ReZourceman Posted July 15, 2010 Share Posted July 15, 2010 noob Lol. "noob". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daft Posted July 15, 2010 Share Posted July 15, 2010 *Whats your Raoul Moat name?* First name of your hairdresser then your favourite military barricade. Mines Mario Portcullis. That amused me on Twitter. As for Raoul Moat...who cares? fuck him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReZourceman Posted July 15, 2010 Share Posted July 15, 2010 *Whats your Raoul Moat name?* First name of your hairdresser then your favourite military barricade. Mines Mario Portcullis. That amused me on Twitter. As for Raoul Moat...who cares? fuck him. I hear he likes it when people Raoulmoat up his bum. Good? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lillster Posted July 15, 2010 Share Posted July 15, 2010 Raoul Moat ain't got shit on Derrick Bird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daft Posted July 15, 2010 Share Posted July 15, 2010 I hear he likes it when people Raoulmoat up his bum. Good? No, Rez. Not good. You've shamed yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicktendo Posted July 15, 2010 Share Posted July 15, 2010 Hi my name is Jillian Wall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted July 15, 2010 Share Posted July 15, 2010 (edited) I've been following this and I think it's disgusting that he's being called a legend and a hero and such. Cold-blooded murder is just wrong and should not be praised in any sort of way and I don't condone what he did. However, Raoul Moat knew he had a problem and he continually asked to see a psychiatrist for months on end and the reason why he had such a hatred for the police is because they kept on hassling him during his days of being a bouncer and then, after he quit because of his kids and he became a tree surgeon, he was still hassled even though he was doing nothing wrong. The man even started recording things just to prove he weren't doing anything. There were loads of cameras outside and inside the house, hidden in bushes and such and he wouldn't even go out without a wire. I can't deny that there is part of me that feels a little bit sorry for him because he was tormented, one can only take so much before one snaps. Even his ex-girlfriend's mom said she hates him for what he did but he asked for help and nobody gave it him. But yeah, I don't get the praising at all. Why praise a killer? He's not a hero, just a disturbed, frustrated man... Edited July 15, 2010 by Animal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dannyboy-the-Dane Posted July 15, 2010 Share Posted July 15, 2010 I've been following this and I think it's disgusting that he's being called a legend and a hero and such. Cold-blooded murder is just wrong and should not be praised in any sort of way and I don't condone what he did. However, Raoul Moat knew he had a problem and he continually asked to see a psychiatrist for months on end and the reason why he had such a hatred for the police is because they kept on hassling him during his days of being a bouncer and then, after he quit because of his kids and he became a tree surgeon, he was still hassled. The man even started recording things just to prove he weren't doing anything. I can't deny that there is part of me that feels a little bit sorry for him because he was tormented, one can only take so much before one snaps. Even his ex-girlfriend's mom said she hates him for what he did but he asked for help and nobody gave it him. But yeah, I don't get the praising at all. He's not a hero, just a disturbed, frustrated man... Pitying someone and hailing someone as a hero are two completely different things. If what you're writing there is true, I do indeed pity him very much as well. But I would never hail him as a hero. Criticise the system, on the other hand - yes, I'd do that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted July 15, 2010 Share Posted July 15, 2010 Pitying someone and hailing someone as a hero are two completely different things. If what you're writing there is true, I do indeed pity him very much as well. But I would never hail him as a hero. Criticise the system, on the other hand - yes, I'd do that! This is true. He actually recorded the conversations with social workers and the police and himself and you can clearly hear what he says and what they say. It must have been hell living like that, being so paranoid you feel you have to record everything just to prove you didn't say or do what you're accused of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wesley Posted July 16, 2010 Share Posted July 16, 2010 You wanna know the kind of people who respect him? Dicks. I do however feel saddened by the sudden demonisation of Moaty, just like Derrick. Clearly there were mental issues with both and, in the case of Moat, problems stemming from family and issues in society. He doesn't earn my respect for that though. Fuck him, people go through that shit and worse everyday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ipaul Posted July 16, 2010 Share Posted July 16, 2010 This is weird because generally I'm the sort of person that has opinions on criminals that most people find contemptible. You know, 'What about their rights?' 'The death penalty is a bad idea'. Yet this...people are cheering for this dickhead? He served an 18 week sentence for assault and killed someone because he felt 'abused by the system'. Shame he was so paranoid but my god he was murderer people! He deserves 15-20 not a collective high five. I still dislike the police though, they seem to have been slightly incompetent throughout this. On the plus side, I have now learned of Gazza's chicken and lager delivery service. I shall use it regularly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcj metroid Posted July 16, 2010 Share Posted July 16, 2010 Having heard the debate on the radio, I just wanted to know what N-E thought about anything related to this? What debate? What on earth are the arguments that he IS a "legend"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicktendo Posted July 16, 2010 Share Posted July 16, 2010 Could have been interesting if the English language hadn't have been raped in the process. Just another case of scum supporting scum, nothing new. Fuck him, people go through that shit and worse everyday. True, people do and most cope and manage it well. I do however think it's a reflection on the society we've become that this sort of thing is happening and I'm sure it will happen again and again until the root cause of the problem is solved, but that's another debate for another thread... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReZourceman Posted July 16, 2010 Share Posted July 16, 2010 Yeah, why do none of those people know the difference between "of" and "off". It can't even be likened to "u" or "lyk" or "jks" at least those are shortening the word. Seriously thats primary school stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cube Posted July 16, 2010 Share Posted July 16, 2010 What debate? What on earth are the arguments that he IS a "legend"? There is a debate to be had: should people be allowed to create groups like that? Even though it's an utterly terrible thing to do, I think that people should be allowed to express their opinion no matter how crazy it is. If you see anyone join a group like that, just remove or hide them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbob Posted July 16, 2010 Share Posted July 16, 2010 There is a debate to be had: should people be allowed to create groups like that? Even though it's an utterly terrible thing to do, I think that people should be allowed to express their opinion no matter how crazy it is. If you see anyone join a group like that, just remove or hide them. Agreed, it is freedom of speech after all. Something that i do agree on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dannyboy-the-Dane Posted July 16, 2010 Share Posted July 16, 2010 Fuck him, people go through that shit and worse everyday. Still, those people are able to cope with it, something he obviously wasn't. It's a question about mental strength and health. I'm not defending him. What he did was horrible. But I don't think of him as an evil man, rather a very troubled man, whom I pity. I hope this will create focus on the faults of the system in this and cases like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheikah Posted July 16, 2010 Share Posted July 16, 2010 (edited) There is a debate to be had: should people be allowed to create groups like that? I'd rather go with "should these people be allowed to procreate?" It amazes me in that string of facebook posts that people think it's fine to do what he did under certain circumstances (e.g. girlfriend dumping him for another man). This happens to people all the time but it takes a completely paranoid arsehole to react like this. His prison/dumping circumstances seem to have been entirely self-caused, so he had only himself to blame. Unlike most, I'm not going to go along with him having 'mental issues' as a reason to pity him. It's just far too easy and honestly doesn't serve out the hatred a creature like this deserves. I genuinely think he was a stupid dick who, perhaps in a moment of sheer anger, triggered a sequence of events that led to his eventual suicide. Once he had begun his outburst, he essentially followed through. Still, those people are able to cope with it, something he obviously wasn't. It's a question about mental strength and health. It may not necessarily mean he was mentally ill or couldn't cope. Some people are genuinely spiteful, dare I say evil. Edited July 16, 2010 by Sheikah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yesteryeargames Posted July 16, 2010 Share Posted July 16, 2010 honestly why is there a thread about this? who gives a crap im glad he is dead i hope he rotts in hell forever. by talking about him he lives on anyway he cant have a facebook page considering he has not much of a face left after shooting it lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoogleViper Posted July 16, 2010 Share Posted July 16, 2010 There seems to be an obvious issue that seems to have been missed here. The prison apparently warned police of what he was going to do (or something like that). Should the police have reacted sooner? Or is this just 20/20 hindsight? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wesley Posted July 16, 2010 Share Posted July 16, 2010 You'd have to also know how many prisons warn police of things like this in general. I mean... for all we know they might alert police about every two thirds of prisoners released, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happenstance Posted July 16, 2010 Share Posted July 16, 2010 Your right that if we dont know the numbers involved for how often prisons contact the police after someone is released and that probably factors in with this but you have to think that if the prison felt strongly enough to contact the police about a possible threat then that should have been taken more seriously than apparently it was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wesley Posted July 16, 2010 Share Posted July 16, 2010 But then I'm not even sure how the supposed contact took place... I mean, does the prison inform the police of every person released? And possibly with this one it was just mentioned he may be a risk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happenstance Posted July 16, 2010 Share Posted July 16, 2010 From what they said on the news, the prison informed the police that Moat posed a significant risk to his ex girlfriend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dannyboy-the-Dane Posted July 16, 2010 Share Posted July 16, 2010 I'd rather go with "should these people be allowed to procreate?" It amazes me in that string of facebook posts that people think it's fine to do what he did under certain circumstances (e.g. girlfriend dumping him for another man). This happens to people all the time but it takes a completely paranoid arsehole to react like this. His prison/dumping circumstances seem to have been entirely self-caused, so he had only himself to blame. Unlike most, I'm not going to go along with him having 'mental issues' as a reason to pity him. It's just far too easy and honestly doesn't serve out the hatred a creature like this deserves. I genuinely think he was a stupid dick who, perhaps in a moment of sheer anger, triggered a sequence of events that led to his eventual suicide. Once he had begun his outburst, he essentially followed through. It may not necessarily mean he was mentally ill or couldn't cope. Some people are genuinely spiteful, dare I say evil. You're right that there are genuinely evil people out there. Regarding Moat's mental state, we don't really know the extent and/or existence of his mental illness, but I don't think I agree with you on that point. If he really was as paranoid and mentally ill as some sources claim him to be, and if he really was neglected as much by the system, I feel a lot more pity for him than hate. I know my view on this will probably stir some minds, but if he truly was that mentally disturbed, I don't think he can be held completely responsible for his actions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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