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Sometimes when I go from the main site(clicking on Forum from there) rather than direct to n.europe.com/forum it doesn't remember me staying logged in. Not sure why it does it but I tend to just re-log-in if it's truly logged me out or just close the tab and type the direct address in the other one. Never bothered me enough to otherwise complain.

For people wbho want it like that they'll probably pre-order to gauratnee their stockl. I'm just talking if stock's a bit cautious and someone goes in after release to buy it on a whim(likely to be me) - if you've waited this long I don't think finding it sold out IF you know you could reserve one for the coming days will really affect/lose sales. Ofc the risk is if they really undershoot and demand for some reason goes wild. I worked in GAME when the PS2 slim came out - they really didn't expect it to go as hard as it did(though was also in festive season iirc). We wouldn't let many people pre-order for upcoming stock post release iirc; and had to tell people to just call up and come into the store etc. It was quite a madness, but definitely a good experience for seeing console supply/demand - I'm pretty sure I did in such instance sell an Xbox or two in the PS2's place(and ironically bought one, too) so I sort of contravene my own point in a way; but that was a small proportion of the actual demand.

USB-C? Can't say part of me didn't expect it, but I was really hoping they'd go with Micro-B given how common it is.

Oic @dazzybee! Tbh anybody manufacturing surely will have some lines set to meet demand if it runs short. I think back to when the ps2 slim came out around Xmas 2004(?) and ran dry almost everywhere, with stock trickling back in slowly. I don't think they prepped for such demand however if Nintendo go in cautious but optimistic with the switch they could address it as it comes. Aim low with a potential preparation to do better and work it from there. Still I don't think this will be an immediate sellout/fly off the shelves sort of product - but I might be entirely missing the good faith of the handheld market in that too.

'Have to sell'...for what? Isn't it just their projected expectation? Why would they HAVE to sell anything? Like what's going to be the consequence either way? I mean other than a bust/failed product. Not sure how many people go into business with a new product without a projected expectation of performance - you surely need it to base anything off of? I actually think that if they get the Jan conf nailed in addition to the public hands-on's and the fact the system has a portable aspect to sell itself with via exposure that they could easily exceed 2mil WW by Xmas. As I said previously and in line with the above I think they're hopefully just learning from the Wii U and not going too crazy in their expectations. I think a 2mil figure is fairly solid to balance between supply and demand - and hopefully if they are going conservative they're aware of the need to re-supply as fast as possible. If you go in to a shop to buy a Switch and get told it's only 2-3 days more when you've already waited months surely it won't hurt you too much?

As ever, sharing much a sentiment with you man. I've already been considering the whole 'its a home console' thing more a piece of marketing than their actual vision; to now say they're worried that allowing static actual home console implementations will confuse their message totally goes against that for me. I just don't feel like I can fully trust the message they try to put out and what they say; and that's why I'm probably going to continue to be somewhat apprehensive and sceptical about this machine until I see far far more about it. I want to be leaf, but I just don't think the faith is in me any more

So I'm just gonna leave that here in the middle of an argument that pretty much looks to me that you're actually 'arguing' the same point

Loved the idea of Costume Quest - but could never play it well on my bloody PC! Glad to see CQ2 come as a Plus game as I might actually manage to play it through like this! Is it still Halloween themed(literally know nothing about it)? Woulda made more sense to have been just this month gone if halloweeny, but not gonna complain nonetheless. Not fussed about anything else though.

Yep definitely seems interesting. Also are these generally supposed to be wired with the cables showing at the top? Expected that Wireless pads wouldn't have cables showing really(unless it can do both, I guess?). I've already got 2 pads for my PS4 which is kinda enough as local experiences are few and far between(both for the console and general life tings) and when it comes down to really needing another I can usually find someone to bring an extra pad. Would def consider getting a 3rd party one depending on the price though - £15-30ish would be about right for me depending on the feels.

Very much with Flink on this. I can wait til January and tbh I'm glad to have a date so I can stop thinking/worrying about every little bit of it knowing that new stuff's coming. Also don't particularly care what they call it for the ultimate ends - home console, handheld, hybrid; whatevs - the functionality doesn't change. The only reason it bothers me is if it's for marketing reasons or they're trying to play an angle due to limitations. Now though I'm fairly happy - I've seen the 3 minute vid, know a little about it, and know that we'll get more info in a few months. No point bothering myself with too much worry until then, though ofc I'll still be on here discussing and speculating :p

Yep pure speculation on my part as @Ashley said - we won't be getting details like that until closer to/at the time I imagine. Just thinking though if you're gonna do a london event where would you go now? The Wii was at Bluewater(and I'd prefer if Switch was too) but that was before Stratford Westfield existed, I've noticed since that one or two national eventy things have taken Stratford Westfield as their location; whereas I think Oxford Street or Bluewater tended to be more common previously. I'm honestly hoping they throw a lot of budget behind this and do all 3. If they do a Bluewater date I can think of at least 5 people who'd be interested in coming along with me as it's just down the road; we're much less likely to do the same for Stratford(tho I probs would).

Think it's smart that they've announced a date for people to hold on to rather than endless wondering and speculation going forward. Live conference may be a good way to do it, but the bit about public hands-ons are what interest me. The Wii got a lot of roadshows in its run-up, and I'm definitely still enough on the fence to want to possibly get my hands on the thing before I think further about buying it. Just hope they have one more local to me than Westfield(unlikely).

Well for a start £250 to £350 is an extra £100, rather than £50 - and all of those add up. If your mark for this is £200-250 then £300-350 can be quite a difference, even spread across 4 years. Especially if you're unsure whether it'll offer you continued value for said 4 years. #WiiU

£350 is well beyond the mark for me, as it means this system is unlikely to see my more comfortable £200-250 within at least a number of years; by which time it probably won't be as relevant. Makes me actually wonder if this is why they're holding out until after christmas for more price/details; hoping some xmas folks will hold on to monies and then be prepared to wait longer afterwards. If this comes out at £350 however I think I'd genuinely consider something else that is on the market unless this is shown to be absolutely on par in terms of online features and content. Free online could tempt me as it'd save £30-40 a year, and I could factor that in, but I still feel like I'd need to wait and see a lot more of the system before jumping in on that.

This is what annoys me. They slowly but surely achieve good sales - just imagine what they could do if they actually managed to have a console that actually gets a decent level of uptake. Less than 5 million for Splatoon is criminal - despite all the online criticisms that could be thrown at it the general gameplay itself was rather unique and refreshing; massive shame it's not an experience that made it into more people's hands.

Yeah I'd imagine they go for their own file system just to add layers of security to it. Don't see how having a proprietary format card itself would necessarily offer any speed/technical advantage though - surely that'd be adopting some potential new tech in place of the common but apparently well-enough functioning SD card/USB/flash storage tech that's so ubiquitous now.

You didn't actually re-read the other bolded part, did you? :p

Offer 50-90% off BotW digital download on Switch to any WiiU purchasers - 30% isn't enough. 50% minimum. Get it somewhere between £5-20 as an extra cost to have it on your Switch and I think many people will get tempted by taking up the Switch and buying the game digitally for it at that price. Who's going to spend £40+ on it on the WiiU and then spend another £20+ to get it on the Switch? Make it cheap enough and you might actually tempt some of the BotW/WiiU returners who are dusting off their consoles to....make the Switch.

That surely can't be right :p I'm with you on that. I did know I was eventually going to buy a WiiU anyway but I didn't on launch and then around March/April 2013 iirc HMV and a few other stores started their clearout - I got the WiiU with Nintendoland+ZombiU for £200 just, what, 6 months after launch? If they price the system too high they run the risk of running into that same situation again. Retailers buying in then not being able to sell the thing; and resorting to clearing out. I'd wonder how much goodwill there still is with retailers after the WiiU, and how much they can afford to take big risks with the price.

I was gonna say that I think the issue is calibration etc. though I guess the PS4 pad manages it ok? I haven't used the pad for much motion stuff barring maybe Flow and the keyboard(even then I find it fiddly). Personally I think for unity of experience that if it's a touch thing on the go then it should have an equivalent touch thing at home - none of this pointer style substitution.

£200-250 for me. £300 with two games at a push if it's somehow exceptionally on form and matching everything else on the market in the majority of ways. Honestly I do think if I had a choice between £300 for this or £150-£200 for another PS4 I'd opt for the latter as it's giving me enough content to keep me happy I'd probably just like to have it for putting in another room etc. I also think we'll get both kinds of games. As Blade mentioned the marketing is that it's a home console you can take on the go - but I honestly think a big part of that is just marketing and they have to focus on it 'as a home console first'. Whatever may be said about Nintendo - they're certainly prone to being very resolute and arguably stubborn on their image and marketing.

Doesn't make the most sense if said developers don't agree with the approach and want to talk about their own products sooner rather than later though - subsequently also consider what might it do for future relations?

The idea's certainly interesting with enough possible truths but it does seem a bit bizarre - having it on the bottom of the controller for example. I also don't see why they can't just put(as someone mentioned) a PS4-style middle pad in the middle of the controller for docked mode and just use that as a touch screen - with visual feedback on the main screen in the way of some sort of indicator - exactly the same thing you'd have to have with a pointer anyway. Seems a simpler and more sensible implementation than a pointer system which will have to involve re-orientating the controllers to use the pointer.

Yeah sort of essentially. I'm just saying it's not an officially supported means - and some people don't like that. There's loads of 3rd party mains adapters out there too for if yours breaks - but again some people don't like that and will only go official for a replacement. I'd be fairly sure that using them and/or a usb charge cable with your 3DS could technically be warranty invalidating(but Nintendo would theoretically never know). As you mention too - some people don't like proprietary connectors. I don't think people having a preference for officially supported things only makes them 'moaners' nor 'annoyed'(again words I didn't even use), but I know some people who have that preference - and as I said especially more so when it comes to power supply/charging options. One notable example I can think of re: wanting official was when Smash U came out and the gamecube adapter was hard to get hold of. Even after Mayflash came onto the market with their own functioning 3rd party one due to the shortages there were very many people(at least in SmashUK and a few people I met at Smash events) who held out and went without an adapter at all or paid well over the odds in order to try and obtain the official one. Some people mind; that was all my point was. Not everyone, not no one, just some people out there do. The standardisation to USB as you mention avoids a lot of the above, as well as having to actually get another cable(regardless of how cheap it may be); I'd welcome it now mostly because micro-USB has become so standard across the board, it just sort of makes common sense.