Happenstance Posted August 11, 2015 Posted August 11, 2015 I still tend to get a lot of my games physical simply because of my slow Internet connection. It can take me days to download a 50 gig game.
Ronnie Posted August 11, 2015 Posted August 11, 2015 (edited) Interesting thanks guys, I had no idea you had to install a part of the physical games, I guess it makes sense to cut down on loading times. Do people find that the 500GB PS4 is enough for them? Sorry I'm likely to ask a lot of stupid questions in the coming weeks. Speaking of which... should I wait for the next hardware refresh? I think there's one just out in Japan that's quieter and uses less power. I can't say I'm too fussed about either and I quite like the gloss on the current console Don't think there are any other differences. This is where you're going to need to watch PSN like a hawk. There are and have been stupidly good deals there for some of those games that you mention there. Tomb Raider was £9.99 a few months ago, if I remember rightly. Alien is currently under £15. A bunch of us picked up Drive Club for £35 at launch digitally, which is a crazy price. LBP is currently £15.99. There are great deals there, so it definitely is worth thinking about going digital. Those do sound like great deals, looks like I might have to do a mix between retail and digital downloads. I never sell them so not too fussed about not being able to with the latter. I also need to look into PS+, I heard this month's deals are great. If I signed up now would I be able to download last month's free games (and further back)? I suspect not! Edited August 11, 2015 by Ronnie
S.C.G Posted August 11, 2015 Posted August 11, 2015 Interesting thanks guys, I had no idea you had to install a part of the physical games, I guess it makes sense to cut down on loading times. Do people find that the 500GB PS4 is enough for them? Sorry I'm likely to ask a lot of stupid questions in the coming weeks. You'll be needing one of these if you go for a 500gb PS4... http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00I8O6OQ4/ref=pe_385721_51767431_TE_dp_1 Or just buy a 1TB PS4 and see how things go... : peace: All of the increasing sizes of games have effectively forced me to up my storage for all three consoles, 2TB internal for PS4, 2TB external for Wii U and most recently a 3TB external for my Xbox One. 'Dem games! :p
Hero-of-Time Posted August 11, 2015 Posted August 11, 2015 Interesting thanks guys, I had no idea you had to install a part of the physical games, I guess it makes sense to cut down on loading times. Do people find that the 500GB PS4 is enough for them? Sorry I'm likely to ask a lot of stupid questions in the coming weeks. Speaking of which... should I wait for the next hardware refresh? I think there's one just out in Japan that's quieter and uses less power. I can't say I'm too fussed about either and I quite like the gloss on the current console Don't think there are any other differences. I have never felt the need to upgrade my HDD but I think im in the minority on here. I buy physical games all the time and only get digital ones if there's no other option. I usually only play a few games at a time and once i'm finished them I then deleted them from the console. I think FIFA is the only one I have kept installed for a long period of time, due to the weekly N-E games we have. I suppose this is why I never run out of space. As for the quieter/less power consumption model, I think that's already out and about in Europe. I also need to look into PS+, I heard this month's deals are great. If I signed up now would I be able to download last month's free games (and further back)? I suspect not! You only have access to the games that you download during the month that you are a PS+ member. You can even download games on consoles that you don't even own yet. I know a few people on here who have a PS4 but don't have a Vita that will have a shed load of games awaiting them if they do decide to pick one up. I think you would get a lot out of PS+ due to your interest in the indies market. There's always a couple of cheeky titles worth playing each month on PS+.
Ronnie Posted August 11, 2015 Posted August 11, 2015 You'll be needing one of these if you go for a 500gb PS4... http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00I8O6OQ4/ref=pe_385721_51767431_TE_dp_1 Or just buy a 1TB PS4 and see how things go... : peace: All of the increasing sizes of games have effectively forced me to up my storage for all three consoles, 2TB internal for PS4, 2TB external for Wii U and most recently a 3TB external for my Xbox One. 'Dem games! :p Oh right I assumed 500GB was more than enough! Bear in mind I'm not exactly a heavy gamer who'll end up with dozens of titles in no time. Just doing some research, is that right that install size from physical copies takes up the same space on the hard drive as the whole game downloaded off PSN would? So the install basically copies the entire disk? I figured retail would save on HDD space but seems not, maybe 1TB is the way to go!
Hero-of-Time Posted August 11, 2015 Posted August 11, 2015 Oh right I assumed 500GB was more than enough! Bear in mind I'm not exactly a heavy gamer who'll end up with dozens of titles in no time. Just doing some research, is that right that install size from physical copies takes up the same space on the hard drive as the whole game downloaded off PSN would? So the install basically copies the entire disk? I figured retail would save on HDD space but seems not, maybe 1TB is the way to go! I honestly think you'll get by with 500GB. You've said yourself that you're not a heavy gamer. If you start installing games left and right then that's when it becomes an issue. Out of interest, why are you interested in a PS4 over a Xbox One? The selection of Playstation indie games more appealing than the Ones offerings?
Ronnie Posted August 11, 2015 Posted August 11, 2015 Out of interest, why are you interested in a PS4 over a Xbox One? The selection of Playstation indie games more appealing than the Ones offerings? In terms of the games I'm interested in the PS4 has more exclusives: PS4: The Order, Infamous, Journey, Resogun, LBP, Tearaway, Uncharted, No Man's Sky, Firewatch, Rime, The Witness, Horizon: Zero Dawn (?) XBO: Sunset Overdrive, Ori, Below, Cuphead, ReCore (?)
S.C.G Posted August 11, 2015 Posted August 11, 2015 Put it this way... If the price difference between a 500gb PS4 and a 1TB PS4 is something like £20 or if it's non-existent price difference due to getting a good bundle deal then I would go with that as it gives you more to play with. XBO: Sunset Overdrive, Ori, Below, Cuphead and ReCore (?) Oh... and Rare Replay! how could I forget?
Ronnie Posted August 11, 2015 Posted August 11, 2015 Oh yeah, Rare Reply too! How could I forget? Add Everybody's Gone to the Rapture to the PS4 list though
Fierce_LiNk Posted August 11, 2015 Posted August 11, 2015 You only have access to the games that you download during the month that you are a PS+ member. You can even download games on consoles that you don't even own yet. I know a few people on here who have a PS4 but don't have a Vita that will have a shed load of games awaiting them if they do decide to pick one up. I think you would get a lot out of PS+ due to your interest in the indies market. There's always a couple of cheeky titles worth playing each month on PS+. I'm one of the ones that Hero is talking about here. Basically, you get about 5/6 games that get added to PS+ each month. Usually, it's 2 each for PS4, PS3, Vita, however there are quite a few cross-platform titles. So, you may end up with, say, 3 PS4 games one month or even 4. I've got a decent collection of Vita and PS3 games without owning these systems. Think you said before that you had a Vita, @Ronnie? Oh right I assumed 500GB was more than enough! Bear in mind I'm not exactly a heavy gamer who'll end up with dozens of titles in no time. Just doing some research, is that right that install size from physical copies takes up the same space on the hard drive as the whole game downloaded off PSN would? So the install basically copies the entire disk? I figured retail would save on HDD space but seems not, maybe 1TB is the way to go! Personally, I found the 500GB too small and outgrew it quickly. I bought my own HDD and installed that, taking me up to 2TB and found that it has kept me happy thus far. Think the 1TB model may even be worth considering, but that still wouldn't be enough for me. I believe that the entire game disc gets installed to the HDD. So, if you were to buy the disc or download it, it would take up the same amount of space on your HDD. Personally, I'm a big fan of digital games. I'm not into the habit of selling games, they take up far less physical storage space (in cupboards, etc) and you can quickly jump between games without having to go near the console. It's all down to preference, though. If I were you, I'd just keep an eye and ear open for certain deals that will crop up. Keep an eye on the store once the PS+ games go up and you'll see certain discounts for other games, too.
Shorty Posted August 11, 2015 Posted August 11, 2015 I would get the console that everyone else on N-E has for the clan and multiplayer opportunities.
Ronnie Posted August 11, 2015 Posted August 11, 2015 I've got a decent collection of Vita and PS3 games without owning these systems. Think you said before that you had a Vita, @Ronnie? Yeah I feel a little silly for getting it though. Only played Tearaway, Wipeout and LBP and as great as those games are, it was a waste of money. PS+ sounds like it might make up for it though... I believe that the entire game disc gets installed to the HDD. So, if you were to buy the disc or download it, it would take up the same amount of space on your HDD. Personally, I'm a big fan of digital games. I'm not into the habit of selling games, they take up far less physical storage space (in cupboards, etc) and you can quickly jump between games without having to go near the console. It's all down to preference, though. If I were you, I'd just keep an eye and ear open for certain deals that will crop up. Keep an eye on the store once the PS+ games go up and you'll see certain discounts for other games, too. Thanks again for all the tips, if the whole disk gets copied over that's pushing me towards digital. Will keep an eye on the store for any discounts or if the price isn't much more than retail. I suppose if I can upgrade the HDD and transfer everything across to the new one, maybe 500GB will be fine to start with.
Daft Posted August 11, 2015 Posted August 11, 2015 I delete and re-download stuff whenever I need. It's easy. If you have fast internet with no download cap, that's a pretty viable option.
Fierce_LiNk Posted August 11, 2015 Posted August 11, 2015 Yeah I feel a little silly for getting it though. Only played Tearaway, Wipeout and LBP and as great as those games are, it was a waste of money. PS+ sounds like it might make up for it though... Thanks again for all the tips, if the whole disk gets copied over that's pushing me towards digital. Will keep an eye on the store for any discounts or if the price isn't much more than retail. I suppose if I can upgrade the HDD and transfer everything across to the new one, maybe 500GB will be fine to start with. PS+ will guarantee that you've got stuff to play on it. There's also the possibility of being able to use the Vita for remote play, so off-tv play, although I've never done that. I'm tempted to get a Vita as I've got a decent backlog of games now and I'm interested in how some of the cross-platform games work. You can just get a 500GB model now and upgrade in the future if you think you need to. It's a relatively simple process, but it can be quite time consuming redownloading everything. It's what I did and whilst I do semi-regret not getting a bigger HDD straight away, it wasn't too big a deal and not really one that I'm kicking myself over.
Jimbob Posted August 11, 2015 Posted August 11, 2015 I delete and re-download stuff whenever I need. It's easy. If you have fast internet with no download cap, that's a pretty viable option. Same here. Even though i upgraded my PS4 HDD to 1tb, i still go about my old ways of deleting and re-installing games as and when required. Space will not be an issue for me.
drahkon Posted August 12, 2015 Posted August 12, 2015 So...Sony will increase PS+ prices for the one and three month subscriptions. Won't affect me personally as I only do 12 month subscriptions. It still sucks, because I think this means that the 12 month deal will become more expensive eventually. Also: Does Sony do anything with the money to improve PSN stability? Lots of outages and issues in the past few months which were incredibly annoying. For all the things Sony has done right, this (PSN stability) is the one thing they need to improve a lot.
Happenstance Posted August 12, 2015 Posted August 12, 2015 I was talking about this on another forum and while I do think Sony need to sort out download speeds on their service, I do think you can see the difference when actually playing games online from last gen to this gen.
Sheikah Posted August 12, 2015 Posted August 12, 2015 (edited) So...Sony will increase PS+ prices for the one and three month subscriptions. Won't affect me personally as I only do 12 month subscriptions. It still sucks, because I think this means that the 12 month deal will become more expensive eventually. Also: Does Sony do anything with the money to improve PSN stability? Lots of outages and issues in the past few months which were incredibly annoying. For all the things Sony has done right, this (PSN stability) is the one thing they need to improve a lot. Well there was a problem a while ago where messages would take ages to send, receive or view. I've not seen the problem for a long time, so they might have stealth fixed some things. Overall it works pretty well now, nothing that affects me anyway. I was talking about this on another forum and while I do think Sony need to sort out download speeds on their service, I do think you can see the difference when actually playing games online from last gen to this gen. That's weird because for me, I get max speeds. I'm on 40 Mb or something too. Edited August 12, 2015 by Sheikah
Happenstance Posted August 12, 2015 Posted August 12, 2015 That's weird because for me, I get max speeds. I'm on 40 Mb or something too. Must be pretty lucky then as its a wide spread, well known issue.
Daft Posted August 12, 2015 Posted August 12, 2015 It takes a game/update about as long to install as it does to download for me. I'm right by the exchange, though. And I live in London, which can't hurt. Occasionally I'll get a slow download but it's usually the exception instead of the rule. Playstation Now also worked flawlessly for me, so I'm obviously in a good area. But it's obviously an issue for a fair amount of people. I can't imagine how frustrating it is. I totally agree stability needs to be sorted the fuck out. But then I also think PSN is less of a problem than individual game's online stability – I'm looking at you Destiny, you often laggy piece of crap.
drahkon Posted August 12, 2015 Posted August 12, 2015 In my opinion PSN is good, but with the money they get and especially after increasing the prices the service can and should be better.
Fierce_LiNk Posted August 12, 2015 Posted August 12, 2015 @Ronnie, there's a summer sale taking place on the PSN store. Here's a few things that you might be interested in: The Order - £22.49 Tomb Raider - £10.79 Assassin's Creed Black Flag - £12.39 (do eet) Shadow of Mordor Legion Edition (not sure what edition that is) - £22.49 Dragon Age: Inquisition - £22.49 Alien Isolation - £14.39 (hnnnggggggg) Go here and click on Deals and Offers. I've not checked out Vita stuff, but there may be one or two things there. There's also some great deals for FIFA and PES, but I don't think you'd be interested in either.
Goron_3 Posted August 12, 2015 Posted August 12, 2015 Bloodborne is also totally legit. One of the greatest games I've ever played.
Fierce_LiNk Posted August 12, 2015 Posted August 12, 2015 Bloodborne is also totally legit. One of the greatest games I've ever played. With no offence intended to @Ronnie, I'm 99.9% sure that Bloodborne would destroy him. I was almost not ready for it. However, I've come to love it and agree that it is one of the best games I've ever played. That was after about a 10-hour period where it was the worst game I ever played. The gaming equivalent of puberty.
Ronnie Posted August 12, 2015 Posted August 12, 2015 (edited) @Ronnie, there's a summer sale taking place on the PSN store. Here's a few things that you might be interested in: The Order - £22.49 Tomb Raider - £10.79 Assassin's Creed Black Flag - £12.39 (do eet) Shadow of Mordor Legion Edition (not sure what edition that is) - £22.49 Dragon Age: Inquisition - £22.49 Alien Isolation - £14.39 (hnnnggggggg) Go here and click on Deals and Offers. I've not checked out Vita stuff, but there may be one or two things there. There's also some great deals for FIFA and PES, but I don't think you'd be interested in either. Thanks for the heads up, hoping to pick up my PS4 next week so hopefully these will still be around then. edit: Bloodborne doesn't really seem my kind of game tbh, sure it's great though Will pick up Tomb Raider, The Order and Black Flag at that price, I'd like to get into Dragon Age but it seems a bit too RPG heavy which isn't really my kind of thing. Edited August 12, 2015 by Ronnie
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