The fish Posted January 21, 2007 Posted January 21, 2007 I think you have the right to dislike someone due to there beliefs, as they are responsible for them, but to not like someone because they come from somewhere different to you or look different to you is fucking nasty.
BlueStar Posted January 21, 2007 Posted January 21, 2007 I think this is what Jade Goody did its a very stupid thing to do but I think is different to pure racism. But is bad in a different way. The front of the Mirror says "Yes my Jade is racist - By her Gran" and the front of the NOTW saying "Yes, it was racist and I am a bully - Jade's shock confession". Whether she actually said that or it's newspaper spin I dunno, I didn't buy either of them. I don't see how anyone can say she didn't say anything racist at all in the house (whether she her self is racist or not) Would anyone do Jade's "paki voice" with an asian guy in ear shot, or around people you didn't know very well? I did like her "I can't be racist I eat chicken curry" line.
Kurtle Squad Posted January 21, 2007 Posted January 21, 2007 Would anyone do Jade's "paki voice" with an asian guy in ear shot Yes.....Asia's a very large place.
BlueStar Posted January 21, 2007 Posted January 21, 2007 Asain in the standard British use of the term, not the American or geographic use. As you're well aware.
Blackfox Posted January 21, 2007 Posted January 21, 2007 I'm sure Shilpa is loving the huge cheque and the wave of public sympathy...
Zell Posted January 21, 2007 Posted January 21, 2007 People need to realise that by saying a rascist comment (if it's interpreted as such) does by no means make you a rascist. Take Ron Atkinson, who called Marcel Desailly a "stupid "n*****". People then started labelling him as a rascist, as if he utterly dispises and has a profound hatred for black people, which is completely ridiculous, especially given Ron's managerial history.
BlueStar Posted January 21, 2007 Posted January 21, 2007 I'm sure Jade is loving the millions of pounds and offers of cash "I'm not racist, I've got black friends!" interviews in OK magazine for doing nothing but being an idiot. At least Shilpa had to learn to act and dance for her fame, if Jade learnt anything before her catapult to the D-list she would have faded into obscurity along with the rest of the less sub-normal BB1 labrats.
Josh64 Posted January 21, 2007 Posted January 21, 2007 How can it be racist to do a paki voice? That's like if you quoted a welsh person and did it in a welsh voice. Its not fucking racist. Shilpa is manipulative and always after attention imo, that's why everyone was getting so pissed off with her. Not because she comes from a India. Oops, I said India, IM FUCKEN RACIST!!11
MoogleViper Posted January 21, 2007 Posted January 21, 2007 Not because she comes from a India. Oops, I said India, IM FUCKEN RACIST!!11 You racist fucker. Ban plz.
BlueStar Posted January 21, 2007 Posted January 21, 2007 Yes, that's right. If you don't think that nothing at all ever is racist you want to ban the word india. I hear they're deporting all whites as well.
BlueStar Posted January 21, 2007 Posted January 21, 2007 I guess if you read the Daily Mail you would be scared of the mythical "them" who give people the victim complex that everyone is out to get poor persecuted whites and feed their dogs to asylum seekers while giving their wide screen TV to refugees.
Bowser57 Posted January 21, 2007 Posted January 21, 2007 How can it be racist to do a paki voice? Lovely stuff!
Josh64 Posted January 21, 2007 Posted January 21, 2007 Originally Posted by BlueStar Would anyone do Jade's "paki voice" with an asian guy in ear shot I'd of been scared to say the word if BlueStar hadn't all ready. Shows how stupid it's got.
MoogleViper Posted January 21, 2007 Posted January 21, 2007 How can "paki" be racist? It's just a shortened version of pakistani. It's only like shortening Briton to Brit.
BlueStar Posted January 21, 2007 Posted January 21, 2007 I was only saying it tounge in cheek to describe Jade's impression. Some one on another forum was trying to claim that "paki" wasn't racist. he said "I go down the paki shop (yeah, I know they're indian) Then someone was trying to claim it was just like saying "Brit or Aussie" Except we've already established in the previous post that it's a (highly offensive) term for a race and not for a nationality, you mong. EDIT: Wayhay! Even as I was typing someone was repeating the situation.
Josh64 Posted January 21, 2007 Posted January 21, 2007 Exactly. But it is. EDIT: I don't see it as racist but I suppose if everyone else does you can't really say it. I wouldn't dare say Paki outside, in school, in shops etc... Yet it's only like saying Brit.
BlueStar Posted January 21, 2007 Posted January 21, 2007 It's NOT like saying Brit, because it's a term used for indians, pakistanis, arabs - it's a term for a race, not just a shortening of a country - No mopre than you could claim it was OK to call people "Nigger" and say it was short for nigerian, even though it's a blanket insult for all black people (Attempts to 'reclaim' the word aside). Just for reference, from a legal stand point: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2993908.stm Ratcliffe was in a crowd of fans of second division Port Vale who used a chant containing the word "Paki" at Oldham Athletic supporters during a league match at the Port Vale ground at Stoke-on-Trent in October last year. Lord Justice Auld, sitting with Mr Justice Goldring, said it was clear the word "Paki" - short for Pakistani - was "a slang expression which is racially offensive". They dismissed any suggestion it could be used affectionately in the manner of "Aussie" or "Brit". The judge said: "It is odd and a shame that this is so in this country, but the unpleasant context in which it is so often used has left it with a derogatory or insulting, racialist connotation." The ruling overturned a decision by Stoke-on-Trent Magistrates' Court district judge Graham Richards in January to acquit Ratcliffe on the basis the chant was "mere doggerel" and need not be classed as an offence. The judges also took the unusual step of telling the magistrates' court to pay the estimated £1,000 costs of the appeal by the Director of Public Prosecutions. After the hearing, Maureen Shea, head of trials for the Crown Prosecution Service in north Staffordshire, said: "It is clarification of the fact that 'Paki' is derogatory and racialist within the terms of this Act. "If any football crowd is chanting, and the word Paki, or Pakis, is in the chant, it is going to contravene the act."
The fish Posted January 21, 2007 Posted January 21, 2007 How can "paki" be racist? It's just a shortened version of pakistani. It's only like shortening Briton to Brit. Its not racist when you refer to a Pakistani person, but it is when you use it to refer to any North African/Arabian/anyone from the Indian sub-continent. Calling Britons "Brits" is fine, but calling Scots or a Welshman "English" is suicide... Americans who call a posh English accent "a British accent" (in a general, taking-in-all, sense) should be shot. They fucking piss me off. And no, I'm not anti-American, I'm anti-moron.
Fierce_LiNk Posted January 21, 2007 Posted January 21, 2007 Any Pakis care to put their two cents in? I think I'd be classed as a Paki, I dunno. Kinda complicated. Anyway, about the use that word: I've always thought it's more than just the words you use, it's about the tone and the way you say it. Like, to me, it really is just a shortened form of Pakistani. However, if somebody suddenly shouts in your face "you fucking paki!", then...we have a problem. So, to me, its not the words you use. Its the way you use them.
Platty Posted January 21, 2007 Posted January 21, 2007 So, to me, its not the words you use. Its the way you use them. I agree with that.
Rummy Posted January 21, 2007 Posted January 21, 2007 I highly dissapprove of the word myself, it IS a racist word, as explained by the fish. I'm a pretty easy going guy, and often to subject of jokes and such from my friends, but most of them know that even if they call me a Paki in a joking way, I'm actually going to punch them in the face. I also can't help but think Apple NdiB's post was a little less than innocent in using the word.
MoogleViper Posted January 21, 2007 Posted January 21, 2007 So, to me, its not the words you use. Its the way you use them. That's the same with everything I think. I highly dissapprove of the word myself, it IS a racist word, as explained by the fish. I'm a pretty easy going guy, and often to subject of jokes and such from my friends, but most of them know that even if they call me a Paki in a joking way, I'm actually going to punch them in the face.I also can't help but think Apple NdiB's post was a little less than innocent in using the word. Are you from Pakistan.
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