Daft Posted February 24, 2017 Posted February 24, 2017 Between Nioh, Horizon, Mass Effect, Persona 5 and Injustice 2 these few months are insane for me. It's pretty symptomatic of the situation Nintendo are in generally and why I haven't reconsidered for a second picking up a Switch since being excited initially. And later in the year, how is it going to compete with releases like Destiny 2, Wipeout, Ni no Kuni II and RDR 2? The rate of return on the PS4 at the moment is just too high. And that's before considering that I will barely have enough time for those games (and Overwatch, of course), let alone more.
Hero-of-Time Posted February 24, 2017 Posted February 24, 2017 Between Nioh, Horizon, Mass Effect, Persona 5 and Injustice 2 these few months are insane for me. This is the issue I have. The past couple of months have been crazy for the PS4. I've been gaming for 30 years and never have a seen a beginning of the year release schedule so jam packed with highly rated games for a single console. I'm currently playing through Nioh, need to finish off Kingdom Hearts DDD HD and then get back to Yakuza 0. I have yet to pick up Tales of Berseria or Digimon and then there's Horizon, Nier, Ghost Recon, Mass Effect and Persona 5 all out in the next few weeks. This leads me to question whether I should be buying a Switch at launch. There's really only Zelda that I want to play but I could just play that on my Wii U. After that i'm not really interested in anything else that's on the horizon for the console. There's also the fact that there's no VC at launch and the online system isn't even ready. I was talking to my mate about it yesterday and i've honestly never felt so deflated and let down by a Nintendo launch. I think why i've kept my preorder so far is mainly just due to nostalgia. I've had every Nintendo console/handheld and every console handheld at launch ever since I started working. However, i'm not sure if I can honestly justify it this time. I voted with my wallet when the NES Classic was released ( didn't buy it because i'm sick of Nintendo charging time and time again for games I already own ) so maybe I should continue this practice with the Switch?
Fierce_LiNk Posted February 24, 2017 Posted February 24, 2017 I think why i've kept my preorder so far is mainly just due to nostalgia. I've had every Nintendo console/handheld and every console handheld at launch ever since I started working. However, i'm not sure if I can honestly justify it this time. I voted with my wallet when the NES Classic was released ( didn't buy it because i'm sick of Nintendo charging time and time again for games I already own ) so maybe I should continue this practice with the Switch? Nostalgia would have been one of the reasons why I would have pre-ordered a Switch. I'd say that I'm maybe becoming less nostalgic these days and more about the moment. Nostalgia can only take you so far, imo.
Hero-of-Time Posted February 24, 2017 Posted February 24, 2017 Nostalgia would have been one of the reasons why I would have pre-ordered a Switch. I'd say that I'm maybe becoming less nostalgic these days and more about the moment. Nostalgia can only take you so far, imo. This is certainly true. At one time I would have just snapped the Switch up and thought nothing of it but now...I dunno. I guess i'm just getting tired of the same old song and dance that you have to put up with every time Nintendo release a new console. It starts with the promise of a strong launch ( either said by Nintendo PR or hinted at due to the lack of games in the dying years of their previous console ) that never comes true. There's the higher ups at Nintendo claiming that they have learned their lessons, but this is never the case. Fans claim that this will finally be the time when Nintendo get it together in terms of online gaming, but you are left shaking your head at what actually do as they simply refuse to get with the times in terms of online gaming functionality. It all adds up for a frustrating experience. I look at this console launch and it just looks rushed. It brings about the question that most people ask at the start of every new Nintendo generation...Just what the hell have they been doing in all the time that they have had since dumping their previous console?
Shorty Posted February 24, 2017 Posted February 24, 2017 You can all be grumpy while I sit and play Zelda on my shiny Switch on my lunch break Owning a Switch isn't going to take away from my existing gaming experience any. I still have the PS4. I can't wait to get my hands on one. How well Nintendo does with it doesn't really matter to me anymore.
Hero-of-Time Posted February 24, 2017 Posted February 24, 2017 You can all be grumpy while I sit and play Zelda on my shiny Switch on my lunch break We grumpy gits can sit and play it on the Wii U and save £300 to spend on other stuff. I see what you're saying, though. : peace:
Daft Posted February 24, 2017 Posted February 24, 2017 You can all be grumpy while I sit and play Zelda on my shiny Switch on my lunch break Owning a Switch isn't going to take away from my existing gaming experience any. I still have the PS4. I can't wait to get my hands on one. How well Nintendo does with it doesn't really matter to me anymore. I feel like Zelda is a game I wouldn't want to waste on lunch breaks. You can't beat a nice TV, good sound system and a few solid hours to get lost in it. I don't really think it's a case of owning a Switch taking away from existing game experiences, I think it's a case of everything is fighting for my time as it is and I don't need a Switch to add...it's single compelling game... ...that can be played on the Wii U anyway. [Edit: Just realised Hero just said this.] But I'm totally with you on how well Nintendo doing not really mattering to me, it's always going to be a secondary console. But with that comes the utter lack of need to be an early adopter.
Shorty Posted February 24, 2017 Posted February 24, 2017 Yeah I'm not really going to play it on my lunch :p Zelda is an awesome, personal, single-player experience for me that I'll close myself off from the world to enjoy.
Blade Posted February 24, 2017 Posted February 24, 2017 I am so glad that I have a PS4. Like @Hero\-of\-Time - keep the pre-order.
Rummy Posted February 24, 2017 Posted February 24, 2017 (edited) We grumpy gits can sit and play it on the Wii U and save £300 to spend on other stuff. I see what you're saying, though. : peace: Whilst I'm certainly not gaming as much as you guys here(so not noticed this apparently splurge of good games) I do find myself increasingly thinking about what I could do with the Switch money instead of a Switch. How many downloadable titles I fancy on PS4 but not at the current price etc; maybe a big retail game or two...just possibilities! Having said that I don't think I've bought anything retail or played much else since Overwatch was in my hands. Ofc I still think I'm going to get a Switch at some point, so I'm trying to remain behaved; but I do wonder how much further £300 could go elsewhere! I think as well that @Daft raises quite an interesting point about later in the year when a number of big releases are upon us - will Nintendo be able to remain sensible in that market? I can certainly see a peak in alternative console sales with Destiny 2 coming given some were still playing D1 on last gen's systems, no? Ni No Kuni will no doubt do well, but I'm not sure if it'll match/beat the first's. There's a game I'd love to see on Switch nonetheless though - probably one I'd likely play a lot more with portability too. Will be the fastest selling to 5 million (maybe 10) console ever i think. Very very strong start. Mario will carry it over christmas. Though it has the same flaws as the Wii (and WiiU). Not a good console imo, its more of a handheld with a very high price tag. Nintendo fans buy anything at any price though. It feels like Nintendo are answering the Vita, 360 and PS3. Interesting thought - though I disagree. I think it'll do well with its initial spurt similar to the WiiU but then stall, hard. Maybe we'll see things pick up later in the year with other releases but also see above. Out of interest when do you see it hitting the 5mil/10mil marks? What sort of timeframe is it competing against in former released consoles? Edited February 24, 2017 by Rummy
ReZourceman Posted February 24, 2017 Posted February 24, 2017 Just paid for my Switch. Hyypppeeeeddddd. Hyped for; - No games. - No VC. - No Mario until December. - No information. - No idea why I purchased it. - Being a total lad. - Bomberman . Wheeeeey.
Rummy Posted February 24, 2017 Posted February 24, 2017 (edited) I am pretty sure it will be fastest ever console to 5 million. It may also do 10-15 million on hype alone all by christmas. Lets see. It feels like a repeat of the Wii again. Zelda launch is similar too. My expectation is simply due to the sheer amount of hype rather than than boring long term stuff. Below PS4 but faster than any Ps3/360/xbone year. I think we're on different pages here as I'd resolutely stick a 'U' after the Wii in your post if it were mine :p We still need figures to compare to anyhow! Couldn't look properly earlier due to being at work and the filters make so much stuff a pain. Had a quick look now but reckon I still need to research a bit more as most of what I find refers to 'best-selling' rather than fastest-selling; can't find any comparison for what's done 5mil except some reference to the 3DS doing 5million in Japan alone in 52 weeks. Unrelated fact though - was in Sainsburys earlier and perusing the games aisle for the games I never play, sitting just opposite their wall of TVs. Then I hear a familiar ding, and it's Switch?! Turns out it was just a Switch video and branded thing to say you can pre-order at Sainsburys; but was quite interesting to see it being pushed in that manner! Don't know if it's just a general thing Sainsburys do or what but I've not particularly noticed that stuff before! EDIT: Best so far is VGChartz - is a graph and not clear figures and obviously not sure how/when/where sourced. Wii looks like the steepest start of all the lines, followed by PS4 - but I'm just judging that by eye. http://www.vgchartz.com/tools/hw_date.php?reg=Global&ending=Yearly Nope those lines look too dodgy for me - especially considering the PS4's apparently starts before it was even out?! Edited February 24, 2017 by Rummy
Happenstance Posted February 25, 2017 Posted February 25, 2017 (edited) Jeff Gerstmann doing the important tests [tweet]835304915220062208[/tweet] Jared Rea from Nintendo who is a friend of Giant Bomb commented on this. Apparently the carts are coated in something as a deterrent to stop animals and babies from swallowing them. Edited February 25, 2017 by Happenstance
gaggle64 Posted February 25, 2017 Posted February 25, 2017 I don't mind the Switch having a slow burn launch - definitely gonna give it a month or two until at least Puyo-Puyo-Tetris comes out (pro-tip - buy some version of Puyo-Puyo-Tetris). My concerns all centre around Nintendo trying to muddy up what should be a simple slam-dunk concept. A single Nintendo system that works on the go or attached to a TV? Great! IR sensors? Multiple controller configurations? "HD Rumble"? Whut? Why? Who? How? When? WHICH?
Hero-of-Time Posted February 25, 2017 Posted February 25, 2017 Vgchartz has its uses but they essentially just take sales from random sources online and claim them as professional figures. Then they guess everything in between correcting as they go along and making stuff up. Essentially a lot of nonsense mixed in. Switch I have no doubt will launch well. Long term will be tricky. But it is a handheld too. That part may be more successful than the console. First year should do well via fans alone if they handle software releases well. Edit: I fully expect the launch to break records. Zelda always does well too. 3rd party stuff isn't that important. I think it will do very well in Japan. I expect the thing to sell like crazy over there once Splatoon 2 is released. As for the rest of the world, I'm not too sure. Here in the UK I can see it having an alright start but then falling away once the hype is over. The UK has never really been a place that Nintendo have been successful in.
dazzybee Posted February 25, 2017 Posted February 25, 2017 I think it will do very well in Japan. I expect the thing to sell like crazy over there once Splatoon 2 is released. As for the rest of the world, I'm not too sure. Here in the UK I can see it having an alright start but then falling away once the hype is over. The UK has never really been a place that Nintendo have been successful in. I think it will do incredibly well in Japan and US for the first year. After that all depends on if Nintendo do smash it with the games. And if success does bring the 3rd parties. Didn't EA say Mass Effect could come if it's a success?
Hero-of-Time Posted February 25, 2017 Posted February 25, 2017 I think it will do incredibly well in Japan and US for the first year. After that all depends on if Nintendo do smash it with the games. And if success does bring the 3rd parties. Didn't EA say Mass Effect could come if it's a success? Not sure when or if they said that but it's not ideal. If it did arrive it would be ages after the game had been released on the other consoles. This gives the perception that the Switch is just an afterthought when it comes to 3rd parties. To have an impact, 3rd party games need to launch on the Switch the same time they do on the PS4/One.
Fierce_LiNk Posted February 25, 2017 Posted February 25, 2017 Is the Switch powerful enough to run Andromeda? Did it ever get clarified how exactly it matches up to the PS4/One?
dazzybee Posted February 25, 2017 Posted February 25, 2017 Not sure when or if they said that but it's not ideal. If it did arrive it would be ages after the game had been released on the other consoles. This gives the perception that the Switch is just an afterthought when it comes to 3rd parties. To have an impact, 3rd party games need to launch on the Switch the same time they do on the PS4/One. http://www.shacknews.com/article/99184/mass-effect-andromeda-on-switch-possible-if-console-is-a-success Yeah, it's why the Wii U 3rd parties did so poorly, old games for more money... The *only* way I can see this being different is portability factor. At least it's a different version of it completely. How big that is I don't know. But if Batman Arkam City came out on the 3DS instead of the wii u I think people would be more interested in it. Same with COD, Assassins creed and all those games. Even late, it's still pretty special to have them portable.
Fierce_LiNk Posted February 25, 2017 Posted February 25, 2017 (edited) http://www.shacknews.com/article/99184/mass-effect-andromeda-on-switch-possible-if-console-is-a-success Yeah, it's why the Wii U 3rd parties did so poorly, old games for more money... The *only* way I can see this being different is portability factor. At least it's a different version of it completely. How big that is I don't know. But if Batman Arkam City came out on the 3DS instead of the wii u I think people would be more interested in it. Same with COD, Assassins creed and all those games. Even late, it's still pretty special to have them portable. I tried playing Arkham City on the WiiU's screen and it was an absolute nightmare. The scale of the game is too great and although the game takes place in a city, there are lots of alleyways and tight streets. It's a big screen experience. I can't imagine trying a game like Assassin's Creed on such a small screen like the 3DS'. Edited February 25, 2017 by Fierce_LiNk
dazzybee Posted February 25, 2017 Posted February 25, 2017 I tried playing Arkham City on the WiiU's screen and it was an absolute nightmare. The scale of the game is too great and although the game takes place in a city, there are lots of alleyways and tight street. It's a big screen experience. I can't imagine trying a game like Assassin's Creed on such a small screen like the 3DS'. Sorry I think I'm confusing things, I agree those games would be horrific on the 3DS screen, I was trying to say the idea of it is different enough it could be tempting to people. In the same way that Smash, Mario maker, Yoshi, Hyrule warriors etc could tempt people to double dip, as it's a different way of playing it. It may not, but it could mean all these late ports like Skyrim have a better chance than the 3rd parties on Wii U which were just late, expensive, inferior ports on a home console.
bob Posted February 25, 2017 Posted February 25, 2017 [tweet]835544372292681728[/tweet] I remember that if you opened up the compartments on the bottom of the Gamecube, it smelled really nice. Maybe it's the same smell?
Hero-of-Time Posted February 27, 2017 Posted February 27, 2017 After thinking about it, and talking with Blade and Lostmario last night, i've cancelled my preorder. I can't justify shelling out £280 on a console that seems half baked and not ready. I can easily afford it but just because I can doesn't mean I should. The lack of online, Virtual Console and very thin launch line up has led me to this decision. There is only Zelda that I really want ( was interested in I Am Setsuna but it was on sale on PSN last week, so bought it for my PS4 ) and I can get that on the Wii U. A lot of the other games that are out on launch or coming soon after I have either played or already own on the Wii U or PS4. I'm honestly not happy with the launch at all and i'm surprised that it has taken me so long to come to this decision. However, I am happy that, just like the NES Classic situation, I have managed to peel away from the nostalgic pull of Nintendo and vote with my wallet. My doing so is probably a drop in the ocean for Nintendo but at least it's a start. Hopefully Nintendo will show something decent at E3, build up the library of games and have everything up and running for when I do decide to jump in. As it stands, I will be playing Zelda on my Wii U. At least i'll be able to post my adventures on Miiverse.
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