Sheikah Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 The general populace, who don't give two craps how Nintendo presented it. They're not mutually exclusive things. Event for press at the same time as a Direct. Why is that such a hard concept for you to grasp? Please do not change the subject. Whether they have a a Direct as well as a press congress is their choice, and a different matter. What we have been commenting on is your insistence that a press conference at E3 will have the same effect a Direct. It will not. What I was getting at regarding the "influencers" is that they influence people. So when you say E3 is for influencers but ultimately has no additional effect on the "people at home" relative to Directs, it doesn't make sense. Influencers influence the people at home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zechs Merquise Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 The two biggest deciding factors in any product's success is the advertising and the price. Nintendo dropped the ball on both of those with the Wii U. If the NX is advertised properly and is seen to be the right price, it will sell. What the NX doesn't need: - Piss poor adverts - A price point that appears expensive for what it is - A controller that needs explaining or that isn't easy to understand - Ten different controllers that all do different things - Silly design or stupid colours (purple Gamecube) - Terrible architecture that makes it unfriendly to developers Nintendo do need to create a buzz around this console, and they need to look at what others in the industry are doing. Those who are successful hold proper conferences. When Nintendo was the front runner in the industry they too held conferences. Since they have been on this horrible slide they have gone back into their shell, part of going back into their shell and withdrawing has been their refusal to do proper conferences - it is not a sign a confidence, it is a big negative! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kav Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 (edited) The general populace, who don't give two craps how Nintendo presented it. They're not mutually exclusive things. Event for press at the same time as a Direct. Why is that such a hard concept for you to grasp? You go and read the reports on Directs and compare them to the reports on conferences. The conference reports shed the info in a more positive light because they talk about the atmosphere, the buzz they feel whilst say waiting for it to start, the cheering and applause in the audience etc. The general public will read these reports and be influenced by them. It's this influence that is needed, how do you not understand that?! Edited January 20, 2016 by Kav Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goron_3 Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 The general populace, who don't give two craps how Nintendo presented it. They're not mutually exclusive things. Event for press at the same time as a Direct. Why is that such a hard concept for you to grasp? The content of both would be identical. Two birds, one stone etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashley Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 The general populace, who don't give two craps how Nintendo presented it. The general populace does not give two craps about Nintendo right now. What Goron is arguing is that a press conference has a better chance of reversing that than a Direct does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serebii Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 The general populace does not give two craps about Nintendo right now. What Goron is arguing is that a press conference has a better chance of reversing that than a Direct does. I disagree. If the populace doesn't, then they won't care about a press conference either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr-Paul Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 I disagree. If the populace doesn't, then they won't care about a press conference either. But the point is the press will care about a press conference more than a Direct, and the press will tell the populace. I know you prefer Nintendo Directs, I think they're pretty good too for giving updates and release dates rather than just sending out PR. But for launching a new console, a big press conference has to be the way to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.C.G Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 The general populace might not care about the press conference either but by having the press conference, the media gets involved, word of mouth gets around quickly... it helps more than it hinders you surely have to admit? : peace: So long as the message is clearly put across as to what the machine is and what it can do, revealing the NX as part of a press conference can only be a good thing for Nintendo. I don't mind personally if they decide to reveal it in a direct or in a conference or both - though part of me would love to see them on form in a press confernce at E3 again - so long as the machine gets revealed and intentions are clear from Nintendo right from day one. Let's not forget that it has been a challening time for them recently as the loss of Satoru Iwata is certainly still being felt and will be for a very long time - from within the company and worldwide - but I'm sure that he wouldn't want all of his plans for the company's future to go unfulfilled; indeed I'm very sure they won't as it sounds like he had been planting seeds of change for some time and 2016 is surely the year in which they will begin to sprout... like Pikmin. NX is surely just the start of things to come, whatever happens I can't wait to see what the future brings for Nintendo as all I know is that I have a good feeling about it all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goron_3 Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 I disagree. If the populace doesn't, then they won't care about a press conference either. You are the only person talking about the general population. They won't watch a press conference, it is the press that are needed to cover it. You know...hence the term press conference? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashley Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 I disagree. If the populace doesn't, then they won't care about a press conference either. And this is where I exit the conversation. You seem unable to look beyond your own view and seem to think it applies to everyone. The populace may not care about a press conference happening, but they have a greater chance to hear about what happened because it's more widely reported. But to give a similar example; the release of major new Android versions is done as a press conference during a wider event. It's convered in the general news. Smaller updates are announced via blog posts. It's covered in specialist media. As a non-similar example: are you more likely to hear about a wedding all your friends on Facebook are invited to and posted about or one that nobody was invited to and the bride just sent an email to her best friends saying she got married? If you genuinely can't see how announcing it via a press event where the world' media are gathered to report on it, rather than told to watch a YouTube video, will be more beneficial for reach then there's no point in trying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drahkon Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 May I just chime in with a haven't you people ever heard of closing a god damn door, no? story that happened a year ago? It was E3 time, Sony's conference happened and the next day the lady and I spend time together. I was tired as fuck and she asked me why. Told her it was E3 and that I watched the conference. Her response: "Oh yeah, I watched the news today and they covered it. That virtual reality stuff from Sony sounds kinda cool. And Microsoft seems to have some cool games coming." My girlfriend isn't into gaming. She has a Wii and basically only ever plays when I'm around. She doesn't have a clue about the industry, about games other than Mario Galaxy, Mario Kart and all the games I force her to play with me we play together and yet she heard about PlayStation VR and Microsoft's games because of the press conferences. A couple days later I visited my mom and she asked about virtual reality. She's seen a report on TV about E3, too. Why this post? Because I wanted to give a much more "personal" touch to this discussion. @Ashley got it right: The populace may not care about a press conference happening, but they have a greater chance to hear about what happened because it's more widely reported. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zechs Merquise Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 I disagree. If the populace doesn't, then they won't care about a press conference either. Then why does every other company do these conferences - and not just in the gaming world but with phones, cars and other products too. Companies have press conferences and unveil their new wares in front of the press as it creates a buzz. Nintendo look like they're running scared. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serebii Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 I'm just saying that them doing a big press event at the same time as a Direct for the people at home would have the same, if not better, effect to a press conference. You get both. The controlled message for the people at home and the huge hoopla for press. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goron_3 Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 I'm just saying that them doing a big press event at the same time as a Direct for the people at home would have the same, if not better, effect to a press conference. You get both. The controlled message for the people at home and the huge hoopla for press. Again, the content would be the same, so it would be much cheaper and more time consuming to just do one conference. There would be no reason to not watch the press conference if you're a fan unless for some reason you're morally opposed to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kav Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 @Serebii I thought you were supposed to be really intelligent... so how do you not get this?! I'm not meaning to offend, but you've touted your intellect before so I felt it fair to ask. What is it you're not comprehending from what we've all been saying? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serebii Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 @Serebii I thought you were supposed to be really intelligent... so how do you not get this?! I'm not meaning to offend, but you've touted your intellect before so I felt it fair to ask. What is it you're not comprehending from what we've all been saying? Well this is more just me failing to understand humans again :p I just don't see why they can't do both, that's all. Especially as at the press conference, most of the stuff will be shown on screen rather than actually there. It'd be so easy to do both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goron_3 Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 Well this is more just me failing to understand humans again :p I just don't see why they can't do both, that's all. Especially as at the press conference, most of the stuff will be shown on screen rather than actually there. It'd be so easy to do both. Common sense...? I've explained this twice for you. There's no need for them to repeat the same thing when the core fans that watch a direct also watch a conference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kav Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 Well this is more just me failing to understand humans again :p I just don't see why they can't do both, that's all. Especially as at the press conference, most of the stuff will be shown on screen rather than actually there. It'd be so easy to do both. I hope I didn't offend, I really didn't mean to, I just couldn't grasp how you'd not see the benefit of a press conference over a Direct... especially for the mass public... @drahkon put it brilliantly. I' not suggesting they can't do both, but given that it'd be cheaper and less time consuming to do just one, I feel the presser is better suited. Again, sorry if I offended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julius Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 It seems more likely that they'll do something similar to Sony and how they handled the PS4. Cover the controller and graphics in a Direct (appealing to the die-hard and the press, but still not at all to the general populace), and reveal games and the console at E3 (everyone will hear about it, especially if they get EA's Monday spot). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hogge Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 I'd say that the most important thing will be the launch lineup and what games that will have been announced and shown by the time the console launches. It's bad for software sales if the public is looking forward to so many different games that they don't buy what's already out. But it's GOOD for hardware. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kav Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 ...@Blade, @Zechs Merquise, @Serebii, @Ronnie, @Sheikah would you guys have any thoughts or predictions as to the above? I'd love to know what your thoughts were towards it all. Do you guys not have any predictions or any thoughts as to what the NX might be then? I've seen plenty posts about what Nintendo do/don't need to do and comments made about Nintendo, both positive and negative, but none of you have actually posted any predictions or thoughts to what the console itself will be, as per Lostmario's initial reasoning for creating the thread. Post your predictions for the NX, no discussions & no arguing, just 1 post covering the following. For example (this isn't my prediction) Name: Nintendo Home (Home Console) & Nintendo Portable (Handheld) Graphical capability: equal to Xbox One (Home Console) & PSP Vita (Handheld) Controller style: Cross between Vita & Gamepad. The gimmick: place 10 amiibos on the console to power it up. Hard drive size: Launch lineup: No. of Bundles available at launch: Price: Release date: Are you not making any, or have any thoughts as to what it might be? You're vocal chaps about Nintendo, I'd have thought you'd have had some thoughts about it...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronnie Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 Name: Nintendo NX and Nintendo NX Go (Handheld) Graphical capability: equal to Xbox One (Home Console) & PSP Vita (Handheld) Controller style: Traditional controller. iOS/Android app to provide an optional second screen for games that support (Mario Maker, Zelda). Game pad backwards compatible for touch screen. The gimmick: Play the same game at home or on the go. Cartridge based game that works on NX or NX Go Hard drive size: 500GB (Console), 128GB+ (Handheld) Launch lineup: Zelda U, Super Mario Universe, Pilotwings NX (+ more obv) Price: £250 (Home Console), £200 (Handheld) Release date: Q4 2016 (Home Console), Q1 2017 (Handheld) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liger05 Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 i shudder to think Nintendo would even contemplate using a direct to unveil a new console. That would be ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheikah Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 i shudder to think Nintendo would even contemplate using a direct to unveil a new console. That would be ridiculous. Yeah, it really would. Hopefully Nintendo know what they're doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicktendo Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 Name: Nintendo iHome and Nintendo iMove (Handheld), yes the i is for Iwata. Graphical capability: iHome outputs at 1080p with graphical and processing power on a par with PS4 / Xbone. iMove outputs in 540p and is twice as powerful as PS Vita. Both consoles use the cloud or each other in close proxomity to increase processing power, games are scaled accordingly depending on how the respective device is connected. Controller style: iHome comes with the iController, a replica of the GameCube controller (yes, that means analogue triggers) as well as a small 4.5 inch 540p touch display, analogue sticks and triggers feature haptic feedback. Motion enabled. The device can also either be connected to the Wii U gamepad, Wii Remote or iMove. The second screen acts like the DS touch screen and does not replicate what is on the TV screen, though can be used for "off TV" play a la Wii U. The iMove is similar in style to the iController (same button layout, features), but shaped more like a smaller 2DS for ease of portability. There is one screen and it's touch enabled, so is the rear (just like the Vita ). Fully motion enabled, gyrometers baby. Can be used as a replacement for the iController. The gimmick: Every game works across all platforms, and is scaled accordingly. Unified "my nintendo" account stores saves in the cloud to be played at home or on the move. Games are cartridge based, but Nintendo offers 20% discount on all download titles during year one to encourage digital sales. VC games offered for free to early adopters. Wii or Wii U users can upgrade for 20p for all NES / SNES / GB / GBA games, 50p per game for anything else. Catalogue of over 200 games on launch day including GameCube. Runs Wii U discs natively. Multitude of apps avaibale on Android based operating system "NintendOS". Heavy social media integration, Miiverse returns. Sharing to social media earns platinum points, which can be used on rewards such as themes, wallpapers etc. Easy to develop for, multitude of PS4/Xbone ports available around launch. Packed in HDMI dongle enables "on TV" play which allows iMove games to be streamed to the big screen without the need for purchasing the iHome console. iMove is not compatible with Wii U games for obvious reasons. Hard drive size: 240GB expandable (Console), 128GB expandable (Handheld) Launch lineup: Zelda U, Pikmin 4, Animal Crossing i, Super Smash Bros i (GOTY edition of 4 with all DLC), Nintendo World (technology showcase game in the same vain as Nintendo Land - Pilotwings, WaveRace and F-Zero mini-games all make an appearence and then are never spoken of again), new exclusive by Platinum Games, host of 3rd party games / ports. Price: £300 (Home Console), £200 (Handheld) Release date Dec 2016 iHome, Apr 2017 iMove. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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