david.dakota Posted September 13, 2013 Posted September 13, 2013 Late to the party! Has it been confirmed is save files are transferrable from PS3 to PS4 for the game upgrade discounts? I imagine it'd be easy with cloud save but haven't read anything.
Cookyman Posted September 13, 2013 Posted September 13, 2013 Oh dear - XBoner can argue all they want but this can't be good news for them... From Edge Power struggle: the real differences between PS4 and Xbox One performance PlayStation 4 is currently around 50 per cent faster than its rival Xbox One. Multiple high-level game development sources have described the difference in performance between the consoles as “significant” and “obvious.” Our contacts have told us that memory reads on PS4 are 40-50 per cent quicker than Xbox One, and its ALU (Arithmetic Logic Unit) is around 50 per cent faster. One basic example we were given suggested that without optimisation for either console, a platform-agnostic development build can run at around 30FPS in 1920×1080 on PS4, but it’ll run at “20-something” FPS in 1600×900 on Xbox One. “Xbox One is weaker and it’s a pain to use its ESRAM,” concluded one developer. Microsoft is aware of the problem and, having recently upped the clock speed of Xbox One, is working hard to close the gap on PS4, though one developer we spoke to downplayed the move. “The clock speed update is not significant, it does not change things that much,” he said. “Of course, something is better than nothing.” Even this close to launch, “the hardware isn’t locked,” said another source. Sony and Microsoft are each still working on the graphics drivers for each console, and Xbox One is lagging behind in this regard – Microsoft “has been late on their drivers and that has been hurting them,” said one source. Another described Xbox One’s graphics drivers less charitably as “horrible”. Both consoles’ graphics drivers will continue to improve right up to – and beyond – launch, which will even up the difference in performance a little. Xbox One does, however, boast superior performance to PS4 in other ways. “Let’s say you are using procedural generation or raytracing via parametric surfaces – that is, using a lot of memory writes and not much texturing or ALU – Xbox One will be likely be faster,” said one developer. Both platform holders are, of course, encouraging developers to take advantage of each console’s unique features (the DualShock 4’s touch pad and Kinect, for example) but there’s little enthusiasm for either among the developers we spoke to. “They really want us to make use of platform specific stuff to give their version a leg up over the other,” said one source. “But unless there’s a good design reason or incentive we rarely do.” Indeed, despite that gulf in speed, the differences between cross platform launch window games will be negligible; with tight deadlines to meet, it’s more expedient for developers to deliberately create near-identical versions. “The poor [graphics] drivers have made it difficult to push either of them, and the developers aren’t familiar with the hardware yet,“ said one source. Another stated that we’ll begin to see far greater use of each platform’s unique features once we’re past the first wave of releases, when developers have more time and experience with each console’s quirks. One source even suggested that enforcing parity across consoles could become a political issue between platform holders, developers and publishers. They said that it could damage perceptions of a cross platform title, not to mention Xbox One, if the PS4 version shipped with an obviously superior resolution and framerate; better to “castrate” the PS4 version and release near-identical games to avoid ruffling any feathers. This claim was later countered by a contact at a different studio. “It would be totally fine for us to make one version prettier without any political difficulties but it usually doesn’t make financial sense,” they said, “unless it’s a very simple tweak.” From neogaf - Come on Major Nelson, come here and tell us how all the devs are wrong and there's no difference in power between both consoles.
Cube Posted September 13, 2013 Posted September 13, 2013 The big question is: will we actually see this in third party games?
dazzybee Posted September 13, 2013 Posted September 13, 2013 You ignoring the bit where it says in some conditions the xbox will perform better? The xbox 360 is loads less powerful than the ps3 and it didn't do it any harm... This place has got a real childish streak. Some rampant sony fanboys in here!! Anyways, it's the sony lovers I'm actually wanting some help from so don't take it personally and disregard this message So, I've had pretty much every handheld and console that's ever been released. I've always got consoles at launch and there's no way I'm getting an xbox (even though the launch lineup looks better to me); but for some reason I don't have a desire to get a ps4... which is weird. The social stuff looks great and obviously eventually it'll have so many third party games I won't say no. But for launch I'm not tempted, obviously the obvious answer is to just not get it and get it later when there're games I want. I know that, and will probably do it, but I like shiny things. So, what is so great about the ps4 at launch? I'm not interested in the multi platform games that are on the ps4 as they'll be upscaled version of last gen games, I'll get them on the wii u. So that leaves knack and kill zone, knack looks average to me and kill zone has always been reasonable if a little flat, definitely not worth buying a console for. Just wondered if there were other factors I should be considering. Or if I'm misjudging some games. Admittedly I know nothing about the machine or really the games and these are based on presumptions and watching all the conferences since its unveiling, but I don't keep up. Quite simply, what's so great about the ps4?
The Bard Posted September 13, 2013 Posted September 13, 2013 The Xbox 360 wasn't loads less powerful - it actually had huge advantages over the PS3, namely unified RAM, processing architecture that didn't rely on multithreading nearly as much as the Cell, and a better GPU. It was far easier to develop for. The Xbox One and the PS4 are almost architecturally identical meaning there won't be any complications or differences that arise from idiosyncrasies to do with the way the systems are put together - except, the PS4 is more powerful. The only advantage the One has comes from the fact that DDR3 RAM has slightly less latency than GDDR5 ram, a fact more than compensated for by the ridiculous bus width of the latter.
Cube Posted September 14, 2013 Posted September 14, 2013 http://www.computerandvideogames.com/429373/battlefield-4-ps3-copies-include-voucher-for-cheap-ps4-upgrade/ Details on the PS3-to-PS4 game upgrade. For Battlefield 4, early copies of the game (so launch day and probably a few weeks after) will come with a voucher to get the digital PS4 version for £10. If a similar thing happens with Black Flag, I may get the PS3 version, grab the code, then trade it in straight away.
Cookyman Posted September 14, 2013 Posted September 14, 2013 This place has got a real childish streak. Some rampant sony fanboys in here!! It's a Sony thread - what do you expect? I don't know about being childish though........... na, na, na, na, na!
dazzybee Posted September 15, 2013 Posted September 15, 2013 (edited) I thought the wii u was the kiddy console So about the ps4. Whys it so special? I really wish it was backwards compatible. Is the PSN store backwards compatibleocr is that completely different too? If I could move everything over Itd be way more tempting. And lastly, what's the latest with vita remote play, is actually meant to be really good or has there been no hands on yet. Edited September 15, 2013 by dazzybee
Sheikah Posted September 15, 2013 Posted September 15, 2013 I thought the wiki u was the kiddy console So about the ps4. Whys it so special? I really wish it was backwards compatible. Is the PSN store backwards compatibleocr is that completely different too? If I could move everything over Itd be way more tempting. And lastly, what's the latest with vita remote play, is actually meant to be really good or has there been no hands on yet. A trip to the Wii boards will instantly validate your previous assumption. Anyway, backwards compatibility isn't such a big deal so long as you keep your PS3. I'm sure that PS1 games will still work
dazzybee Posted September 15, 2013 Posted September 15, 2013 Well my ps3 died stiff it was backwards comparable IOU ld have certainly just got a ps4 waited, but it isn't, so ordered the gta v last of us deal, sell gta v sealed for 35 (hopefully) meaning I get the ps3 for 150. Not bad. Just wondered if there was any great incentive to get a ps4 at launch (it'll be weird not getting it at launch). My presumption is all the multiplatform game will just be shiny version of last gen, and the knack and kill zone are the only exclusives and knack looks average and kill zone will be as average as the others. These are presumptions as I haven't been keeping up to date, but there doesn't seem to be hands on and such and wondered what people's thoughts were.
david.dakota Posted September 15, 2013 Posted September 15, 2013 Anyway, backwards compatibility isn't such a big deal so long as you keep your PS3. I'm sure that PS1 games will still work I've no longer got the room for multiple consoles so its not an option. I recall there was some talk of gaikai being used for PS3 backwards compatibility.
Happenstance Posted September 15, 2013 Posted September 15, 2013 I've no longer got the room for multiple consoles so its not an option. I recall there was some talk of gaikai being used for PS3 backwards compatibility. Yeah, although that stuff is supposed to come to the US next year but Europe will be taking a lot longer because of our slower broadband speeds.
Daft Posted September 16, 2013 Posted September 16, 2013 (edited) Samurai Gunn is another PS4 indie to get excited about - Kurosawa and pixel-art meet in a duel to the death. Thought it looked a bit blah but after reading the article, it sounds like fun. Probably won't pick it up unless the price is right. I can imagine it'd be a lot of fun with PS3/Vita/PSVTV LAN play. EDIT: LOL Also... Edited September 16, 2013 by Daft
Daft Posted September 17, 2013 Posted September 17, 2013 Naughty Dog received 120 PS4 dev kits yesterday
flameboy Posted September 17, 2013 Posted September 17, 2013 Yeah, although that stuff is supposed to come to the US next year but Europe will be taking a lot longer because of our slower broadband speeds. See this makes little sense to me large parts if the states have piss poor internet its like they only think of the people in the major cities.
Daft Posted September 17, 2013 Posted September 17, 2013 I think it's more to do with server allocation across country boarders. The US is one big country, the EU is a clusterfuck of different regulations.
Ashley Posted September 18, 2013 Posted September 18, 2013 Whereas I had to sing this to myself: ...what are we doing? gifs?
Hero-of-Time Posted September 19, 2013 Posted September 19, 2013 Shortages incoming? The PlayStation UK team is in crucial talks to secure more PS4 consoles, after admitting it had underestimated how popular it would be. Sources close to the platform holder have told MCV that the current number of units expected in the UK is unlikely to satisfy demand. The machine could be in short supply for up to four months after launch. Pre-orders have already surpassed the firm’s original predictions, and the company has had to turn off day one orders in an effort not to disappoint any eager gamers still wanting to get a machine on launch. But Sony is worried that if potential customers cannot buy a PS4, then they may choose Xbox One instead.
Daft Posted September 19, 2013 Posted September 19, 2013 That's pretty impressive. Nice to see it working on the show floor.
flameboy Posted September 19, 2013 Posted September 19, 2013 Shortages incoming? Wow sounds like PS2 preorder fuckathon all over again.
Sheikah Posted September 19, 2013 Posted September 19, 2013 There's nothing really killer to buy in the first few months so I'm not that bothered.
Cube Posted September 24, 2013 Posted September 24, 2013 Hmm, from how I sit when I play games, I may need to put some electrical tape on the controller.
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