Ronnie Posted January 23, 2017 Posted January 23, 2017 The only big game at launch is Zelda, a game we were promised in 2015 on the Wii U. So the only reason we have a decent launch title is because Nintendo messed up the Wii U so spectacularly and didn't manage to provide a main entry Zelda game within the first 4 years of the consoles life. And we're meant to be happy about this and buy a Switch in anticipation for this broken promise because, my god, it will be 900p instead of 720. Every big game gets delayed, whether Nintendo or otherwise. Welcome to 2016/2017. If BOTW were a Wii U only game, Mario Odyssey would be a launch title on Switch.
ArtMediocre Posted January 23, 2017 Posted January 23, 2017 I might well do yet though. And better yet, you get to keep your copy of Zelda: Breath of the Wild. I bet it will have loads of replayability.
Shorty Posted January 23, 2017 Posted January 23, 2017 Could do, just don't fancy the hassle of having to get up, get the tram into Manchester to get the Switch and then come back home. I used to live about 100 metres from a Grainger Games so I would've, but now I live a good few miles from any store so it's a bit of a ball-ache. I might well do yet though. If only there was some service that brings things right to your house! :p Sell the Wii U on ebay, buy the Switch online.... Get a much better deal than the shafting you get from trading with high street gaming retailers.
liger05 Posted January 23, 2017 Posted January 23, 2017 I was counting Xenoblade 2 as #9 since that is set for 2017 I do agree that third party could do with shoring up. I'm getting fed up of seeing developers say how great the Switch is, and that it's a great concept, and then say they have no plans. Put stuff out or shut the hell up, third parties. Do you blame them after the wii u debacle? They need to see the platform sell after the Wii U didn't. They go where the money is. If the switch sells enough third parties will develop games for it.
Rummy Posted January 23, 2017 Posted January 23, 2017 Put stuff out or shut the hell up I'll refer you back to these words next time you decide to hint at supposedly privileged information... The problem for me is originality, something the games seem to be lacking. ARMS looks ok but we haven't seen enough to know if it really has depth, aside from that what do we have? I'm not impressed by what I've seen of 1-2 switch at all, it looks so short lived and low on content. Splatoon clearly uses the same engine so whilst it's great we're getting new levels it's not going to feel particularly fresh and could have easily been DLC while Mario Kart has battle mode and well... Dry Bones. The third party support is also pretty terrible, we have Just Dance which was on pretty much every current and last gen system in October so not really a must have, that 4 year old 'Wii U exclusive' Rayman Legends and Skyrim is the 360 version of the game that won't even be out at launch lol. No twitch streaming, video recording or even the most basic of apps such as Netflix. For a device that can easily double as a tablet, that's more than missing a trick. The fact we know nothing about online when it releases in less than 2 months also makes me think they're once again woefully unprepared like with the Wii U day one download. But hey this is Nintendo, I should accept at this point that learning from mistakes is not in their blood. The only big game at launch is Zelda, a game we were promised in 2015 on the Wii U. So the only reason we have a decent launch title is because Nintendo messed up the Wii U so spectacularly and didn't manage to provide a main entry Zelda game within the first 4 years of the consoles life. And we're meant to be happy about this and buy a Switch in anticipation for this broken promise because, my god, it will be 900p instead of 720. This is the first time I won't be getting a Nintendo console at launch and I struggle to see reasons to get it near the end of the year. And I'm not being this harsh to purposely wind people up, it's because I'm genuinely annoyed/disappointed. I've been so excited for the release of every Nintendo console so it's a shame that a company I used to adore so much seems to be doing so little for me now. I think you've articulated my general feelings on Nintendo and feelings I've had since the Wii U much better than I ever could have. I feel quite sad when I think about it, sometimes.
dazzybee Posted January 23, 2017 Posted January 23, 2017 Zelda will mean the Switch sells well at launch, I'm just presuming Nintendo know this and will set up a more wide-appealing proposition at e3 ready for the autumn. It makes a lot of business sense to do that. If 5m peopel wanted the switch at launch that'll piss a lot of people off; but if Zelda will shift the launch allotment and others wait for Splatoon/mario/More games then it could all be timed quite well. A little more transparency on VC/accounts, online and concrete third party games would help though! But it'll come.
Nicktendo Posted January 23, 2017 Posted January 23, 2017 Really gutted about Switch not being able to stream Netflix. I mean I really could have done with that seventh device from which to stream House of Cards.
Ronnie Posted January 23, 2017 Posted January 23, 2017 Really gutted about Switch not being able to stream Netflix. I mean I really could have done with that seventh device from which to stream House of Cards. Ditto. I also needed a ninth web browser to browse the internet on. Stupid Nintendo
Josh64 Posted January 23, 2017 Posted January 23, 2017 Every big game gets delayed, whether Nintendo or otherwise. Welcome to 2016/2017. If BOTW were a Wii U only game, Mario Odyssey would be a launch title on Switch. In which case I may have actually bought a Switch because Mario Odyssey is the only game that looks ambitious/fresh right now. So yes, they could have made their Wii U buyers happy and actually given the Switch a new title at launch that wasn't artifically delayed. Ditto. I also needed a ninth web browser to browse the internet on. Stupid Nintendo Every modern device has a web browser. Welcome to 2016/2017. I see nothing good about leaving out a basic standard feature.
Dcubed Posted January 23, 2017 Posted January 23, 2017 (edited) Ditto. I also needed a ninth web browser to browse the internet on. Stupid Nintendo To be fair, the Wii U's web browser was pretty damn fantastic. It was my method of choice for Youtube and livestreams on the TV for a long time (until I got my Alienware Alpha to sit by my TV and handle all my media needs/PC games). If the Switch had a web browser of similar quality and interface of its own (but with better performance), I'd probably switch (HUHHUHHUH!) to using it. Wow. Very first time I've ever heard about this - very interesting! Classic Nintendo statement on it too It's a tad sensationalist. The VC release of SMB1 on the Wii VC just so happens to use the same iNES header format as found in SMB1 ROMs online, but that doesn't prove that the ROM came from the internet. All it means is that the ROM header (which they would have to place on their own ROM that they would dig out from the archives/rip from a cart etc anyway) just uses the same format as iNES. They could've (and probably did) just placed an iNES header on a clean ROM file. Nintendo are actually really good about archiving their stuff and have re-released the game multiple times before (even before the VC was a thing - hell as far back as the SNES era even), so they almost certainly still have the game's ROMs and source code. Sure, you do have some incidents like with Link's Awakening; where upon disassembling the game's code, people found signs that the GBC game was actually a ROM hack/disassembly of the original B&W version, implying that Nintendo had lost the game's source code. But then again, they still have the physical paper maps that they used while making the bloody game, so.... yeah. As far as archival goes, Nintendo probably does it better than anyone else (Which is especially noteworthy as Japanese developers in general are notorious for being really bad at archival...). Edited January 23, 2017 by Dcubed
Nicktendo Posted January 23, 2017 Posted January 23, 2017 Every modern device has a web browser. Welcome to 2016/2017. I see nothing good about leaving out a basic standard feature. A feature that likely a very few number of people will use. Plus when the console is docked it will be cumbersome without the touchscreen. It's just another expense, along with video streaming services that Nintendo clearly feel isn't justified, especially considering they have access to all kinds of data regarding Wii U and 3DS usage. I appreciate some people may be miffed or unimpressed but it's not the end of the world, is it? 99% of people have a portable device which can access the web and is just as featured packed / easy to use as a console web browser. Yes, a minority may take a hit in QoL, but Nintendo obviously feels the gains outweigh the drawbacks. They have said it's something they'll consider for the future, so it can always be added later should enough people complain about it. If it means a more streamlined gaming service, I'm all for it personally. Never used the Wii U or 3DS for any web browsing or streaming.
Josh64 Posted January 23, 2017 Posted January 23, 2017 A feature that likely a very few number of people will use. Plus when the console is docked it will be cumbersome without the touchscreen. It's just another expense, along with video streaming services that Nintendo clearly feel isn't justified, especially considering they have access to all kinds of data regarding Wii U and 3DS usage. I appreciate some people may be miffed or unimpressed but it's not the end of the world, is it? 99% of people have a portable device which can access the web and is just as featured packed / easy to use as a console web browser. Yes, a minority may take a hit in QoL, but Nintendo obviously feels the gains outweigh the drawbacks. They have said it's something they'll consider for the future, so it can always be added later should enough people complain about it. If it means a more streamlined gaming service, I'm all for it personally. Never used the Wii U or 3DS for any web browsing or streaming. I guess this is why I feel burnt out on Nintendo right now. I could accept we didn't get industry standard features with 3DS or Wii U but thought with the Switch we may finally be able to enjoy Nintendo games on a device as capable as other next gen devices. Instead, it seems they're even taking a backstep from the Wii U in terms of what is on offer. I don't think it's the minority that will miss these features but the majority. Sure, you can do these things on other devices, but couldn't you say that for a lot of things? Why have music on your phone if you have an iPod? By not providing these things Nintendo are making sure that the Switch is a secondary device as oppose to a primary one. A streamlined gaming service should have been possible with a decent OS and online features, not one or the other. These extra services are another selling point, something it desperately needs with their lack of launch games and third-party support.
Ashley Posted January 23, 2017 Posted January 23, 2017 A feature that likely a very few number of people will use. Plus when the console is docked it will be cumbersome without the touchscreen. Actually the use of motion control for keyboards in the Dual Shock 4 is quite good. Could easily work with the Pro Controller/Dog Face controller too.
Serebii Posted January 23, 2017 Author Posted January 23, 2017 A feature that likely a very few number of people will use. Plus when the console is docked it will be cumbersome without the touchscreen. It's just another expense, along with video streaming services that Nintendo clearly feel isn't justified, especially considering they have access to all kinds of data regarding Wii U and 3DS usage. I appreciate some people may be miffed or unimpressed but it's not the end of the world, is it? 99% of people have a portable device which can access the web and is just as featured packed / easy to use as a console web browser. Yes, a minority may take a hit in QoL, but Nintendo obviously feels the gains outweigh the drawbacks. They have said it's something they'll consider for the future, so it can always be added later should enough people complain about it. If it means a more streamlined gaming service, I'm all for it personally. Never used the Wii U or 3DS for any web browsing or streaming. Not to mention the browsers have kept acting as a springboard for people to break into the system structure for homebrew
Hero-of-Time Posted January 23, 2017 Posted January 23, 2017 Really gutted about Switch not being able to stream Netflix. I mean I really could have done with that seventh device from which to stream House of Cards. Not sure if you visit the Other Switch Thread but I posted this the other day. It was from a member of Neogaf and they were discussing the lack of streaming services. I'll be honest here, the likelyhood that I'd use Netflix on the Switch is extremely low. However, that's because I'm going to use it on my PS4 that also has Crunchyroll, Amazon Prime, Hulu, Crackle and it's own Sony media store. It's just easier. That said, it never had to be that way. For a long time I was running Windows Media Center to my TV, with launchers for Hulu, XBMC and a host of others for all my media needs. The DRM race began, plugins started getting broken for weeks at a time as Hulu and others tried to stay ahead of the people making the plugins, Microsoft abandoned Windows Media Center and now none of it ever worked as well as it did. So XBMC on my TV has all my media and all my streaming media's done through my PS4. Which brings me to the PS4, which also never had to be that way. Microsoft was well ahead of them in that space and Sony could have looked at Microsoft and said "we'll never match what Microsoft's doing, lets not bother," but they did and because they did I use the console almost every day. More than my PC and infinitely more than my Wii U. Now to why that matters. First, psychologically, to me, using something every day imbues it with a sense of value. I'm much more likely to stay current on my PS Plus subscription for a device I use all the time versus something I sporadically use. Even if my online gaming was non-existent that month. Second, I know what was released and what was on sale because, well, why not check while before I log off for the night after watching Hulu? I can not tell you the amount of money I've spent buying a game I want that happened to be on sale that I didn't have time to play just because I saw it up there. I know not everyone's like me. But everyone's also not like you. To me, there's not a chance in hell a Nintendo system could be my primary device. I mean, there is, but Nintendo's shown they have no desire to make a device that'd fill that role. But to someone else maybe these stupid media apps are what would decide whether it gets used every day or once every couple of months when the next Nintendo game is released. And that's huge because that incentivizes that person to stay current on their Nintendo Network payment, it means they have a higher chance to make impulse purchases on the eShop. It'd color their decision to pick up a multiplatform game on their Switch over another platform they may own because they use it often and like the convenience. All of these things impact one another. And the fact Nintendo's basically forfeiting that audience, not trying and failing to meet their expectations but flat out not bothering is telling. As far as competition goes, you can't be number one by gunning for last. While the chances of them beating Microsoft and Sony in the console space are slim I think anyone will tell you that they have no chance to do so if they don't try, and, even if the goal is lofty the more effort put in should generally lead to greater success even if they don't come out number one. Right now I think Nintendo's mindset is downright toxic to their longevity and they should be called out on this shit. And lastly, no, doing more doesn't take away from what it does. Nintendo allowing a media app isn't taking someone away from Fire Emblem or some shit.
Rummy Posted January 23, 2017 Posted January 23, 2017 (edited) It's a tad sensationalist. The VC release of SMB1 on the Wii VC just so happens to use the same iNES header format as found in SMB1 ROMs online, but that doesn't prove that the ROM came from the internet. All it means is that the ROM header (which they would have to place on their own ROM that they would dig out from the archives/rip from a cart etc anyway) just uses the same format as iNES. They could've (and probably did) just placed an iNES header on a clean ROM file. Is it though? To my layman's mind I find myself asking a simple question - if developed entirely in-house and from scratch why would one(or more, as it seems you suggest) of Nintendo's official released VC games contain an iNES header in it? Why even use an emulator dev/hackers header/file format if you're supposedly so against emulation and everything it brings and developing from scratch in-house? Again, maybe I'm just not educated enough on the matter, but as far as I'm concerned there should be no such trace of an iNES header if Nintendo did it all in-house as claimed. It certainly still appears as if they're using the work of someone who they condemn heavily. I'd address the second half of the post but all of this moves further from the Switch and a lot of it makes too many assumptions - if you have some solid evidence to back it I'll happily take it, but otherwise it's almost nothing more than anybody else's equally valid and unbacked speculations(though for yourself personally I give a little more credit than that, so please don't take any offence by it as I don't think you'd assert that view lightly). Edited January 23, 2017 by Rummy
Nicktendo Posted January 23, 2017 Posted January 23, 2017 I guess this is why I feel burnt out on Nintendo right now. I could accept we didn't get industry standard features with 3DS or Wii U but thought with the Switch we may finally be able to enjoy Nintendo games on a device as capable as other next gen devices. Instead, it seems they're even taking a backstep from the Wii U in terms of what is on offer. I don't think it's the minority that will miss these features but the majority. Sure, you can do these things on other devices, but couldn't you say that for a lot of things? Why have music on your phone if you have an iPod? By not providing these things Nintendo are making sure that the Switch is a secondary device as oppose to a primary one. A streamlined gaming service should have been possible with a decent OS and online features, not one or the other. These extra services are another selling point, something it desperately needs with their lack of launch games and third-party support. I dunno, when I'm buying a games console I usually want to know if it will play games and if they will be decent. I'm not sure many people picked up a PS4 or 3DS based on whether they could surf the web on it. Like I said, I'm sure it's important to x amount of people, but I'm pretty sure these people are in the minority. It seems to be important to a few people on this forum, but I really do wonder how representative we really are of the Switch's potential audience. Mostly people who grew up with Nintendo but do most of our gaming on other devices. Like you said, every device has basic web browsing features in 2017. Soon you will be probably be able to stream from your dog. Is it REALLY necessary? Is it really going to be the thing that forces a huge number of people to not buy a Switch? Time will tell. I still have an iPod by the way, because my phone only has 16gb and I prefer the simplicity of iTunes over anything Android offers. I can browse the web and stream Netflix on it too. Not that I really use it for that, because I need WiFi, so out of the house or in the car it's almost useless except as a decent music player
Sheikah Posted January 23, 2017 Posted January 23, 2017 Like you said, every device has basic web browsing features in 2017. Soon you will be probably be able to stream from your dog. Is it REALLY necessary? Is it really going to be the thing that forces a huge number of people to not buy a Switch? Time will tell. No time required on that one. Quite simply, no.
Nicktendo Posted January 23, 2017 Posted January 23, 2017 Not sure if you visit the Other Switch Thread but I posted this the other day. It was from a member of Neogaf and they were discussing the lack of streaming services. I saw the post as well too, and while I agree to some extent, I do think this is focused on gamers who post in online forums and not the vast majority of people. I still think there is a lot to be said for the Switch being exclusively a gaming device. The Switch will be my primary gaming device. I have no desire to purchase an Xbox or PlayStation for gaming. Having a decent tablet and a internet enabled TV means I can stream what I want, where I want or browse the web as I choose. Like this guy, I know this doesn't work for everyone. Some people use a PS4 as their main streaming device, some people a TV, a set-top-box or an Xbox. How many people can afford to be subscribed to a multitude of streaming services, or some of the lesser known ones? How many teenage girls own a 3DS? There are so many potential owners for the Switch and so many variations in how people use media services or the web. Once again I'll state that Nintendo have access to all kinds of data regarding usage of their Wii U and 3DS systems and have obviously come to an informed decision regarding certain features' inclusion. They may have it completely wrong, it wouldn't be the first time, but again, I think too many people are focusing on what isn't there rather than what is. In Summer, once the online features start rolling out, we'll have a clearer sense of Nintendo's direction. They will then have some actual feedback regarding Switch and its features and functions as opposed to speculation and will be able to reach a decision as to whether make strides to include these features. There isn't a right or a wrong answer in this debate. Nintendo have made a decision which may be correct or may be catastrophic. Let the sales numbers do the talking and then let's see how Nintendo address issues the wider gaming community has if it doesn't take off. I think it's the correct decision, others disagree, if Nintendo go back and add support for a web browser then obviously enough people found it to be a big omission and I'll happily state I was wrong about this.
Hero-of-Time Posted January 23, 2017 Posted January 23, 2017 @Nicktendo I just thought it was a good bit of writing from that guy and worth a post. We live in a time when people expect their devices to do more than one thing. It's fine that Nintendo seem to want to make a pure gaming machine but it's a decision that could come and bite them in the backside. My two oldest nieces are gamers, one has a Xbox One and the other a PS4. They both use them for watching things like, Sky, YouTube and Crunchyroll, despite both having tablets. Why? It's simply convenient. They will be playing a game and then may want to just kick back and watch a show on their TVs, all done with a simple click to the dashboard. They both sit in party chat as well and watch the same shows at the same time with their friends. Granted, there will be many who don't do stuff like this but this is an example of those who do. Myself and a few on here have done similar things when gaming conference have been on. We fire up party chat, load up YouTube or the web browser and sit and watch Directs or E3 conferences at the same time. Stuff like this can make or break a product, especially when its seen as a negative and word spreads about it.
Happenstance Posted January 23, 2017 Posted January 23, 2017 One thing for me and the Switch not having media streaming is that if I ever plan on going out and think I may stream something etc then I'm never going to want to take a tablet and the Switch to weigh my bag down. I might have chosen to just bring the Switch with my so I could play Zelda as well but now I'll just be leaving the Switch at home and taking the iPad instead.
Hero-of-Time Posted January 23, 2017 Posted January 23, 2017 Another game will be ready for launch. I AM SETSUNA COMING TO NINTENDO SWITCH ON MARCH 3Game to be Fully Playable on the go in Handheld Mode for the First Time LOS ANGELES (Jan. 23, 2017) -- Nintendo Switch players will soon enjoy the unforgettable and heartfelt story of I AM SETSUNA, the debut title from Tokyo RPG Factory, SQUARE ENIX’s newest studio. It will be available as a digital day one launch title, and will include exclusive new features such as the “Temporal Battle Arena,” where players can enjoy thrilling battles against other players’ parties Gutted we are missing out on the boxed version. If I went ahead with a Switch purchase I certainly would have snapped it up but now....
Hogge Posted January 23, 2017 Posted January 23, 2017 I just threw together a video covering my thoughts on the Switch so far. Hope it sparks a bit of debate
Josh64 Posted January 23, 2017 Posted January 23, 2017 One thing for me and the Switch not having media streaming is that if I ever plan on going out and think I may stream something etc then I'm never going to want to take a tablet and the Switch to weigh my bag down. I might have chosen to just bring the Switch with my so I could play Zelda as well but now I'll just be leaving the Switch at home and taking the iPad instead. Exactly, this is the point I was trying to make. Being a tablet-like device, now more than ever Nintendo should have been focused on those kind of extras. From a buyers perspective, if you're thinking of buying a tablet or Switch, knowing the Switch has an internet browser and a bunch of streaming servcies as well as decent games might sway you that way but if you hear it only plays games compared to the mass multi-functionality of a tablet, it will potentially lose out. I dunno, when I'm buying a games console I usually want to know if it will play games and if they will be decent. I'm not sure many people picked up a PS4 or 3DS based on whether they could surf the web on it. Like you said, every device has basic web browsing features in 2017. Soon you will be probably be able to stream from your dog. Is it REALLY necessary? Is it really going to be the thing that forces a huge number of people to not buy a Switch? Time will tell. But why not be both? At the minute the games it will play won't pick up until later in the year aside from a few ports and ARMS so some extra features would give me more reason to use the £280 gadget I just purchased. And yeah, soon you will be able to stream from your dog and not from a Switch. What I mean is, the Switch is clearly lacking features that nearly every other device has, I just don't see how this is not a glaring problem, especially as it could be such a huge selling point for a tablet device. I get your point that it's not for you and that's great. What I don't buy is the fact that masses dont care as I really think they do. It's just one of those things that Nintendo could have easily implemented but instead choose to shoot themselves in the foot.
Ronnie Posted January 23, 2017 Posted January 23, 2017 Nice reaction video to the Switch events in London, the US and Japan...
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