a good honest/transparent impression at first. They made a point that pre-order bonuses are not exclusives, that suits are not locked by microtransactions or loot boxes but are in-game rewards. All this felt quite refreshing. Then at the last minute to make it feel like some content was cut/paywalled is a bit disheartening. We shouldn't stop getting annoyed by bad practices just because they're becoming commonplace after all.

[Agent Gibbs]

15 hours ago, Grazza said:

 

 I played Spider-Man 2 (excellent) and Ultimate Spider-Man (not so good), and wasn't quite sure if any of them after that did the concept as well as Spider-Man 2.  Climbing round the city was an experience I haven't matched again with anything else.

 

Can we all stop bickering and address the real issue now ^^^^^^^^^^ Say what now? Ultimate Spider-man was amazing

[Ashley]

8 hours ago, Shorty said:

I think in part the thing is that they were giving such a good honest/transparent impression at first. They made a point that pre-order bonuses are not exclusives, that suits are not locked by microtransactions or loot boxes but are in-game rewards. All this felt quite refreshing. Then at the last minute to make it feel like some content was cut/paywalled is a bit disheartening. We shouldn't stop getting annoyed by bad practices just because they're becoming commonplace after all.

Going to respond to this one particularly but address others generally.

Oh yeah by all means be pissed, I was just confused as to why it seemed to be this game particularly irked (which you gave good reasons for cheers). I've dipped in and out of following this game so some things passed me by.

I think there are very few big games that aren't developed with plans for DLC from the off. Whether they develop it alongside or after, I think the industry has realised it's a good way to get more money. For what it's worth, I'd rather know up front before a game is released so I can make an informed decision 

And the DLC content being teased in the main game is a natural evolution of the Marvel post-credit sting. You brought this on yourselves by lapping it up 😋

 

[drahkon]

Tomorrow afternoon/night will be the first afternoon/night without any obligations/responsibilities/social interactions I've had in two weeks. Perfect timing for Spiderman to be released  

[drahkon]

Very, veeeeery slow day at work...I may leave early