Sheikah Posted May 31, 2009 Posted May 31, 2009 (edited) Clearly I'm not getting it, because as far as I can tell you're complaining that Sony haven't given you a reason to buy a new machine... Well, it was when you said this: interest that is just as advantageous to existing customers as new ones; When existing gamers won't be able to play the games they've already paid for on this system. Y'know, just a bit odd that you were saying that it was as advantageous for existing customers. It really isn't. :P There's really very little advantage for existing customers with a UMD library. Although, to be honest, I'm considering what happened with the DS-> DS Lite here. I do appreciate having had the opportunity to buy a DS Lite as it was a great upgrade from the clunky old phat. I wouldn't have minded if Sony had still done a major design revamp (although I question the design of this) while also keeping the option to play old games. Instead of making something so attractive only to those without a UMD library. Well, I guess what I'd like to say is that I would have liked this had I still any interest for the PSP. :p For the vast majority of people that already own a PSP the Go is only relevant insofar as more games will be coming out for the machine they own due to its existence. There is no requirement to 'upgrade', their current device will be able to play everything that comes out at no extra cost. Well that's a huge assumption that this model will directly result in games that would never have been envisioned somehow becoming envisioned and becoming developed. But then there's also the question whether it will directly result in stellar titles being produced and not mediocre ones. Who knows? Edited May 31, 2009 by Sheikah
Pit-Jr Posted May 31, 2009 Posted May 31, 2009 Thus, we conclude from what we know so far that you'd have to have no PSP already or have more money than sense to have any reason to buy this. Theres a large market of people who have no PSP and also a large market of people who have more money than sense. Sony is targetting these people. If your saying that existing PSP users shouldnt buy one, then your absolutely right, because they already have one. Question: Can DSLite and DS Phat owners access the DSi shop? Im not clear on this so im asking here. If not, then the DSi is the dickiest upgrade ever
S.C.G Posted May 31, 2009 Posted May 31, 2009 Question: Can DSLite and DS Phat owners access the DSi shop? Im not clear on this so im asking here. If not, then the DSi is the dickiest upgrade ever No they can't... the DSi shop is moreorless the whole point of the DSi, people who don't want downloadable games and some interesting extra features such as the motion cameras won't buy one, the machine is actually an awesome upgrade, it's just a shame that there isn't much out that's worth purchasing from the DSi shop atm, for me at least.
Sheikah Posted May 31, 2009 Posted May 31, 2009 Theres a large market of people who have no PSP and also a large market of people who have more money than sense. Sony is targetting these people. If your saying that existing PSP users shouldnt buy one, then your absolutely right, because they already have one. There's really not that a big market of people who have more money than sense, no PSP, and have interest in the PSP. The PSP was expensive when it came out, so I could pretty much imagine that particular audience having bought a PSP way back when it was touted to be a powerful handheld gaming machine like nothing seen before, meaning many would already be excluded from the new customer category. Question: Can DSLite and DS Phat owners access the DSi shop? Im not clear on this so im asking here. If not, then the DSi is the dickiest upgrade ever They can't, which is why I have the DS Lite. And that is a fantastic upgrade, IMO. To be honest though the shop is just for titles that aren't anything to lose sleep over.
Guest Captain Falcon Posted May 31, 2009 Posted May 31, 2009 When existing gamers won't be able to play the games they've already paid for on this system. Y'know, just a bit odd that you were saying that it was as advantageous for existing customers. It really isn't. :P There's really very little advantage for existing customers with a UMD library. The only advantage to existing users is if the hardware sales increase enough as as result to justify developers spending money on making quality software that sees a retail and digital release - but when you have an install base of 50m already and they question it, well you've got problems. So if we are saying this device is aimed a people who don't already have a PSP, I'm failing to see what it does extra that will entice them. It doesn't look better and the functionality doesn't set it apart either. Do PSN games go down in price after a certain point? I only ask because people purchasing a product this far into it's lifespan may be wanting to make the most of the second hand market to fill the holes in their back catalogue. This is clearly not an option for PSP Go users, so will they be forced to pay full price for every game they ever want on top of buying a more expensive system?
Sheikah Posted May 31, 2009 Posted May 31, 2009 Do PSN games go down in price after a certain point? I only ask because people purchasing a product this far into it's lifespan may be wanting to make the most of the second hand market to fill Ha, another brilliant point, that I totally overlooked. While Sony set their own prices for games on this model, people are able to pick up PSP games for peanuts preowned from game stores. It seems pretty clear to me that the Go is aimed at protecting Sony's own inteests.
Shino Posted May 31, 2009 Posted May 31, 2009 What's to be confused about? "This machine plays games on disc and digital copies, this smaller machine only plays digital copies." This isn't like the PS3 dropping backward compatibility with PS2 games; the devices are clearly distinguishable. It doesn't matter even if they're distinguishable, its the newer version of the same brand.
Caris Posted May 31, 2009 Posted May 31, 2009 well that will make sense... but what if they don't put kiosks everywhere where the machine is sold? it'll be problematic for people who want to exchange their UMD's for downloads if they aren't near one of these places that will supposedly have these Kiosks. Sorry S.C.G but you are being awfully negative, this is a optional PSP to the 3000. UMD's and 3000's are still gonna be on sale, if you want to upgrade then yeah it might cost you some postage costs or something but deal with it. When iTunes+ came out you had to pay to upgrade your library, there is a trade in scheme in America where you can trade in your HD-DVD's for a blu ray copies but you have to pay postage. This isn't just a Sony thing you know.
Guest Captain Falcon Posted May 31, 2009 Posted May 31, 2009 Ha, another brilliant point, that I totally overlooked. While Sony set their own prices for games on this model, people are able to pick up PSP games for peanuts preowned from game stores. It seems pretty clear to me that the Go is aimed at protecting Sony's own inteests. Which brings me back to the point as to who this is aimed at. Who doesn't mind spending a lot on a console and it's games? That's right, hardcore gamers and early adopters - the two very categories that are already likely to own a PSP. So even if this does convert them to "upgrade", whilst it will increase the install base, it's an artificial increase as no more games will be sold than there would have been before.
S.C.G Posted May 31, 2009 Posted May 31, 2009 Sorry S.C.G but you are being awfully negative, this is a optional PSP to the 3000 This isn't just a Sony thing you know. I was just pointing out that if say someone had like an old PSP with 50 UMD's and wanted to get a new PSP Go and have all their games in digital format then in that instance if there was no kiosk near them then posting them off would be quite a bit of hassle, that's all. I know it's not just a Sony thing but I wasn't aware of any other examples.
Pit-Jr Posted May 31, 2009 Posted May 31, 2009 Ha, another brilliant point, that I totally overlooked. While Sony set their own prices for games on this model, people are able to pick up PSP games for peanuts preowned from game stores. It seems pretty clear to me that the Go is aimed at protecting Sony's own inteests. Sony, Nintendo, and Microsoft would like nothing more than to see the preowned game business die a fiery painful death. That's no big secret
Daft Posted May 31, 2009 Author Posted May 31, 2009 Sony, Nintendo, and Microsoft would like nothing more than to see the preowned game business die a fiery painful death. That's no big secret Them and every other games company.
Aimless Posted May 31, 2009 Posted May 31, 2009 It doesn't matter even if they're distinguishable, its the newer version of the same brand. But the Go is a separate product to the regular PSP. Different look, different name, and they're never going to advertise it as being able to play UMDs. If someone is about to spend over £100 on a handheld games machine then you'd hope they have enough foresight to know something about the thing they're buying, or at least read the back of the bloody box. On another note, the success of the Go won't be measured by the number of units it sells but by the reception that meets the new wave of PSP software. It's already getting people talking about what was for many a forgotten format, and ultimately that's the important thing. The Go is a part of Sony's attempt at making the PSP interesting again, and with interest comes developer support and product awareness. The iPod and Wii aren't just a success because of what they can do but how they've built up public perception; they're the default, the machines everybody knows. The PSP needs to rid itself of the perception that it's a failure that no one can make money on and that's exactly what Sony are looking to do.
Owen Posted June 1, 2009 Posted June 1, 2009 I like the look of the console, i like the idea i won't need to carry UMD's around and i like the idea it's even lighter then a PSP 3000! Just wish the choice was there for UMD playback though. I would have liked to trade in my old console towards it, but now i'm gonna have to keep it to play the games i've already got. and lower prices for psp downloaded games please!
S.C.G Posted June 1, 2009 Posted June 1, 2009 and lower prices for psp downloaded games please! Seconded, I've allready mentioned this, if Sony want this to work then they will need to keep prices realistic.
Shorty Posted June 1, 2009 Posted June 1, 2009 I haven't been interested in the PSP once until I saw this device, it looks nice, and the idea of built in game storage is very attractive.
dwarf Posted June 1, 2009 Posted June 1, 2009 I haven't been interested in the PSP once until I saw this device, it looks nice, and the idea of built in game storage is very attractive. Same boat as me. All I need is Sony to confirm reasonable (as in affordable for me) prices
ReZourceman Posted June 1, 2009 Posted June 1, 2009 DS fanboys wont like this :p You're right, its shit.
Happenstance Posted June 1, 2009 Posted June 1, 2009 The only way this will do well is if the developers actually back it this time, personally I dont think DS owners have anything to worry about (not that they are now anyway)
Will Posted June 1, 2009 Posted June 1, 2009 Been waiting for this for a while and I have to say I'm quite excited by the PSP for the rest of the year. Some great games coming, and with this redesign alongside it could really give the machine a new lease of life. Got rid of my original PSP a few years ago now and I've been waiting to buy a new one for a good while now. I'll definitely be getting one at launch.
Daft Posted June 2, 2009 Author Posted June 2, 2009 Trophies confirmed? http://babelfish.yahoo.com/translate_url?doit=done&tt=url&intl=1&fr=bf-home&trurl=http://ps3hype.nl/nieuws/3344-trophies-voor-psp&lp=nl_en&btnTrUrl=Translate
flameboy Posted June 2, 2009 Posted June 2, 2009 Trophies confirmed? http://babelfish.yahoo.com/translate_url?doit=done&tt=url&intl=1&fr=bf-home&trurl=http://ps3hype.nl/nieuws/3344-trophies-voor-psp&lp=nl_en&btnTrUrl=Translate Awesome if true and it should be! About time they added this feature...Is that Resistance Retribution? Or could it be a new Syphon Filter game?
Aimless Posted June 2, 2009 Posted June 2, 2009 It's probably just a SOCOM thing. If it were a game less likely to award you badges or medals for in-game accomplishments then I might side with the Trophy theory — I'm fairly certain it'll happen at some point — but as is I'll say this is part of a game specific reward system and nothing more.
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