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So...were you in this thread the other week at all :p? Hey now, bob didn't mention any names! Besides which you only help illustrate the point - Emily too is supposedly even more in the know than yourself(albeit apparently far more accurate too) - that's exactly the point. Everyone claims to be right and confident and then they're wrong! It heavily discredits said people for the future. Even a broken clock is right twice a day. I'm hoping that as someone suggested earlier this mini-reveal will allow 3rd parties to open up and talk. I think having the news come from more sources from just Ninty and especially 3rd parties will be good for some of the NX's image. Just hope there's more than Ubisoft on board!

Maybe it'll just be 3 minutes focusing on the detachable controllers so we don't get confused about what it is or anything...

She's been a video games journalist for quite a while - wrote a number of pretty comprehensive good read articles on Not Enough Shaders(NES) then went off to do her own thing on what I thought was her own site(Dromble) either before or after trying to leave video games journalism to help indies or something(obvs didn't work out as she came back to writing). Not sure who she writes for now(think just her own WP blog), but her articles were as I said usually quite a good read for some of Nintendo's histories. Given the nature of her articles and having seen her about a few times I give her a bit more credence than most other speculators - but I still take it all with a rather large pinch of salt. I much prefer when she sticks to writing stuff. Same - wondering if this might just be a quick teaser trailer for a more official/fuller reveal and they're doing it to get some hype and awareness up and out there - many people may have stopped caring by this point and they'll wanna try and build that back up a bit if so.

Shut up @Dr\. bob! It's just a bloody word! Is it a london thing? I wanted to say it's a london thing but I don't actually think it is. I don't know. ANYWAY. Good points actually - but if it's a strategy they specifically go for to avoid risk of losing money on unsold units, surely that's something that can be sold to the board? Also as I said I'm not talking like long term years or anything, just maybe first few months. You aren't trying to capture a particular buying season so I can't see a downside to it. I'm not saying it's definitely sensible, but I just can't see the major downsides - I'm not sure if shareholder/shareprice is going to matter enough in the short-ish period I'm thinking. Oh yeah, I don't disagree they need to push hard at some point. I'm just saying a cautious launch could save them some monies on avoiding over-manufacture of stock from the get go. Significantly overshooting incurs higher costs both for the manufacture(components/tech/price falling over time) and having stale stock about. I still think it's a mistake probably made with the WiiU(though I have no way of knowing) and if it is one maybe it's something they've considered and want to try and approach differently this time? I'm also not suggesting a stutter - I'm saying release cautiously with a view to meet higher demand if it's there. If it isn't there they risk losing money as above. If it IS there - well, they can meet it or possibly run a little short of it; how damaging will running a little short really cost them? Will someone decide not to buy an NX just because it wasn't there the one day they wanted after they've already waited all this time? Price, ofc, factors into that decision and it's one that none of us know yet. A stutter could happen regardless of their supply plans - if the demand isn't there(similar arguably to Wii U) it'll stutter regardless. Hyping it and making the thing do well CAN come later. It doesn't have to be on launch. Showing that the console is hot property, too, can come later - and again as a portable I think it'll start doing that to an extent by itself and begin selling itself with that.

They wanted to - but how did it work for them! They had to cut it later! I don't see any problem with spending a few months being cautious on the manufacturing until you've got an idea of what demand's looking like. I wish I could know but with their forecasts and predictions I've always wondered if they over manufactured WiiUs for demand and ended up paying a price for that. I say don't make NX too hype, don't overshoot expectations, go easy and cautious and then build from there. If you aren't releasing for a holiday/spending season then I don't see the need to push too hard for the launch. I know it seems counter-intuitive and in my mind I even still feel that, but I can't see too many downsides to it as I think about it now.

I think your posts have finally sold me on it H-o-T, though like Guy I'll not pick it up until after OW's Halloween stuff's done. Shame about the battle system and things(not having a full/proper levelling system does make it seem like it's a bit redundant for the style) but most else sounds like it's been on point for you so I think I'll give this a go with the hope it takes me back to the good old days! At worst it'll just take me back to Sticker Start, which in itself was still a decent outing

Why not though? What do they lose with the approach I mention in my post? I can't see too much of a downside(I'm assuming a March/non-holiday release). What difference does it make selling well form the start, to good over the lifetime - didn't PS3 do this, though for different reasons? Look at it this way - they've still got a core group of consumers. Sure, that's core's probably shrunk, but they've still got some guaranteed buyers out there and some fence-y maybes. Come out cautious so you don't risk losing money(higher manufacturing cost, storage cost of unsold units etc) with a plan to ramp up if demand is there and respond as appropriate. Don't forget the other good thing about this system(if the rumours are true) - it's portable. It won't JUST be sitting in living rooms; it'll actually be getting out there in the big wider world. Non-owners are likely to encounter it via the owners. It has that benefit to it that it may start to sell itself slowly over time by people actually seeing it - I don't doubt a number of portable systems have sold to people who've learnt about them from another existing owner of said system. Think about local multiplayer experiences with that(for example Mario Party single-cart 4 player download has been mentioned in the favourite marios thread) - this system could take the previous successes of the handheld and build upon it!

I thought there's known bad blood between Rockstar and Nintendo from quite back in the day? Not sure why I think it, but I'll look into it in a sec! EDIT: Nope, can't find anything with some quick searching. Must have made it up! Anyway - got thinking with a bit of a business flip; what if Nintendo don't want it to be too big off the bat? What if they're going to go cautious into the market after the WiiU? I'm still convinced they overmanufactured for their demand there and, if so, maybe it makes sense to try and go softly into the market and see what the demand is like? Of course, hype it too much and you can't keep up with stock and piss people off, hype it too little and you won't sell anything straight away; but can't you do a marketing push of sort of soft launch for the product after its actual release? Without a holiday season release there's really not any reason I can see to want to smash it right out of the gate.

That's certainly one of my concerns. Again, echo chambers and whatnot but think of how many people here got a WiiU on launch(or even got a WiiU at all) and ask if they'd still buy on launch or even think they'll commit to the system? Whilst I didn't get a Wii U on launch I knew I would eventually - I genuinely don't know how I feel about the NX now though and I can't say it's something that I'm thinking I'll definitely be getting. Of course that, again, is not helped by the fact we don't have anything official.

(Dammit guys! As I said in the other thread I acknowledge there's an issue at hand here but just because you've been asked not to push it in there doesn't mean you should come do it here! I don't mod here(yet, but if you keep this up I'll ask for it!) and the good-natured humour is a fair relief for you with the last day or two but please still be mindful of yourselves. It's quite clear when you're trying to have a dig so just ask yourself next time before hitting the button - is posting that going to make things better or worse for the forum?) Tbh this was more my original expectation of the NX, and though I've gone more to the rumours King_V posted in the other thread being true of it being more of a portable first with a dongle, I'd quite like the idea of having a machine that's maybe a bit more beast at home/in dock mode but still good enough to run as a handheld. The one thing I *don't* want - a gimped handheld experience. I want to have a full choice for the game I'm playing whether it's on the go or on the TV and the essential experience not being different between the two. I don't mind if they do specific home/handheld things that functionally make sense, but I don't want to feel like something's gotta give for the handheld experience except maybe graphics. EDIT: Just thinking thought @kav82 - if it IS a single system rather than two parts; it means you could have voice chat/online on the handheld wherever you are, surely? Ofc I've already said I'd like a robust online system on par with the competition - I'd not mind forgoing the functionality on the handheld portion IF we get it at home with the dock BUT the idea of a handheld with the same full capabilities on the go are interesting to consider too!

I'm already late to a thing - but can we keep it civil and NX/at least gaming related please and not about forum issues? I acknowledge there's an issue here but I don't want to see this thread in a day or two just full up with that. PM/visitor wall me for now and I'll get to it when I can. Admittedly I'm close to PM limit too but if you can't send a message just save it and write on my wall to say you wanna PM me.

Again - what if their current/recent strategies(ie the Wii U) are already causing damage in the long run? I feel like legacies are too often overlooked when it comes to people looking at/discussing new systems. The reason they've got the uphill isn't just the NX being a new product, it's also to do with the foundations laid for it by what's come before. What a delighfully well constructed counter-argument there. Seriously, I'd have thought you'd have learn to elaborate in your posts after the recent issue. Exactly WHY wouldn't it work? Again I know we're not representative but just look at how many people here started with a Wii U then later got a PS4 because they just weren't getting enough of their gaming fix. You think they'd have bothered moving on to PS4 if they were getting all those experiences plus what they were getting on their Wii U??

For me it's gotta be; Brawl - whilst I loved and macked out both the original(even though I didn't own it) and the GC version(launch title for my GC) it was probably Brawl that really really did it for me. I didn't think anything could match nor top Melee, but Brawl really did just about manage it. Obvs I understand the varying appreciations from the more competitive sides but Brawl was the game that I both really looked forward to, but also the game that brought me and three of my now best friends together to be 4 Smash Brothers. Whilst I was friends with them all already, it brought them together with each other and probably really helped solidify another one of my current best-friendships to date. Party(the original) - my sister bought this whilst she was at uni for her own(later adopted to the family one) N64 - we/I had some really good times with this game when she was back at home. Really really enjoyed it at the time. Wore off most of my palms after a while though. Kart - Maybe MKDS for WifiKarts/league/pre-cursor to me joining this place(always have to put a shout out to @Charlie for that) - otherwise on the local experience etc there was something fresh but still frantic about double-dash that we enjoyed on many occasion; though nothing will ever match MK64's battle mode on the whole for me. Sports - wasn't in original spec but seeing as Cube mentioned it I'll probably go for the same title as I believe it's the only Mario sports game I ever purchased/played - Mario Strikers Charged. Never been a big footie fan(don't dislike it, just only bother a little bit at national stuff) but I enjoyed Strikers after playing at a mates, and finding it was a beautiful combination between both the beautiful game itself, but also at the same time still being absolutely Mario in its whole design.

Could the same not be(as Ashley's touched on) applied to the Wii U and if yes, then why does it not actually feel as if that was just fine?

Always interested in stuff like this Kav! How old are the kids? Do you know why they wanted to play? Do you know why they actually preferred the stuff they went back to? One thing I'd be really interested in is where/how their gaming path started and what their favourite games might be. Ofc this is just if you know, no need to go interviewing your other half's kids lol. (Even as I started reading your post I was gonna ask why does Nintendo appeal to them - assuming it wasn't going to end as it did. Maybe I'm just as bad as them assuming the appeal will be to kids)

Definitely agree. They need to play safe and just take a hit, to get themselves built back up to a point. They had tons in the coffers from the Wii - and they probably blew such a chunk of it on the WiiU - playing wild hoping to repeat the flash in the pan that the Wii was. They got cocky and they paid a price. Hell, they still to date imo haven't even supported their own product the Wii U with enough of the asymmetrical gaming experiences that I felt they really promised for it's approach as a system. I'm not sure marketing to casuals is the thing though. Ongoing 3DS owners, maybe. Casuals, not so much. Many casuals have moved on from Wii/DS to mobile etc; they don't strike me(if they're truly casual) to drop dime on a gaming system and the price that the games come in at for it. Ofc if they captured that market before with the DS they may manage to capture it again if they do it absolutely right, but I just think with the state of everything right now less people than we think might come back.

Well you were saying how he's pretty old....

Hero-of-Time, but not the mornings :p? Got super de ja vu/confused reading your post right after liger's! I'm absolutely in agreement on the price though(said a few times already) - they can't possibly expect to exceed the competition prices without having some very good selling point. For me atm that'd be the handheld/home console 2-for-1 nature but I just don't have faith in them to manage to get that point across well enough given the majority of their marketing in the last two consoles.

Would prefer to have new content than remasters but a lot of the top part of that list is very interesting!

Imo they wanna not break a fiver. There's something about something being less than a fiver that gives it a slight edge in people's minds I think. 'Ah well it isn't even a fiver' that sort of thing - I'd say £3-£4 is actually a really nice pricing point for it that I think'll get a good balance of sales to the price.

Damn it, at first I hadn't seen the 'not' in your posts and I was going to say that I also heard it at GAME...

Resorting to name calling like that does nothing to help it either, but I can't deal with this too much right now. Next time get in touch with a mod etc if you've got an issue. I've edited the posts which is about as much as I can do right now, points made and seen. Now let's carry on and keep it civil please. For you, I'll say that you'd do well to learn your lesson and not let it happen again; you can't behave like that then just cry 'oh noes im sorry' every time you get called out. I'm sure some would agree that this isn't exactly new behaviour. Besides which it wasn't even just one post - you repeatedly did it in the face of other people's posts. You've either got to be seriously clueless, or seriously arrogant - take your pick. --------------------------------- Hell, you haven't even made it the whole bloody week either, and now because everyone's made it so serious and you've already backpeddalled I don't even get the joy of telling you how wrong you might be too. Fun totally ruined. If anything does come this week and you dare to smug about it after, I'm personally letting the (civil) fury of the thread have you like a piece of meat to the (relatively civil) sharks. Think maybe Nemo/Dory level of Sharks. Those are the kind of sharks I would like the rest of you to try and be.

I see. It's certainly starting to ramp up - died twice earlier though can't really think why(wasn't giving play my full thought arguably). Does it matter what kind of egg you use to boost what kind of monster? I got some sort of HP bonus for a boost earlier and I presumed it was just a bit random but haven't really got enough to play about with to tell. Also so far I've tended to come across all side-questy items I needed in a silver chest or so as I played through, but I'm sure I've somehow missed one for a guy and I can't figure out how that happened. Will look into it in a bit more detail next time I go back to town and actually remember to do so. Slightly regretting all my dragon evolutionary choices now too - didn't give their specials much consideration and they're basically just type boosts; not really all that when you're playing with a balanced team and feel it isn't worth the SP -.-