Aimless Posted September 20, 2010 Posted September 20, 2010 That's an impressively worthless comparison, Zechs. Good job.
dwarf Posted September 20, 2010 Author Posted September 20, 2010 That's an impressively worthless comparison, Zechs. Good job. In all seriousness Aimless, I think a congratulations is in order! WELL DONE!
Cookyman Posted September 20, 2010 Posted September 20, 2010 Well Move in it's first week it has only 'moved' 140,000 units across Europe and the Americas, what's more Sports Champions has only managed 100,000 copies. Compare this to Wii Sports Resort which did 552,490 in the Americas in week one and 360,588 in Europe giving a combined total of 913,078. source: http://gamrfeed.vgchartz.com/story/82122/playstation-move-preliminary-sales-figures-in/ Dammit that settles it - I'm throwing my PS3 in the bin. I'll clean the inch layer mound of dust from my Wii and fire it up. Why have I been so stupid? thanks Zechs you've opened my eyes up to the power of the Wii. I think we need some of this applied liberally to this thread!
Ganepark32 Posted September 20, 2010 Posted September 20, 2010 Well, Sports Champion was the second best selling game of last week in the UK (not hard to guess what was no. 1) so I'd guess Sony'd be happy enough with how its doing. They've said it's going to be a slow start but seems to be doing well enough out of the gate. At least I think so. Choze, if you're about how does MAG control with Move? I'm curious to hear how well it works in an FPS. If I'm being honest, while I find motion controls alright in an FPS in single player, in an online setting I feel that it's not particularly suited, but this is just me and this is based on my experiences with the Wii where even the most customisable options seem a bit too inaccurate for online settings (may well be a reason why standard controls are now being included more in shooters there). Precision weapons can be a nuisances to use. So yeh, if you don't mind, a few words on how MAG is working with Move would be greatly appreciated by me
dwarf Posted September 20, 2010 Author Posted September 20, 2010 Don't flatter him with the word 'troll', he's just an idiot. Zealot Merkin, I concede defeat. You win this time! May we Playstation owners smite you another day, for we know there is only one console, and we know it would be sin to play them all! ---- (He's such a weird subject)
Wesley Posted September 20, 2010 Posted September 20, 2010 (edited) You're mad if you think it will have flooped after 6 month. I meant I'll give it 6 months until I look into getting it. EDIT: And yeah, that comparison was a bit weird. It's unsettling that me and my friends saw Move in a Game and were, "oh... it's out?". Now... we haven't been keeping track of it, but... I haven't been keeping track of Halo and I knew when that was out. I've seen no advertising what-so-ever... Has anyone? (I'm talking non-gaming websites and print obviously.) Edited September 20, 2010 by Wesley
Kav Posted September 20, 2010 Posted September 20, 2010 (edited) Given the calls of trolling I decided to look through the whole thread as well as E3 '09 & '10 threads in relation to the Move. In each thread there's a fair bit if bashing of the wiimote and wii motion+ even in Move promos themselves so I'd say Zech's post is entirely relevant to the thread as a whole. Given the hype people have seemed to have had over Move I'd have to agree that they're disappointing numbers. For a new hardware that has been reasonably pushed from a marketing standpoint and in which they blatantly mock the competition, the first week sales figures are abysmal. Edit: Wesley, I've seen plenty of advertising. Tv, magazines, newspapers, posters on buses and at metrolink stops. There has been a fairly big push behind it... I'm quite surprised you haven seen any. Edited September 20, 2010 by Kav
Caris Posted September 20, 2010 Posted September 20, 2010 I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who thinks Zechs is a knob anymore.
dwarf Posted September 20, 2010 Author Posted September 20, 2010 I didn't know it was out either. It's less understated than the 'Go. Depending on whether Socom/Killzone work with it really well, I may pick one up. It could be a good year or two before it seems worth it, if it ever does flourish. Staying old-school pad stylie is the way to go for now though, even if prices for controllers barely fluctuate over time. Just gimme New Vegas and wash my memories of motion away. I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who thinks Zechs is a knob anymore. He's never been anything but a cunt...
Kav Posted September 20, 2010 Posted September 20, 2010 Wow, Zechs only makes a comparison between two similar product launches and gets abused. Gotta love fanboyism!
dwarf Posted September 20, 2010 Author Posted September 20, 2010 Wow, Zechs only makes a comparison between two similar product launches and gets abused. Gotta love fanboyism! It isn't fanboyism. (Well, Cooky probably is a bit but we'll forgive him that) I just like to jeer at such a tool. You know, belittle him a tad? Who cares if he got a reaction, I just like to swear at him. I'm dying to know his age though.
Nintendohnut Posted September 20, 2010 Posted September 20, 2010 I've had a quick read through the thread to see impressions as I also didn't realise this was out until yesterday. I think part of the problem with the move is that people who don't play many games see it and think 'that looks like a wii remote'. The problem is that nobody who simply wants to play motion controlled games will go and buy the PS3, which is the most expensive console (although great value for what you get etc). It is a great addition for people who already have the console but it's not going to convince a huge number of people to buy a PS3. And until some serious games come out for it it won't sell a huge amount to core PS3 gamers either. So yeah, like wes said give it 6 months and see what Sony can do. He's never been anything but a cunt... While in some cases he can be annoying, there have been occasions where you have entered threads simply to start an argument with him in the past. I don't think you can call him a c*** for pointing out the fact that move hasn't sold very well. It's a slight over-reaction which makes you look like the very thing you hate. Also: Please tone down the language. It's unnecessary. Thank you.
Caris Posted September 20, 2010 Posted September 20, 2010 Zechs has been trolling for years, its got to the point where he deserves everything he gets.
Kav Posted September 20, 2010 Posted September 20, 2010 He's not said anything off though. It's fair to compare the two really, they do offer similar experiences. My post, as below, could be viewed as more antagonising than Zech's. He's simply posted figures and compared them, he's not slated anything or anyone in any way. I remember the days when these forums didn't have the hatred. Given the calls of trolling I decided to look through the whole thread as well as E3 '09 & '10 threads in relation to the Move. In each thread there's a fair bit if bashing of the wiimote and wii motion+ even in Move promos themselves so I'd say Zech's post is entirely relevant to the thread as a whole. Given the hype people have seemed to have had over Move I'd have to agree that they're disappointing numbers. For a new hardware that has been reasonably pushed from a marketing standpoint and in which they blatantly mock the competition, the first week sales figures are abysmal. Edit: Wesley, I've seen plenty of advertising. Tv, magazines, newspapers, posters on buses and at metrolink stops. There has been a fairly big push behind it... I'm quite surprised you haven seen any.
dwarf Posted September 20, 2010 Author Posted September 20, 2010 The difference between me and Zechs: I do it for the Lilt, he doesn't. His life revolves around getting kicks via posting positive Wii stats, as if when he tugs a fact from the net, he's tugging a Playstation voodoo doll, that harms all owners of the system. No-one gives a shit, but he still tries, and I can only applaud the kid for it.
Mokong Posted September 20, 2010 Posted September 20, 2010 Right I don't know what kind of posts Zechs has made in "Other Consoles" in the past, I rarely venture in here myself anyway. But the snap reaction to his "figures" post seems to me a bit uncalled for and an over reaction. There was nothing malicious in his post, just a comparision of sales figures of two similar products. Which I would assume Sony themsleves might be a bit dissapointed. And if things were reversed I'm sure those slating Zechs would not have hesitated to post figures if the Move sold as well or better than the Motion+/WiiSports Resort in 1st week sales. When I saw Zechs post pop up in my email updates I came here expecting to see maybe some discussion on what people thought might be the reason for the sales difference between the two platforms. Not enough marketing (I myself forgot it was out this month)? Smaller Userbase? Not attractive enough to the majority of PS3 owners (yet)? Lack of casual gamers on the PS3? Unattractive to casual gamers who likely don't own a PS3 already (large overall cost) and/or already own a Wii? Lack of any "real" games for it and people wanting to wait and see if anything worthwhile comes out that'll use it? But instead it was a jump right to attacking the poster?
dwarf Posted September 20, 2010 Author Posted September 20, 2010 (edited) Well you've got to marvel at the fact he only rears his ugly head when it makes himself feel, I dunno, warm inside? I think it's funny personally, and it works better that he only posts on the odd occasion, but at least grant me the liberty to call him a cunt. It's no skin off my back if he calls me one, because his desperation is crystal clear, and it's a forum. It's like me going to the Wii board once every year and posting something akin to: 'was it just me that noticed that the average Nintendo game scored a 6.5/10, whilst first party Sony titles got a 9/10 average?'. Except, get this, without the irony. What everyone fails to see is that this isn't a case of rivalry (how could it be unless you're a thickshit?) , it's just pointing out how unintentionally bemusing the Meringue can be. Edited September 20, 2010 by dwarf
Caris Posted September 21, 2010 Posted September 21, 2010 Yeah, dwaf summed it up perfect. He didn't come here for a discussion, he came to make a dig at Sony whilst the window was open. Just like he has done for the past 4 years or so. The reason he got such a sharp reaction is because people just quite simpily can't be bothered with him anymore, he's so childish it's unreal.
Kav Posted September 21, 2010 Posted September 21, 2010 Still, looking at his post, it has merit. It's a discussion thread about the move, so he posts the figures and compares it to that of a competitor product. Why not discuss that as opposed to slate him? That's being childish!
Zechs Merquise Posted September 21, 2010 Posted September 21, 2010 The point here is simple: The internet at the moment is buzzing with discussion comparing Kinect, Move and Wii Motion+. What is telling, is although it is highly fashionable to knock the Wii and even ridicule it, if anyone so much as dares to say anything about the PS3 that isn't a glowing endorsement of everything about it, it causes a storm. Why so defensive? The same people who have been slating the Wii and motion control are now literally peeing their pants over the prospect of Sony trying to get in on the act. Slightly hypocritical. All I have done is posted up sales figures and compared them with the figures of Wii Sports Resort, which let's all face facts is essentially what Sports Champions hopes to emulate. You know what, when Kinect comes out, people will - get ready for this - compare its launch, sales and games to the Move's and to Wii Sports Resort and Motion+.
Daft Posted September 21, 2010 Posted September 21, 2010 What exactly is there to discuss? In two different and incomparable circumstances, Sport Champion didn't sell as well as Wii Sports Resort... Oh no, one inane casual titles that is there simply to show off the technology (Sorry, an amended Wii Motion+ controller) of their respective motion controllers outsells the other. People aren't 'buzzing' on the internet about Move because they can play this crap, they're buzzing because it actually works as well as it was promised it would. Point is Move works worlds better than the Wii, and in more ways too. The games are coming. Also, if you haven't noticed, the PS3 had a controller before Move and it supports a horrendous number of brilliant games - Move isn't necessary to enjoy the PS3 and this is both its greatest strength and one of its weakness. The bottom line is, consumers have a choice. Honestly, only fanboys care that much about sales. No one is being defensive. We just really don't like you. You are the butt of many jokes.
flameboy Posted September 21, 2010 Posted September 21, 2010 hahahaha this thread exploded ROFL...so who is actually playing move games and enjoying it?
Daft Posted September 21, 2010 Posted September 21, 2010 I'm playing Tuble, but like I said only for about 10/15 minutes at a time. I do enjoy it a lot but it's not the deepest game in the world.
Aimless Posted September 21, 2010 Posted September 21, 2010 He's not said anything off though. It's fair to compare the two really, they do offer similar experiences. In the same way that eating an apple or an orange offers a similar experience. The crux of the matter is we all know why Zechs came in this thread to post those figures, and it wasn't to start a discussion. It's the intent that's the issue, not the information. However, if you'd honestly like to know why Move hasn't done numbers comparable to WSR: There's been bugger all advertising. It launched without a 'killer app', more a collection of party titles and tech demos. Brick-and-mortar stores will have pushed people to buy needlessly bloated/expensive bundles; the Navigation Controller isn't really needed. It's primarily aimed at an audience that doesn't yet own a PS3, pushing the barrier to entry up to around £250+. Again, no advertising. Frankly I'm tired of any talk about sales. I swear there was a time when people actually liked games, but now it's all about who sold the most units, or which version has the barely perceptible technical advantage. That sort of information should be interesting sideline reading, but instead it's brought to the fore by people who apparently swore a blood oath to their chosen home entertainment system.
Retro_Link Posted September 21, 2010 Posted September 21, 2010 People aren't 'buzzing' on the internet about Move because they can play this crap, they're buzzing because it actually works as well as it was promised it would. Point is Move works worlds better than the Wii, and in more ways too. That's certainly not the impression I got from peoples first impressions on here!
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