Aalborg Posted July 16, 2008 Posted July 16, 2008 hmm.. just hope that it isnt another "troubled teenager who will avenge something while playing underwater rugby and meeting some girl who he at first doesnt like but then falls in love with" game... phew..
Ramar Posted July 16, 2008 Posted July 16, 2008 hmm.. just hope that it isnt another "troubled teenager who will avenge something while playing underwater rugby and meeting some girl who he at first doesnt like but then falls in love with" game... phew.. FFX was awesome! Looking forward to the game after Monday's announcement, I was prepared to buy a new console for it, but now I don't have to.
Domstercool Posted July 16, 2008 Posted July 16, 2008 Owning all consoles means I get to fully experience all of the FF 13 universe, wooot!
Ramar Posted July 16, 2008 Posted July 16, 2008 Bear in mind its confirmed the game will first be developed exclusively on PS3 and released in Japan. As in, its still PS3 priority and sounds like the version to get (not to mention Versus XIII). The question is how much will they gimp the PS3 version for it to run on the 360? Obviously Blu Ray + every ps3 has hdd is a huge advantage for PS3 and the system can display nicer graphics and produce better sound. If its seen as too similar SE will be accussed of dumbing down the game, especially when most of the userbase is in Japan and on PS3(moreso in the future). Let see what happens. Not to mention its not really that much of a big release on 360 as PS3. As many e3 articles point out FFXIII isnt why people brought a 360 in the first place. I'd completely agree with what you've said. But I'd much rather pay £30-40 for a version of FFXIII than £300 for a new console just to play it.
Flaight Posted July 17, 2008 Posted July 17, 2008 Depends on how "similar" the 2 versions are, I suppose. I think they did say explicitly that the 2 will be the same in content, but they would say that now and I won't take their word for it at this point in time. They'll likely look into a crazy compression to get it all on DVDs. Either they'll cut down the quality to have it on few discs or go all out and have many discs. Either way we'll get closer to knowing the difference between the 2 systems when this comes out, which has been rather debatable till now.
Ramar Posted July 17, 2008 Posted July 17, 2008 They may try and use the new run from hard drive feature for 360. In which case I'll cry because I've got an old 20GB. But I agree it will be interesting to see how they go about it, and will definitely set the consoles apart.
Falcon_BlizZACK Posted July 17, 2008 Posted July 17, 2008 Owning all consoles means I get to fully experience all of the FF 13 universe, wooot! But, of course, the downside to that is having little to no life. ;P
Dante Posted July 17, 2008 Posted July 17, 2008 Owning all consoles means I get to fully experience all of the FF 13 universe, wooot! Final Fantasy XIII (PS3, Xbox360) Final Fantasy Agito XIII (Mobile) Final Fantasy Versus XIII (PS3)
Daft Posted July 17, 2008 Posted July 17, 2008 Final Fantasy Agito XIII (Mobile) Oh, woe is me. I guess no Agito for me.... Actually I better not have to test that piece of crap.
The Bard Posted July 18, 2008 Posted July 18, 2008 Roflhax. Not particularly excited about the announcement, but I suppose now, the only remaining reason for me to get a PS3 is for Wipeout HD (man I want that so hard.)
Tellyn Posted July 18, 2008 Posted July 18, 2008 Oh, woe is me. I guess no Agito for me.... Actually I better not have to test that piece of crap. I don't understand why games are released for mobile phones. The iPhone has improved mobile gaming but other phones are just uncomfortable and not really designed with gaming in mind.
Guest Jordan Posted July 18, 2008 Posted July 18, 2008 Roflhax. Not particularly excited about the announcement, but I suppose now, the only remaining reason for me to get a PS3 is for Wipeout HD (man I want that so hard.) That game has been hugely delayed due to technial issues, so says Kotaku today. My bet? Online play is being a bastard.
Aimless Posted July 18, 2008 Posted July 18, 2008 Bear in mind its confirmed the game will first be developed exclusively on PS3 and released in Japan. As in, its still PS3 priority and sounds like the version to get (not to mention Versus XIII). The question is how much will they gimp the PS3 version for it to run on the 360? Obviously Blu Ray + every ps3 has hdd is a huge advantage for PS3 and the system can display nicer graphics and produce better sound. If its seen as too similar SE will be accussed of dumbing down the game, especially when most of the userbase is in Japan and on PS3(moreso in the future). Let see what happens. Not to mention its not really that much of a big release on 360 as PS3. As many e3 articles point out FFXIII isnt why people brought a 360 in the first place. You sound like you want to cry... I'm sure the 360 version will be on par with the PS3 one; if it is 'worse' I imagine it'll be of a similar magnitude to, say, Burnout. The Crystal Tools engine is multiplatform and development work is done on a PC, so 'porting' the game to the Xbox should be fairly painless. Microsoft already buckled to Mistwalker when it comes to multi-disk games, too, so I don't see any major issues on the horizon. I admit that at first I was a bit disappointed when FFXIII was announced for the the 360 as it was one of the reasons I bought a PS3. Five minutes later I realised how silly I was being.
Daft Posted July 18, 2008 Posted July 18, 2008 I don't understand why games are released for mobile phones. The iPhone has improved mobile gaming but other phones are just uncomfortable and not really designed with gaming in mind. I believe they are popular in Japan. Otherwise I have no idea.
Falcon_BlizZACK Posted July 18, 2008 Posted July 18, 2008 For me, this was the best news from E3 (FFXIII on 360). But would this mean the game will have to be spread over a few discs? And are there other possible technical aspects that the 360 may not be able to handle as opposed to the ps3?
Flaight Posted July 19, 2008 Posted July 19, 2008 For me, this was the best news from E3 (FFXIII on 360). But would this mean the game will have to be spread over a few discs? And are there other possible technical aspects that the 360 may not be able to handle as opposed to the ps3?Likely not, but I think the general view is that theoretically there will be a difference from raw spec. This has been much debated all over the net (mostly cluttered with fanboys' trash posts) so nothing conclusive here, but that's precisely why I'm interested in this game so much. The difficulty in coding for PS3 has been a well known point of debate as mentioned by various devs. What's interesting in this case is that FFXIII has been being developed on PS3 for so long now that SE has likely built up a good codebase. "DirectX" approach, like Xbox, has a massive knowledge base all over the world now, so the efficiency in porting the code to Xbox360 shouldn't be a prob. So the rest is down to the 'raw' numbers i.e. disc capacity and processors. And I think Xbox360 will have some sort of downer somewhere along the line, either in (1) many disc swapping or compulsory high capacity HD, and/or (2) degradation of animation and multimedia. Some of the degradation can be circumvented by having even more disc swaps. The fact that there will be some difference is no surprise, even purely based on the capacity difference between BD and DVD, but just how different is the big question that none of us can answer yet. It's no good having a dozen disc swaps or too much degradation in quality. So SE has to strike the balance here.
McPhee Posted July 19, 2008 Posted July 19, 2008 I guess it just remains to be seen how much data can be crammed on to one disk. Maybe they'll do dual sided disks, the top half is the install, the bottom half is the play disk, you'd be looking at over 15GB per disk that way. Repeat for disk 2 and that should (hopefully) be the lot and without too huge an install (5-8GB). I don't understand why games are released for mobile phones. The iPhone has improved mobile gaming but other phones are just uncomfortable and not really designed with gaming in mind. Wait til you see whats round the bend Phones are becoming pretty powerfull and i know NVidia are working on some pretty powerfull chips right now. Gamecube in the palm of your hand sort of powerfull! I would think the mobile FF game will be for fairly powerfull phones tbh.
mariosmentor Posted July 19, 2008 Posted July 19, 2008 I originally thought that the PS3 version would be substantially better but then again do you think the reason for this is because now 360 games are to feature installation? Makes me think if it will actually be limited in comparison? Depends how much data they install. Personally I wouldn't mind a certain number of discs to install then a game disc to play. And whats the issue with changing discs anyway? Changing a disc in MGS4 would be faster than waiting for it to install after every level, I kinda welcome the return of disc changing. Bigger games. Hell it didn't impair my enjoyment of Lost Odyssey. I remember saying "I'm on disc 4 of FF VII" kind of like an achievement. I miss disc changing.
Roostophe Posted July 19, 2008 Posted July 19, 2008 The fact that FFXIII will now be on 360 means that there is only ONE reason for me to buy a PS3. (MGS4 if you want to know.) This should be pretty good. It looks pretty awesome. It's the only Final Fantasy game I've ever looked forward to.
Shorty Posted July 20, 2008 Posted July 20, 2008 And whats the issue with changing discs anyway?Agreed! Why do people always complain at the prospect of a game coming on several disks? Sheesh, you obviously didn't grow up on PC or PSX gaming. It's really not that hard to switch disks two or three times during a 40+ hour timespan. Oh and I'd rather change disks 5 times than wait 30 minutes for my game to install, using up 1/3 of my hard disk.
Sheikah Posted July 20, 2008 Posted July 20, 2008 Oh and I'd rather change disks 5 times than wait 30 minutes for my game to install, using up 1/3 of my hard disk. MGS takes up 4.6GB, which is a fairly small amount of my 60GB really. And obviously, the install is to reduce the load time massively. You wouldn't want 2 minute loading times each time. Besides, the break wards off obsessive gaming. It even tells you if you've been playing for too long and suggests you have a break. These are all good things for people who are usually engrossed in games.
Dyson Posted July 20, 2008 Posted July 20, 2008 It even tells you if you've been playing for too long and suggests you have a break. These are all good things for people who are usually engrossed in games. You can't seriously expect me to believe that load times are an advantage. All systems have this "warning" function, all games have this, right when you turn it on. The Wii has the warning screen before the menu. Hell, even the old PS1 had an epilepsy warning. Nice spin you try to put on it there, though - "Long load times between games are great!" Totally.
Daft Posted July 20, 2008 Posted July 20, 2008 I like seeing Snake smoke. It's kind of like Kojima put it in to say that we're just going have to wait for it to install...even Snake. Also, like someone said about multiple disks, it helps to break up the game. Generally the load times are made shorter by the use of HDD. MGS4 being the exception but then that was the choice they went with. I would have been happy having an option to install all of it, but really the game is good enough for me to not give a rat's arse. With HDD being so f*cking cheap now, if space really bothers you (and it shouldn't because how many games do you play on the go? It's piss easy to delete the install files) you can just upgrade. I doubt my 320GB is going to ever be filled completely. Also less disks, means less packaging which is a massive plus as far as I am concerned. Plus there is less chance of me losing one of the disks and having an incomplete game. In the end, if the game is good enough, none of this crap matters.
Hero-of-Time Posted July 20, 2008 Posted July 20, 2008 An interesting quote from 1UP The latest 1UP E3 wrap-up podcast (which runs for a more-than-lengthy 3 hours) has divulged some information on the possibility of a new PlayStation 3 exclusive from Square Enix. Towards the end of the podcast, Shane states that he has been speaking to representatives from Square Enix, who have told him that "Final Fantasy XIII on 360 announcement swung the ball towards Microsoft. At Square Enix's Japan event in 2 weeks, they will swing the ball back towards Sony". The reason Shane was questioning the event, was due to plans for large announcements regarding the Blu-ray release of Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children. Square could possibly be announcing a remake of Final Fantasy VII for PS3, a Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children game for PS3, Final Fantasy Versus XIII on PS3, or another brand new title.
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