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Is everything truly so black and white in your world to be all or nothing?

Enough to tempt back old schoolers @Goron_3 or @Cube? Might have to brush up on Splatooning this week.

Won't be able to do the NX competition thing - some work's come up tomorrow and I need teh monies. If I miss tomorrow's Sunday are there others we can get involved in? Is there a sign-up deadline?

I thought it was fairly clear he was seeming to suggest owners of other Nintendo hardware?

I dunno, I think there's some joy in making something like that but leaving enough for the smarter people to see it's fake whilst those who wanna get wrapped in hype get carried away. As I said - who launches a console on a Saturday, as said there's the link structure, why also snapped in French? I mean they could be coincidences and just a terrible effort at a shop, but I'd like to think someone did it trying not to necessarily get 100% accuracy.

Also who the hell releases a console on a Saturday...?!

Depends where that's from - a quick google for news doesn't seem to turn up any places reporting the story; which would make me wonder how verifiable that was. Could surely just be a hoax?

Tbh I think you guys are overthinking it and the importance of this. We can see it's a small(ish) game that probably hasn't required too much in the way of resources. I don't imagine they're planning to make millions on this(though they may) - but rather just put it out there and test the waters.There is of course added benefits such as the marketing/advertising aspect of it that Ashley mentions, but I think this is Nintendo finally taking some steps out of their comfort zones and trying new things to see how they go.

Sony have been doing tricks like this since Nintendo were too - PSOne, PS2 Slim, PS3 Slim - sure they've added some extra functionality with this but a completely optional one for those that want it. I don't see it much different to offering a smaller model, or bigger storage, and things such as that. I honestly just see a lot of it as evergreening to present an existing product in a slightly different form or functionality that's mostly optional to keep margins up. Curious what the Blu-ray usage is on the PS4. As much as we talk about the need for UHD, if current Blu-ray usage is low, a format that has had enough time to 'solidify' by now, would there be much justification to include a new one for what might be a minority of people but at a cost to all? Tbh I mostly agree with them. I stream almost everything. As said I barely buy DVDs/Blu-Rays due to technology and the ability to stream - it's just cleaner and easier and much much lazier, lol. I think they're right in making the decision to forego UHD if it was going to add an unnecessary excessive cost to everyone who probably doesn't care for it. Sure they *may* lose a sale or two from it, but I'd be willing to bet they'd still make three or four against it with the pricing point for those that want the system. Think also that tech's moving fast - you add your UHD drive right now but what if it doesn't really saturate - it could be dead in a year or two and that strikes me as a silly risk to take. As you say - how much blu-ray usage is there even on PS4? Hell, how many people do you know who actually don't even have blu-ray players or blu-rays? I can think of a few I think. DVDs are still common and abundant, and it's because whilst blu-ray took off to a point, it simply just wasn't as widely adopted so as to replace the DVD format.

By Nintendo's own admission, Online is the air they breathe, they're going to learn from their mistakes, we won't see any droughts, Breath of the Wild is a 2015 release...etcetc. I'm of the opinion now to take anything and everything they say with a pinch of salt. As silly as some of their decisions and actions seem, they're still no fools and they have a sense of PR. Just take all of it with a pinch of salt I say. To pretend news of other consoles isn't in any way going to impact would be foolish really imo, even if it's just taking up media space. In what sense? Attach rates? Console sales? Zelda isn't going to be a system seller because the NX is already in a hole of sorts due to its predecessors and Nintendo's ongoing decisions. It's already got to fight against those, with the added 'disadvantage' that many people who are likely to buy Zelda already have a WiiU compared to people without a WiiU prepared to buy a new system just to play it. All of this however depends on the value and features the system itself offers, rather than Zelda per se - I think anyone that might pick up an NX will pick up Zelda because it's there and they're into Nintendo for a reason, but the correlation is not necessarily a causation.

I think @Happenstance made the joke a little earlier!

I think they've streamed it just to get info out there and because in the modern day and age it's expected. How many people would be left wondering if there hadn't been a stream available to them and they were just getting info from other sources, and how many more questions would there be knocking about? Anyway I'm absolute ditto with you for the bolded - not a tech head on this level at all. I barely buy DVDs, let alone Blu-Rays and let alone 4k ones. Still use a rock bottom priced shit brand TV and an old Samsung for my PS4 and have no real issues with either for it. I reckon they won't go crazy on their initial manufacturing for this - I think it's more niche than some realise. Having said that my mate has just managed to finally get himself a job and was saying he wants to get a the PS4-Pro but that was before the announcement - I wonder how he'll feel about the lack of 4k BR drive. Tbh I was asking why even bother - sure some of the new games might be nice but does it matter that much?? Having said that I imagine I'll definitely be popping round to have a see how it looks at some point if he does get it On the whole I have no issue with the PS4-Pro - it's an option for people. Nice option to have for those who want it, absolutely no big issue for the rest of us right now. My bigger issue is probably pricing of the PS4 slim! Talk about evergreening. Should be good prices on the old models as a result though, shame they'll eventually get phased out, as I think I still prefer the look of my current white one against that. Also echo someone's earlier sentiments - where/how do you upgrade the hard drive on them?? I haven't got an answer - but I imagine it's simply a price/cost thing. Messaged my aforementioned mate - 'So Ps4Pro doesn't have a 4k BR drive. What's your opinion as someone interested in it' He came back quite simply 'I weren't bothered by 4k optical it was the 4k gaming I wanted'. So it seems, unless he's just a very special weird/unique case, there is still going to be a market of people out there who are happy enough with it. I'd also wonder - how many people with 4k TVs already are likely to already have a 4k BR player? I don't know much about the tech or the market - what much else is there to be having with your 4k TVs?

Some will say it's the wrong way. I had something similar and I can't remember when it became an issue but I was used to default, non-inverted, then probs due to a game that defaulted to inverted/gave me no choice I ended up on the latter. Or the other way round. I'm not sure. Something makes me think of Goldeneye. Anyway we're talking about the particulars of video games control styles in a relationship thread, I think that really shows how awesome we are. (for the record, it's very awesome, I ain't gonna take no girl that don't know her way round a gamepad)

...yeah, I'm a bloody idiot. Maybe don't have me in your team, guys!

You guys are fucking weird. She's a keeper, Shorty. #Inverted4lyfe

As you said, as was said, XBone apparently doing better than 360 was at this point is good. However on the whole there's definitely been a flip of balance between PS4/XBone this gen compared to 360/PS3 before. I think Microsoft have done well, but I don't know if I'd say turned it around - but they're by no means doing absolutely terribly or anything. Just Sony's doing exceptionally well(similarly, we wouldn't neccessarily have said PS3/360 were doing bad just because Wii was smashing it). EDIT: Also, stop 'dictating' conversations @Ronnie. You've in the past told people to not post because a topic/discussion is gone, and you counter people's points by saying 'we were talking about this, not that!' - this is an open forum of open discussion; just because it isn't what suits YOU does not mean other people can't mention or talk about it. The main reason I say to stop doing this - it then becomes a back and forth of someone else telling you what you're talking about(yes, I've just recently done this myself, as a piece of advice clearly ignored) and then an argument of semantics of the discussion rather than an actual discussion and progression of the topic at hand.

Dammit @S\.C\.G - I was just coming in here(for a reason I'm not sure, it only just occured to me) to make a Spla2n/Splatwoon joke! Is that also just like a single NX for the whole team(also irony in offering a prize of a console that's not even officially been revealed/announced yet) but damn if it doesn't make me wonder if we should get a little crew together for it...

I'm of the opinion they really shot themselves in the foot with it all, and Sony swooped in(alongside their own USPs and functionality) - I guess though as H-o-T says if they're doing better than 360 was that's something to take merit in(though again, I insist that much PS3/360 work went on to sell XBones/PS4s). Nintendo are going to be suffering somewhat off of that themselves depending on the Wii/U/3DS markets and what's left of them.

Not sure how it compares to elsewhere but Amazon currently selling Sony-Refurbed 500GB PS4s for £200(apparently comes with 12 month warranty) - in both black and white. Was a 'daily deal' yesterday but still seems to be going; not sure if it's applicable to many here as I think many already have PS4s but may be worth it to anyone you know looking for one! Of course may alternatively be worth taking a punt on waiting til after the Neo's revealed as you might get similar prices after then anyhow. https://www.amazon.co.uk/Sony-PlayStation-500GB-Certified-Refurbished/dp/B01HPPC2F8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1473162809&sr=8-1&keywords=ps4+refurbished https://www.amazon.co.uk/Sony-PlayStation-500GB-Certified-Refurbished/dp/B01HT9S1NM/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1473162809&sr=8-2&keywords=ps4+refurbished

Big clincher for me too in addition to other online/social features. I agree with Clownferret- I think it needs a Direct AND a show/event of some sort - need to get it into people's hands somehow to then get more objective views on it. I'd be more sceptical otherwise.

I mostly came in wanting to see/post one of those There's your celebrity adverts, @kav82! I think the bread and butter ones were probably the worst.

I'm similar in a sense but I also don't feel Nintendo's prices tend to offer much value over physical - more often than not I can purchase a physical theoretically forever copy of a game for cheaper than I can get it digitally. I often don't doing down the digital route as a result. However with other systems I've tended to buy digital usually due to good bargains/offers/discounts etc that make it more worth my while. Whilst I didn't have external storage for my Wii U I am already planning to upgrade my PS4's storage(more so for installed disc games than downloaded) - though one plus point of that is that I still get 500GB back out of it too.

Whilst true - don't most these days emulate the internal storage as external storage and you can't actually neccessarily run much off said actual external storage ie SD cards? Admittedly I'm still rocking an S3 mini but most things can't be installed to the actual SD card like I used to with my older phones. I generally end up juggling apps into the 8GB these days. Now consider downloadable games etc - how quick can one fill up a 32GB, especially if as someone suggested, if GC games come to it in addition to the bits used for everything else?

Don't PC game due to crap computers and generally just using a linux laptop - I'd be getting it on ze PS4s!

No, you aren't. _________________________ Anyhoo - put me in the camp of wanting at least 64GB minimum(from a general sense PoV). If games are on cartridges then at least that's one thing and doesn't need to take up much space outside of patches etc - but I think 64GB would be suitable starting amount(with some SD expansion) to be going along with downloadable titles etc. I think for a handheld-capable machine downloadables have more of an appeal due to the lack of need to carry round lots of cartridges with you etc. As for the comparison to phones - call me sceptical but I'd daresay they keep memory amounts down there not just to cut the tiny costs of it, but also to make it more likely for you to upgrade the phone sooner as apps evolve and start to get bigger and more used etc. Also as a games console it's going to be having things much bigger than your everyday phone app.