Playstation 5 Console Discussion

[Sheikah]

One thing we can definitely say is that Sony know what they're doing in terms of releasing information. The way they're releasing information in small amounts has everyone paying attention whenever they're doing it.

[Ronnie]

15 minutes ago, Sheikah said:

One thing we can definitely say is that Sony know what they're doing in terms of releasing information. The way they're releasing information in small amounts has everyone paying attention whenever they're doing it.

Really? The gaming community has shown nothing but contempt for the months and months of radio silence from Sony, and then when they finally start talking, it's that disastrous Mark Cerny thing that was being ridiculed all over the internet.

Xbox has been releasing small amounts of information for a while now too, starting even earlier than Playstation. It's just how they've decided to do things this gen it seems.

Edited April 8, 2020 by Ronnie

[Sheikah]

12 minutes ago, Ronnie said:

Really? The gaming community has shown nothing but contempt for the months and months of radio silence from Sony, and then when they finally start talking, it's that disastrous Mark Cerny thing that was being ridiculed all over the internet.

Xbox has been releasing small amounts of information for a while now too, starting even earlier than Playstation. It's just how they've decided to do things this gen it seems.

Sony have generated far more interest with what little they've shown than Microsoft have done by dumping a lot of information at once.

There is something to be said for holding your cards close to your chest, and playing those cards at the right time.

Touching on your comment about the gaming community - the vast majority do not hold a grudge. As soon as Sony release some information gamers don't tend to think "well that controller is cool, but Sony kept me hanging for so long that I'm going to buy an Xbox instead".

Edited April 8, 2020 by Sheikah

[Hero-of-Time]

2 minutes ago, Ronnie said:

Really? The gaming community has shown nothing but contempt for the months and months of radio silence from Sony, and then when they finally start talking, it's that disastrous Mark Cerny thing that was being ridiculed all over the internet.

Xbox has been releasing small amounts of information for a while now too, starting even earlier than Playstation. It's just how they've decided to do things this gen it seems.

In bubbles such as Era and other outlets, sure. In terms of general public, they are hitting all the right notes. For example, when the logo was revealed it was the most liked gaming thing on Instagram at the time, with stupid amount of chatter across all social media brands. This has happened once again with the reveal of this controller. It's on track to beating the previous record, at least it was last night. It may have already done it. 

People are hungry for PS5 info and the approach Sony have taken seems to be working because when they do release information it's blowing up on social media. Whether these social media numbers will mean anything when the console arrives remains to be seen but at the moment there is certainly a general vibe of positivity coming for the general public.

 

[Sheikah]

36 minutes ago, Hero-of-Time said:

In bubbles such as Era and other outlets, sure. In terms of general public, they are hitting all the right notes. For example, when the logo was revealed it was the most liked gaming thing on Instagram at the time, with stupid amount of chatter across all social media brands. This has happened once again with the reveal of this controller. It's on track to beating the previous record, at least it was last night. It may have already done it. 

People are hungry for PS5 info and the approach Sony have taken seems to be working because when they do release information it's blowing up on social media. Whether these social media numbers will mean anything when the console arrives remains to be seen but at the moment there is certainly a general vibe of positivity coming for the general public.

 

This is exactly right. @Ronnie your point about the Mark Cerny presentation - probably more than 95% of people who will go on to buy a PS5 will never have seen that presentation!

Also regarding the Mark Cerny video being "universally derided", it was far more upvoted than downvoted, so I don't agree with you there.

Edited April 8, 2020 by Sheikah

[Goafer]

41 minutes ago, Ronnie said:

...that disastrous Mark Cerny thing that was being ridiculed all over the internet.

All I've seen is people analysing the actual data and being excited about the potential for decreased load times.

Guess our own little echo chambers don't align on this one.

[Mandalore]

We're on page 12 of this topic, Series X is on page 3. Not sure what it looks like elsewhere, but from my small internet sphere it looks like PS5 is getting more interest, positive or negative. 

That Mark Cerny video was a bit too much for me to sit through the whole thing, I did appreciate how articulate he was at explaining complex things in simple terms though.

[Ashley]

I saw positive things about the Cerny video on my Twitter, but then my gaming Twitter is 95% industry people rather than fans. Not sure if that may influence it.

[Ashley]

Number 12!

[Fierce_LiNk]

I've grown to like number 1 now. Aside from that, 4,7 and 9 are also quite tasty. 

[Kaepora_Gaebora]

It looks more in line with the Xbox pad and Switch pro pad as well; both of these easily provide more comfort and intuitive control than any dual shock controller in my opinion. Still,  as long it plays the games, it doesn't matter too much 😊

[Ronnie]

The actual design looks very concept arty if the brief was "sleek and futuristic". 7 and 9 in the above tweet are much better imo. I'm sure we'll get something like those eventually. 

A shame Playstation don't do that awesome design lab thing Xbox do where you can colour your own controller. Also a shame they don't make an Elite version (yet)

Edited April 9, 2020 by Ronnie

[Ashley]

If I recall correctly those weren't offered out of the gate (but I may be wrong) so it could still happen. Maybe they designed this in such a way to make that easier. Maybe...

[Julius]

Looks like the reveal could take place in May? 

 

[Julius]

Well, turns out Official PlayStation Magazine has been torn to shreds over this and that their cover likely means nothing for the PS5 reveal. My bad guys. 

That misunderstanding has now been replaced by GamesBeat editor Jeffrey Grubb commenting over on ResetEra that the PS5 event will be June 4th. 

The wait continues. 

[Julius]

Schreier is saying early-to-mid June for the PS5 event, which lines up with Jeffrey Grubb saying June 4th, but of course with the caveat that plans may change as a result of COVID-19. 

I feel like Sony is juggling a lot right now in their marketing, so as much as I'm looking forward to it, I have to wonder if this is the right move?

TLOU2 is starting to swing into its marketing and releases mid-June, but there's already a firestorm happening there what with the leaks and such.

Ghost of Tsushima releases a month later, and while I expect we would be getting hands-on impressions around now if COVID-19 wasn't in play, I really feel like they've kept their cards questionably close to their chest, and that the "average" gamer probably doesn't know that this game even exists. That will all change when they go all in on marketing next month at some point I imagine, but considering just how little gameplay we've seen for the game to this point, I feel like the PS5 - and more importantly, any game announcements or reveals - could completely overshadow the game and steal it's potential mindshare. 

I get it, PlayStation want their last first party game out of the gate ASAP so they can dive into marketing the PS5 and next-gen. Just feels like they're in a bit of a weird spot right now, waiting for the starting pistol to fire out. 

[drahkon]

 

[Ronnie]

Just read that Sony haven't revealed a big first party game since 2017 

It's baffling.  

[Julius]

6 minutes ago, Ronnie said:

Just read that Sony haven't revealed a big first party game since 2017 

It's baffling.  

Yeah, it really is baffling. 

I think it demonstrates that the strength of their IPs is second perhaps only to Nintendo, and it's very clear that they have been saving what they have in works in the interim for the PS5. Though that's definitely made these last few years, from a first party perspective, seem a little less exciting, they have more than enough third party console exclusives, timed exclusives, and marketing exclusivity deals to lean on for that to not be something to worry about.

And because we haven't heard anything since Ghost of Tsushima was revealed in 2017 (during Paris Games Week, if I'm remembering right), I'll be very surprised if there isn't at least one massive AAA title on launch day which isn't considered "must buy" by most. I'm expecting the launch year of the PS5 to be pretty stacked with first party and console exclusives. 

[Sheikah]

Just read that Sony haven't revealed a big first party game since 2017  It's baffling.    

 

They don't need to. Not yet, anyway.

 

Games they could have announced for PS5 in 2018 or 2019 will make far more impact if announced this year, the year they want people to choose PS5.

[Ronnie]

38 minutes ago, Julius said:

I'll be very surprised if there isn't at least one massive AAA title on launch day which isn't considered "must buy" by most. I'm expecting the launch year of the PS5 to be pretty stacked with first party and console exclusives. 

You would hope so, they've had plenty of time to make it happen. It'd be pretty ridiculous if it's another barren first year like PS4 had.

Still, 2017 since their last big reveal! Even with their "announce things years in advance and show off the same games every E3" approach that's still pretty crazy.

Edited May 9, 2020 by Ronnie

[Sheikah]

You would hope so, they've had plenty of time to make it happen. It'd be pretty ridiculous if it's another barren first year like PS4 had.

Still, 2017 since their last big reveal! Even with their "announce things years in advance and show off the same games every E3" approach that's still pretty crazy.

Just to note on this, PlayStation and Xbox are generally very well supported by third parties so they don't need to offer the stellar year 1 first party output to match something like the Switch.

 

If you look at PS4 and X1, PS4 became the established dominant console based just on its policies and hardware, relative to the competition. It took time for the great exclusives to come but that generally wasn't an issue and it flew off the shelves.

 

Sony are obviously developing games (since why wouldn't they be) so your unhappiness seems to stem from the fact they haven't announced any new ones in the last few years. But I know for fact that you also complained when Sony announced games in the past years ahead of their release date, and then showed gameplay for them year after year. I feel like you would not be happy either way.

[Hero-of-Time]

55 minutes ago, Julius said:

And because we haven't heard anything since Ghost  I'll be very surprised if there isn't at least one massive AAA title on launch day which isn't considered "must buy" by most. I'm expecting the launch year of the PS5 to be pretty stacked with first party and console exclusives. 

I wouldn't be surprised if this wasn't the case. History has shown that Sony tend to have weak console launches in terms of killer games. It's also shown that it's not really needed. Pretty much all of their home consoles have had weak launch games and all of them went on to sell very well despite this. Even the PS3.

I'm trying to think of who could actually have a game ready for them. No way a God of War sequel is ready, Sucker Punch are launching GoT on PS4, Naughty Dog have TLOU2 (although there are rumours of a second studio working on something else), Bend just released Days Gone last year and I think it's too soon for Spider-Man 2 or Horizon 2. The rumored Demons Souls Remastered and Ratchet and Clank (this could be a game that pushes me to buy day 1) are probably the best shouts.

If the MS showing is anything to go by, it looks like it will be 3rd party cross generation games that will be making up the numbers when both new consoles launch. 

[Ronnie]

30 minutes ago, Sheikah said:

Sony are obviously developing games (since why wouldn't they be) so your unhappiness seems to stem from the fact they haven't announced any new ones in the last few years

Unhappiness? I'm not bothered that my PS4 had been collecting dust since Spider-Man, so no need to put words into my mouth. All I said was it was pretty ridiculous they haven't announced a big new first party game in three whole years. Just an observation, this board is full of them. 

You're also missing the point. They're in this situation BECAUSE they revealed games years in advance. It's why they've barely had an E3 presence recently, they've nothing new to show. 

Hopefully Sony will copy Nintendo's approach with the Switch and pack year one of PS5, give us something new to look forward to. Fully expecting Horizon 2 at launch at the bare minimum. It doesn't matter if a console "needs" a big game at launch, why not reward early adopters with a big game to go with their shiny new console. 

Edited May 9, 2020 by Ronnie

[Sheikah]

Unhappiness? I'm not bothered that my PS4 had been collecting dust since Spider-Man, so no need to put words into my mouth. All I said was it was pretty ridiculous they haven't announced a big new first party game in three whole years. Just an observation, this board is full of them. 

You're also missing the point. They're in this situation BECAUSE they revealed games years in advance. It's why they've barely had an E3 presence recently, they've nothing new to show. 

Hopefully Sony will copy Nintendo's approach with the Switch and pack year one of PS5, give us something new to look forward to. Fully expecting Horizon 2 at launch at the bare minimum. It doesn't matter if a console "needs" a big game at launch, why not reward early adopters with a big game to go with their shiny new console. 

Nintendo's approach is cram their big guns into the first few years, leaving big first party gaps thereafter. That's what is happening now with Switch and also happened with Wii and Wii U. Sony's approach is a steady one, but they support the console right up until the end of its life. See Ghosts of Tsushima, Nioh 2, and TLOU2 this year.

 

As I said before, Sony absolutely do not need to copy Nintendo's approach because they have good third party support, and not only that, their systems sell well even without that support right away (see PS4).

 

And my point about you being unhappy was that you complain if they don't announce games early and then complain when they do. You just want to be a hater.