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  King_V said:
The main thought going through my head while watching that was "cry me a river"

 

In fairness at any given time 82% of the world's population is thinking about that classic Justin Timberlake song.

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  Hero-of-Time said:
Colin is right.

 

 

I found it very hard to disagree with anything in this video.

 

However, surely Skyrim is the remastered version? It must be out for launch, too?

 

I'm getting WiiU vibes from the Switch and I'm not desperate enough to slap down £300+ on something that may get sub-18-months playtime.

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  dazzybee said:
I'm not on about his content, though I do dispute a lot. But am I the only one who really doesn't like the guy, never has, he comes a less so obnoxious and superior, and he's terrible at these videos. Not natural at all, clearly reading a script. All the other guys are decent, but he makes me wince.

 

Dude, you keep bringing this up when a video with him is posted. Why do you keep watching him if you can't stand him? You're just asking to be annoyed. :D

 

He does this format to give it a more structured approach. His banter on Kinda Funny and PS I Love You is more natural.

 

  Fierce_LiNk said:
I'm getting WiiU vibes from the Switch and I'm not desperate enough to slap down £300+ on something that may get sub-18-months playtime.

 

To be honest, with every day that passes I lose more and more interest in the thing. I keep trying to get excited about it but every time I try there's some other bit of news that comes out that makes me think just what the hell are they doing?

 

There's only Zelda I'm interested in, now that Bomberman has been priced out of the equation. The likes of 1 2 Switch and that cutting game are useless to me due to my lack of local co-op options. This leaves me sat waiting for ARMS and the Splatoon in the Summer. I'd probably have Zelda done in a weekend, especially if I take the launch day off, so the console would just be sat there gathering dust until the next release, which would be mid April.

 

I woke up this morning to find that there will be no video streaming services on the Switch, at least for the foreseeable future. Crazy. Granted, a lot of devices already have this but it's nice and convenient to have these things on a device that you are playing.

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  Hero-of-Time said:

I woke up this morning to find that there will be no video streaming services on the Switch, at least for the foreseeable future. Crazy. Granted, a lot of devices already have this but it's nice and convenient to have these things on a device that you are playing.

 

Must have missed this. That's pretty much me out untill it's much cheaper. I did want to use it as a tablet lite, as I didn't really have a use for a full tablet, but wanted a decent Netflix/YouTube screen to watch in bed.

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  Hero-of-Time said:
Dude, you keep bringing this up when a video with him is posted. Why do you keep watching him if you can't stand him? You're just asking to be annoyed. :D

 

He does this format to give it a more structured approach. His banter on Kinda Funny and PS I Love You is more natural.

 

haha, have I said it before? :D The thing is, his content is actually good, I think I'd enjoy reading him more.

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  dazzybee said:
haha, have I said it before? :D The thing is, his content is actually good, I think I'd enjoy reading him more.

 

Haha. I think it was in the podcast thread at one point. You're getting forgetful in your old age. :D

 

  Goafer said:
Must have missed this. That's pretty much me out until it's much cheaper. I did want to use it as a tablet lite, as I didn't really have a use for a full tablet, but wanted a decent Netflix/YouTube screen to watch in bed.

 

There's a hefty topic of Gaf discussing how not having these features hurts the consoles image and chances. One of the members wrote a fantastic post.

 

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I'll be honest here, the likelyhood that I'd use Netflix on the Switch is extremely low. However, that's because I'm going to use it on my PS4 that also has Crunchyroll, Amazon Prime, Hulu, Crackle and it's own Sony media store. It's just easier.

 

That said, it never had to be that way. For a long time I was running Windows Media Center to my TV, with launchers for Hulu, XBMC and a host of others for all my media needs. The DRM race began, plugins started getting broken for weeks at a time as Hulu and others tried to stay ahead of the people making the plugins, Microsoft abandoned Windows Media Center and now none of it ever worked as well as it did. So XBMC on my TV has all my media and all my streaming media's done through my PS4.

 

Which brings me to the PS4, which also never had to be that way. Microsoft was well ahead of them in that space and Sony could have looked at Microsoft and said "we'll never match what Microsoft's doing, lets not bother," but they did and because they did I use the console almost every day. More than my PC and infinitely more than my Wii U.

 

Now to why that matters. First, psychologically, to me, using something every day imbues it with a sense of value. I'm much more likely to stay current on my PS Plus subscription for a device I use all the time versus something I sporadically use. Even if my online gaming was non-existent that month. Second, I know what was released and what was on sale because, well, why not check while before I log off for the night after watching Hulu? I can not tell you the amount of money I've spent buying a game I want that happened to be on sale that I didn't have time to play just because I saw it up there.

 

I know not everyone's like me. But everyone's also not like you. To me, there's not a chance in hell a Nintendo system could be my primary device. I mean, there is, but Nintendo's shown they have no desire to make a device that'd fill that role. But to someone else maybe these stupid media apps are what would decide whether it gets used every day or once every couple of months when the next Nintendo game is released. And that's huge because that incentivizes that person to stay current on their Nintendo Network payment, it means they have a higher chance to make impulse purchases on the eShop. It'd color their decision to pick up a multiplatform game on their Switch over another platform they may own because they use it often and like the convenience. All of these things impact one another. And the fact Nintendo's basically forfeiting that audience, not trying and failing to meet their expectations but flat out not bothering is telling.

 

As far as competition goes, you can't be number one by gunning for last. While the chances of them beating Microsoft and Sony in the console space are slim I think anyone will tell you that they have no chance to do so if they don't try, and, even if the goal is lofty the more effort put in should generally lead to greater success even if they don't come out number one. Right now I think Nintendo's mindset is downright toxic to their longevity and they should be called out on this shit.

 

And lastly, no, doing more doesn't take away from what it does. Nintendo allowing a media app isn't taking someone away from Fire Emblem or some shit.

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And lastly, no, doing more doesn't take away from what it does. Nintendo allowing a media app isn't taking someone away from Fire Emblem or some shit.

 

Amen to that. And to everything else in that post.

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  Hero-of-Time said:
Haha. I think it was in the podcast thread at one point. You're getting forgetful in your old age. :D

 

Tell me about it.... oh boy!! :D

 

I hope I forget the £509 I realised I've just spent on the switch launch plus the inevitable last minute bottle job I do on bomberman!!

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No Titanfall for you, @kav82.

 

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Mohammad Alavi: ...I was excited about it. Nintendo's been in such a niche market recently, catering to the handheld and the kids, they've been so underpowered that they don't have the support of the third parties because they're all making for the PC, Xbox One and PS4, and it's no different.

 

Micha: I am going to drink to it mainly because, I understand. It will be underpowered. I'm not going to be play Titanfall on it. Like, can you tell me?

 

Mohammad: Fuck no! No, you're not going to be able to fit Titanfall 2 on the Nintendo Switch.

 

After plenty of drinking, the designer is joking about the idea that you can fit the Titanfall 2 in a Nintendo Switch game card, one that can fit up to 25 GB of data. Titanfall 2 is 42 GB on the Xbox One, at least.

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  Choze said:
I still don't understand why some expect PS4 ports. The hardware was never designed around that. It's also quite under the level of a PS4. Closer to Vita.

 

Well, that it can run Unreal 4, you'd expect ports to be possible... scaled down, yes, but possible none-the-less.

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  Choze said:
So can the iPhone. :indeed: Does that mean you do it?

 

What about the vast vast majority of games that dont run on unreal? Its kind of crazy how the current Nintendo fans are.

 

I never that that they should or will do it, just said how they probably could.

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  Choze said:
So can the iPhone. :indeed: Does that mean you do it?

 

What about the vast vast majority of games that dont run on unreal? Its kind of crazy how the current Nintendo fans are.

 

...Are you implying that Kav is a typical Nintendo fanboy or something? In this forum, I'd say he's one of their biggest critics :heh:

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  Choze said:
People need to be abit more realistic with what to expect from the hardware. No signs of any PS4 ports for a reason.

 

Was it that unrealistic to expect something.. more modern? Remember we weren't completely sure it was a hybrid until recently. It wasn't that far-fetched to have hope it could compete in power to consoles that have already been out for three years.

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EA talks about Nintendo and the Switch.

 

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“I only spoke about FIFA today, but our company’s structure lets us release all sorts of games for every platform, so we’ll go wherever the gamers go. I think Nintendo Switch will put Nintendo at the forefront of the game industry once again. Their approach is quite different from anything they’ve done in the past – they’ve listened to EA, Activision, and other companies since the beginning of the Switch’s development, so we’ve been involved throughout the whole process. They teamed up with us because they wanted to guarantee the console would be successful. Doing business with Nintendo is very important for us… We’d like to bring more and more games over for everyone.”

 

Question is, did Nintendo put into practice the things they were told or suggested by these 3rd parties? Probably not.

 

It's the same old song and dance every time a new Nintendo platform launches. 3rd parties come out and say how excited they are for the console and how it will bring new and interesting things to the table but it very rarely works out.

 

I think the majority of 3rd party support will be from Japan. A lot of publishers still put games on the Vita and the Switch seems like the next best thing they could develop for once the Vita completely dies off. The Western developers is where I think they are going to struggle.

 

You look at the launch line up of games and it's not painting a good picture of western support for the Switch. There are no real big franchises from anyone. No CoD. No Battlefield. No Watch Dogs. What is on the table are games like Just Dance, Skylanders, Rayman Legends and Skyrim. While Skyrim can be seen as a big game, it's gonna be very late to the party once it arrives.

 

You also have things like Dragon Quest Heroes, where the Switch version looks like a massive downgrade compared to the PS4 game. It looks as though the Vita version is being the one ported. Dragonball Xenoverse 2 is another game that looks to be running a lot worse than what is on the other consoles. Granted, it's early days but when 3rd party games do come to the Switch they are going to be compared to what's already on the market, much like the console will be.

 

Comments from people like Mohammad Alavi ( Titanfall 2 designer ) saying that Titanfall 2 would never be on the Switch is not the only one to be making such claims. Randy Pitchford mentioned last week how Borderlands 3 probably wont be on the console either.

 

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This isn't the kind of stuff you want to be seeing when buying into a new console.

 

This year will possibly see the release of Red Dead Redemption 2 and Destiny 2. If released, these are probably going to be two of the biggest games of the year. Will the Switch get these? I'd be VERY surprised if they did. Both of these games have mass market appeal and if Nintendo once again misses out on such games then they will struggle, at least in the West.

 

The Switch is being marketed as a console you can take anywhere. Many are excited that they will get to play games on the go, but this only works if there are games to play. If Nintendo don't get the big hitters from 3rd parties, which in turn should help bring in the mass market gamers, then this is once again going to be a device that only appeals to a fast diminishing Nintendo fan base.

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But wasn't that always going to happen? Technically inferior ports? For me it was always technically superior vs home/portable play. I think it's a strong enough reason for it be a decision to make, likely on a case by case scenario. And although Skyrim a year later is Wii U all over again in some regards. At least the idea of portable Skyrim is a different proposition. If a big AAA game came out for the 3DS, even a year later, there'd be a lot of excitement about that I think; need to keep remembering that Switch is this too. I think it's all it has going for it with AAA 3rd parties if it gets them.

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  dazzybee said:
But wasn't that always going to happen? Technically inferior ports? For me it was always technically superior vs home/portable play. I think it's a strong enough reason for it be a decision to make, likely on a case by case scenario. And although Skyrim a year later is Wii U all over again in some regards. At least the idea of portable Skyrim is a different proposition. If a big AAA game came out for the 3DS, even a year later, there'd be a lot of excitement about that I think; need to keep remembering that Switch is this too. I think it's all it has going for it with AAA 3rd parties if it gets them.

 

This is where things are getting messy. If you class the Switch as a portable then it's a fantastic bit of kit. However, as a console it looks to be lacking and this is something that many will see it as, especially as this is how Nintendo are marketing it.

 

While having Skyrim on the go would be nice, it's going to have to launch at a budget price or it will bomb. I can't see it selling massively if it's not running well and sold at a high price, even if it is portable. Even the new remastered editions on the other consoles sold at a lower price, so having to pay more a year later won't sit well with a lot of people.

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  Hero-of-Time said:
This is where things are getting messy. If you class the Switch as a portable then it's a fantastic bit of kit. However, as a console it looks to be lacking and this is something that many will see it as, especially as this is how Nintendo are marketing it.

 

While having Skyrim on the go would be nice, it's going to have to launch at a budget price or it will bomb. I can't see it selling massively if it's not running well and sold at a high price, even if it is portable. Even the new remastered editions on the other consoles sold at a lower price, so having to pay more a year later won't sit well with a lot of people.

 

Yeah, if it's more expensive than the other versions it's DOA.

 

But as for the messy Switch situation. Maybe. I just think different games need a different approach; some games sold as home console games (or both) and some more as handheld. Skyrim should be sold as a portable game, that's the only thing impressive about it Autumn 2017 I think. But then games like Mario and Zelda and I'd imagine most Nintendo first parties will compete with the biggest games on any platform.

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It might once again come down to how Nintendo handle marketing. But hey, they've never made a mistake in that regards before...

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I think catering to both home and handheld markets could be a big issue if not handled right. I remember a lot of people giving reasons as to why the Vita was not selling well and most alluding to the fact that ports of home console games don't suit handheld gaming (which near launch is what it had a lot of).

 

There's a thin line they need to tread as they might manage to cater to both audiences or end up catering to neither.

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I was watching Kinda Funny Games last night and the guys were talking about the Switch. Tim was saying how certain things that are missing from the device don't matter to him, which is fair enough. Colin was saying that if you look at the bigger picture then things aren't that simple.

 

I've setup the YouTube link to start just as Colin starts his pie chart analogy.

 

 

I think he's spot on with what he says. When you start removing features from the Switch, the people that are potential customers gets lower and lower. Ultimately what you're left with is the dwindling core Nintendo fans.

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  Hero-of-Time said:
This year will possibly see the release of Red Dead Redemption 2 and Destiny 2. If released, these are probably going to be two of the biggest games of the year. Will the Switch get these? I'd be VERY surprised if they did. Both of these games have mass market appeal and if Nintendo once again misses out on such games then they will struggle, at least in the West.

 

Not that it'd even be likely to occur but I cannot imagine attempting Destiny online through the Switch's terrible online approach. I played for the best part of 10-12 hours one Sunday - having jumped in after TTK expansion - how is a phone or smart device even going to handle all that time of being on and communicating data with yet another thing to charge it? Imagine taking on a raid for the first time blind - how long will you be playing through that and how much charge is everyone gonna have on their smart device?

 

Also not Destiny related but what if I've been out all day and come home to play a quick bit of Splatwoon - but it's incredibly hard for me to voice chat because my phone battery is running down on 1-15%?

 

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The Switch is being marketed as a console you can take anywhere. Many are excited that they will get to play games on the go, but this only works if there are games to play. If Nintendo don't get the big hitters from 3rd parties, which in turn should help bring in the mass market gamers, then this is once again going to be a device that only appeals to a fast diminishing Nintendo fan base.

 

I certainly do like the idea of its portability - but it's absolutely games dependant as you say. One killer app for me may well be a Monster Hunter game - having the potential for both local and online hunts would be pretty grand in a game like that.

 

  Josh64 said:
I think catering to both home and handheld markets could be a big issue if not handled right. I remember a lot of people giving reasons as to why the Vita was not selling well and most alluding to the fact that ports of home console games don't suit handheld gaming (which near launch is what it had a lot of).

 

There's a thin line they need to tread as they might manage to cater to both audiences or end up catering to neither.

 

Interestingly I was very against MM when it came to 3DS. I didn't like that new people potentially experiencing it for the first time will no fully/truly experience the time pressures forced upon the player with a console compared to a sleepable portable. Having said that - I did bloody love the convenience of it as a portable and being able to sleep it at almost any time; but then again I in some ways minded less as I'd already had the experience of the time pressures in the original play through. I think there are some potential pluses to console games on handheld - but I do think certain things can certainly be lost in what seems such a subtle transition.

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