Rummy Posted October 21, 2011 Posted October 21, 2011 So, this seems to have caused quite a stir in the media etc at the moment, and I was wondering what other people are thinking. I don't know the ins and outs, but apparently he tweeted something about the word? Or used it? My suprise is why is this causing such an issue now, considering I saw the beginning of his stand-up the other night(Science, is it?) he essentially refers to it in the same way, right? Anyway, I was curious on people's thoughts on it.
Agent Gibbs Posted October 21, 2011 Posted October 21, 2011 i haven't heard that word in years, it was an insult meaning they were a retard right? so because its not a PC word there is controversy? give me strength
Jon Posted October 21, 2011 Posted October 21, 2011 People surely realise what to expect from comedians, it's not exactly a new thing is it. On a side note, I detest Gervais. I find more laughter in a piece of bread.
Serebii Posted October 21, 2011 Posted October 21, 2011 He wasn't using it that badly. This is just typical Daily Mail reactions
Rummy Posted October 21, 2011 Author Posted October 21, 2011 People surely realise what to expect from comedians, it's not exactly a new thing is it. On a side note, I detest Gervais. I find more laughter in a piece of bread. Not bigger than the bread bin then? They were discussing on the good ol' Wright Stuff this morning, one lady rang in with quite the sensible view that it doesn't matter if there's no intended malice in it or it's being used in a sense to say someone's disabled. Quite rightly said that it doesn't matter what you outlaw the technically used terms will end up being used as derogatory eventually(see retarded, spastic etc). She even mentioned that she had raised a 'retarded son' and silly Sally Bercow on the panel seemed disgusted at her using the word! A woman who's raised a son with disabilities!! I think it was at that point I decided some folk are just being self righteous for the sake of it. Apparently because 'they'(people suffering disabilities) can't or won't defend themselves against this we should on their behalf. Even more shocking, a 26 year old lady rang in and said she used the word all the time and didn't even know it had a link to terms for disabled people!
Dannyboy-the-Dane Posted October 21, 2011 Posted October 21, 2011 Another debate about humour and political correctness. I refer to my posts back in previous threads on the issue.
EEVILMURRAY Posted October 21, 2011 Posted October 21, 2011 http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3880230/Storm-over-mong-jibes-by-TVs-Ricky-Gervais.html This pretty much explains it. But to answer the question posed in the thread title: No, he's not a mong. He's the biggest twat the world has ever seen.
Wesley Posted October 21, 2011 Posted October 21, 2011 Well straight away it doesn't explain it because that's not his "mong" pose. He's never said that's his "mong" pose. That's just The Sun being a massive mong-corporation right there. ACTUALLY! I take it all back. Look at this massive twat. Fucking monster.
Sheikah Posted October 21, 2011 Posted October 21, 2011 There is no reason to be offended, mong is a great word. For those politically correct retards, he is as much referring to special people with 'mong' as the PC brigade are referring to faecal matter when they something bad is 'shit'.
EEVILMURRAY Posted October 21, 2011 Posted October 21, 2011 He's never said that's his "mong" pose. That's true. He posts snaps of himself in what he calls "monged-up" poses, with captions like: "My favourite drink is toilet." Gotta give them credit for being close though.
Daft Posted October 21, 2011 Posted October 21, 2011 I saw Ricky Gervais live testing out his material for his actual tour and he was amazingly un-PC. The only point at which I was offended was when he just wasn't funny (which I think were like two bits) at which point his un-PC-ness unraveled. Otherwise, hysterical. And this is coming for someone with an other worldly hatred for him. I think he's an utter cunt. But I can't deny there were some very funny part of the show. As for using the word 'mong', please. Language is totally fluid. I think it's probably more offensive to think 'mong' could still be associated with Down's Syndrome. Not to mention I always thought 'mong' was a shortening of the derogatory term 'mongoloid'.
flameboy Posted October 21, 2011 Posted October 21, 2011 I don't think it holds the same weight that the word retard seems to hold now. I mean I work with children with learning dificulties and the word retard is just never used. Mong seems to have a much more "casual status" I'd still be pretty shocked if I heard someone say it within my work context yet using the word as a almost heightened version of idiot or something seems to become acceptable.
darksnowman Posted October 21, 2011 Posted October 21, 2011 But to answer the question posed in the thread title: No, he's not a mong. He's the biggest twat the world has ever seen. I can't think of anyone off the top of my head but there's bound to be a bigger twat out there. Still, Gervais is up there with the worst of em.
Dog-amoto Posted October 21, 2011 Posted October 21, 2011 Ricky Gervais is a mong... ...my list of people I want to punch in the face.
The Peeps Posted October 21, 2011 Posted October 21, 2011 He's not using the word to relate to down's syndrome people which is apparently what mong is linked to. I don't see a problem with it. You can row a boat or have a row of numbers, same word different meaning.
EEVILMURRAY Posted October 21, 2011 Posted October 21, 2011 He's not using the word to relate to down's syndrome people which is apparently what mong is linked to. I don't see a problem with it. You can row a boat or have a row of numbers, same word different meaning. What's the other meaning you attribute to the comment made about Susan Boyle "Looking like a mong"?
The Peeps Posted October 21, 2011 Posted October 21, 2011 Looking a bit dim/weird. It's not specifically saying Susan Boyle looks like she has down's syndrome. "The modern use of the word mong means 'dopey' or 'ignorant'," said Gervais in a statement. "It's even in modern slang and urban dictionaries."
RoadKill Posted October 21, 2011 Posted October 21, 2011 (edited) What's the other meaning you attribute to the comment made about Susan Boyle "Looking like a mong"? None other. It's actually quite offensive in that context.. Looking a bit dim/weird. It's not specifically saying Susan Boyle looks like she has down's syndrome. Mong is short for mongoloid, or mongolism, which is literally an older/alternative term for Down's Syndrome, also known as Trisomy 21. It's the meaning of the term, and the origin of the term. The fact people don't know this doesn't mean Ricky Gervais doesn't. He might seem stupid, but he almost certainly knows that. I don't find him amusing in the slightest, but that has nothing to do with this. It has to do with the fact he isn't funny. Edited October 21, 2011 by RoadKill
EEVILMURRAY Posted October 21, 2011 Posted October 21, 2011 Urban Dictionaries? Taken from Urbandictionary (the top result anyway) Adj. Lacking in physical and cerebal ability. General retardation. Generally: a total spastic No I don't need you to help me with my supermarket trolley, you fucking mong I must be out of touch, I've never heard mong used in Gervais' context (I feel the irony)
Sheikah Posted October 21, 2011 Posted October 21, 2011 She does look a mong though. It's like when someone does something stupid and you call them a retard. You're not actually saying they have a genetic condition, but the mild link of being stupid to being retarded is there.
RoadKill Posted October 21, 2011 Posted October 21, 2011 She does look a mong though. It's like when someone does something stupid and you call them a retard. You're not actually saying they have a genetic condition, but the mild link of being stupid to being retarded is there. Yes, she does look like a mong, because she is a sufferer of mongolism (Down's Syndrome). It's a pretty inappropriate comment, no matter how you look at it
Sheikah Posted October 21, 2011 Posted October 21, 2011 (edited) Urban Dictionaries? Taken from Urbandictionary (the top result anyway) I must be out of touch, I've never heard mong used in Gervais' context (I feel the irony) It is used non literally all the time, just as gay is. Hence it shouldn't really be offensive to anyone. Edited October 21, 2011 by Sheikah
Wesley Posted October 21, 2011 Posted October 21, 2011 Did Ricky Gervais ever actually say that she looks like a mong? I don't really remember that to be honest.
ReZourceman Posted October 21, 2011 Posted October 21, 2011 But she does look disabled..... Oh I'm late. She is disabled? I seeeeeee. Disabled/downesish/whatever.
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