Oxigen_Waste Posted April 6, 2008 Posted April 6, 2008 Kathy Bates will go down in movie history as one of the best villains ever. All hail misery.
Ellmeister Posted April 7, 2008 Posted April 7, 2008 I agree with Chairdriver about Superbad. Hard Candy Thats screwed up. I found it quite gripping but creepy and at the end I was just like....ummmm:blank: . The ending was great though 6/10
ReZourceman Posted April 7, 2008 Posted April 7, 2008 I agree with Chairdriver about Superbad. Click me...
Jimbob Posted April 7, 2008 Posted April 7, 2008 Scarface Al Pacino version, need i say more. A marvelous movie which pushed the limitations to what could be shown in cinema. 10/10
Mr. Bananagrabber Posted April 7, 2008 Posted April 7, 2008 Eraserhead It's a bit weird. :p Seen it a few times before but it's still really creepy. Impossible to score.
Oxigen_Waste Posted April 7, 2008 Posted April 7, 2008 Scarface Al Pacino version, need i say more. A marvelous movie which pushed the limitations to what could be shown in cinema. 10/10 Ok, it's a grear movie, but it pushed no limitations whatsoever.
welsh_gamer Posted April 7, 2008 Posted April 7, 2008 Presumed Innocent Harrison Ford has an affair with a work colleague, and she is later found dead. All the evidence points at him, but is he the murderer? Nice film, which I found intresting due to my sudden intrest in John Grisham novels, and it has a nice twist. 7/10 Rain Man Wow. Dustin Hoffman is awesome as Raymond, while Tom Cruise plays the 'prick' well. Very enjoyable. 8/10
Paj! Posted April 7, 2008 Posted April 7, 2008 I agree with Chairdriver about Superbad. Hard Candy Thats screwed up. I found it quite gripping but creepy and at the end I was just like....ummmm:blank: . The ending was great though 6/10 I think it's a 9/10 movie, at the very least. I suppose marks could be taken off if you felt it was too screwed up (which it isn't), but it's clever, original, and a beautiful film visually. The film techniques they use make the film tense and as you say gripping.
Hellfire Posted April 7, 2008 Posted April 7, 2008 Ok, it's a grear movie, but it pushed no limitations whatsoever. Considering we were -4 years old when it was release, it's pretty safe to assume we don't know that.
Oxigen_Waste Posted April 7, 2008 Posted April 7, 2008 Considering we were -4 years old when it was release, it's pretty safe to assume we don't know that. Of course you do. :P If there are blockbusters who were made much earlier who push the boundaries even further, it's a simple matter of deductive logic.
shaq365 Posted April 7, 2008 Posted April 7, 2008 Tom Cruise plays the 'prick' well. It's not hard playing yourself...
Konfucius Posted April 7, 2008 Posted April 7, 2008 Dark City A human city is manipulated by Aliens but one individual realizes that something is wrong. This sounds hardly original but it is fascinatingly executed and poses questions about the soul and what drives us. I didn't really like the main actor though but I'm fascinated by Kiefer Sutherland. He portraits his role with such an intensity that I didn't recognize him almost until the end. Also the Aliens seem very menacing and yet the viewer is able to see their side of the problem as well. The music is also quite memorable but lacks a bit of diversity. 7.5/10
Hellfire Posted April 7, 2008 Posted April 7, 2008 Of course you do. :P If there are blockbusters who were made much earlier who push the boundaries even further, it's a simple matter of deductive logic. Oh, OK :P Which ones? Not that Im doubting you, just wanna learn :P
Dan_Dare Posted April 7, 2008 Posted April 7, 2008 I Just watched Letters From Iwo Jima. Really rather fantastic war movie. Fuck Hollywood sentimentality and hero worship- this is just how it needs to be done: subtle, caring characterisation, unflinching, glamourless combat and a script without patriotic bias. Brilliant, really. Also, is Ken Wantanabe the token 'noble samurai' to Danny Trejo's 'Rough bandito'? The man is in everything. Pretty sure Hiro's mate from Heroes is in it, too.
gaggle64 Posted April 7, 2008 Posted April 7, 2008 Deterrence This is a bizarrely bad film, with an absurd plot and psychotic characters you suspect are supposed to be heroic. Trapped in a country diner, an Iraqi invasion of Kuwait causes the Jewish president of the United States to launch a nuclear strike against Baghdad, and then reveals that the Iraqi WMDs everyone feared were fake, which US Government always knew because they sold them. The sum political fall out of killing millions and laying the foundations for WWIII is that he chooses to retire from the upcoming election contest. Actually come to think of it maybe the plot isn't too far off. Like being inside George Bush's head. The moral of the story is either that America should go right ahead and assert it's rightful place of dominance over the rest of the world with a nuclear fist, or something profoundly anti-Semitic.
Oxigen_Waste Posted April 8, 2008 Posted April 8, 2008 Dark City A human city is manipulated by Aliens but one individual realizes that something is wrong. This sounds hardly original but it is fascinatingly executed and poses questions about the soul and what drives us. I didn't really like the main actor though but I'm fascinated by Kiefer Sutherland. He portraits his role with such an intensity that I didn't recognize him almost until the end. Also the Aliens seem very menacing and yet the viewer is able to see their side of the problem as well. The music is also quite memorable but lacks a bit of diversity. 7.5/10 That's where The Matrix came from. Oh, OK :P Which ones? Not that Im doubting you, just wanna learn :P There are thousands of references, but I'll just stick with the ones who're worth considering or relevant in pushing the boundaries: Caligula The Wages Of Fear The Birth Of A Nation Intolerance M The Testament Of Dr. Mabuse Eraserhead Salò Cannibal Holocaust Satyricon A Clockwork Orange Rashômon Touch Of Evil Jeux interdits Watership Down F For Fake Rosemary's Baby Solaris Andrey Rublyov The Seventh Seal The Exorcist Assault on Precinct 13 Mad Max Blow Up Fanny And Alexander Harold And Maude There's plenty more, I just can't be bothered to go on... =S I was reading Vagabond. Well... then there's Ingmar Bergman's overall career career as a whole, the same for Pasollini's, Fellini's, Mizoguchi's, Tarkovsky's, Truffaut's, Capra's to some extent, Godard's depending on the decade, Kubrick's, Fritz Lang's, Fassbinder's, bla bla bla bla bla bla. Anyway, Scarface was really an assertment of everything the 70's accomplished as far as freedom of speech goes.
steggy Posted April 8, 2008 Posted April 8, 2008 The Mist Very good adaption of a Stephen King novella, and even IMO improved upon the ending of the book. 8/10
Demuwan Posted April 8, 2008 Posted April 8, 2008 That's where The Matrix came from. There are thousands of references, but I'll just stick with the ones who're worth considering or relevant in pushing the boundaries: Caligula The Wages Of Fear The Birth Of A Nation Intolerance M The Testament Of Dr. Mabuse Eraserhead Salò Cannibal Holocaust Satyricon A Clockwork Orange Rashômon Touch Of Evil Jeux interdits Watership Down F For Fake Rosemary's Baby Solaris Andrey Rublyov The Seventh Seal The Exorcist Assault on Precinct 13 Mad Max Blow Up Fanny And Alexander Harold And Maude There's plenty more, I just can't be bothered to go on... =S I was reading Vagabond. Well... then there's Ingmar Bergman's overall career career as a whole, the same for Pasollini's, Fellini's, Mizoguchi's, Tarkovsky's, Truffaut's, Capra's to some extent, Godard's depending on the decade, Kubrick's, Fritz Lang's, Fassbinder's, bla bla bla bla bla bla. Anyway, Scarface was really an assertment of everything the 70's accomplished as far as freedom of speech goes. Ok then whats your fav movie of all time?
killthenet Posted April 8, 2008 Posted April 8, 2008 Oxigen: That post made no sense to me, what were you trying to put across? Sure you listed some great films and some great directors, but what does it all have to do with Scarface? If I read the previous posts right Hellfire was simply stating that Scarface pushed the boundaries of the blockbuster film and only a handful of the films you listed were at all popular. So what were you trying to get across?
Hellfire Posted April 8, 2008 Posted April 8, 2008 Ok then whats your fav movie of all time? I think it's the One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest or has it been replaced recently OW? :P
Demuwan Posted April 8, 2008 Posted April 8, 2008 I think it's the One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest or has it been replaced recently OW? :P OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH SNAP !
Oxigen_Waste Posted April 8, 2008 Posted April 8, 2008 Oxigen: That post made no sense to me, what were you trying to put across? Sure you listed some great films and some great directors, but what does it all have to do with Scarface? If I read the previous posts right Hellfire was simply stating that Scarface pushed the boundaries of the blockbuster film and only a handful of the films you listed were at all popular. So what were you trying to get across? Any type of movie wich springed to mind wich had been revolutionary in "pushing the envelope further". That's what I understood was the point, anyway... Either way, I think the most important part is what I said last, the cultural revolutions of the 60s and 70's completely liberalized art and media overall, and Scarface really didn't do anything to push the envelope further for blockbuster film. And it's not that good an example on the whole "blockbuster" genre. Yup, Cuckoo's nest. Why Demuwan?
Demuwan Posted April 8, 2008 Posted April 8, 2008 Any type of movie wich springed to mind wich had been revolutionary in "pushing the envelope further". That's what I understood was the point, anyway... Either way, I think the most important part is what I said last, the cultural revolutions of the 60s and 70's completely liberalized art and media overall, and Scarface really didn't do anything to push the envelope further for blockbuster film. And it's not that good an example on the whole "blockbuster" genre. Yup, Cuckoo's nest. Why Demuwan? Just curious thats all.
Jimbob Posted April 9, 2008 Posted April 9, 2008 Any type of movie wich springed to mind wich had been revolutionary in "pushing the envelope further". That's what I understood was the point, anyway... Either way, I think the most important part is what I said last, the cultural revolutions of the 60s and 70's completely liberalized art and media overall, and Scarface really didn't do anything to push the envelope further for blockbuster film. And it's not that good an example on the whole "blockbuster" genre. I originally said that Scarface pushed the envelope further only because i can't name another movie that got away with hard drug use, excessive swearing (mainly the "f" word), blatent murdering/killings and got away with it thats all i am saying. Anyway, last night's movie Wild Hogs Pretty good comedy movie starring John Travolta, Tim Allen, Martin Lawrence and William H Macey. Pretty funny throughout, and some great moments so it gets an 8/10
Oxigen_Waste Posted April 9, 2008 Posted April 9, 2008 I originally said that Scarface pushed the envelope further only because i can't name another movie that got away with hard drug use, excessive swearing (mainly the "f" word), blatent murdering/killings and got away with it thats all i am saying. It didn't exactly get away with it, it was haunted by controversia (wich ended up making it into a cash cow), but yeah, there were others, and some were worse. Scarface just took out into the open land.
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