Oxigen_Waste Posted January 28, 2011 Posted January 28, 2011 It isn't, not at all actually. For starters, it's optional and why would a button combination be any better than tapping the screen to stealth kill someone? Also, for the climbing I said it made it accessible. Games require a foreknowledge of what you can and can't do, the touch screen cuts through that. I probably wont use it, unless I'm feeling lazy, but it obviously simplifies the controls and as an option I can't see how you can argue it as a bad thing. I've seen people try and play Uncharted who don't usually play games. They can get frustrated pretty easily with the climbing. I have nothing against touch screen controls in general... what I think is lame is the fact that only some things work with touch. And since it's an action game, it interferes with the game's flow! It's either full blown touch, or nothing. And this is most definitely one of the cases where I deem it as a gimmicky extra. So this is the point we've reached when people demand good graphics... So, I skim-read details, but I hear this will have a second joystick (yay!), touchscreen (lol), an extra touchpad on the back (buh?) and motion controls (woot!). On the other hand, the 3DS has Nintendo games, and healthy 3rd party support... If I buy one of these portables it will be a bit farther in the future (like a year or so from now), but the 3DS sounds better thus far. Mainly due to confirmed software (screw the launch line-up, I'm thinking longterm). I'd hate to see either machine become wasted potential, anyway. @Dazz: Useless touchscreen controls are gimmicky. Good touchscreen controls have the game built around them (e.g. The DS Zeldas, Soul Bubbles), while gimmicky touchscreen functions can be tacked on any game, without the game becoming better for it (e.g. Dawn of Sorrow, Wario: Master of Disguise). An Uncharted game entirely controlled with the touchscreen, now that would be something. Thank you. For all of that. Every single thing you said! It seems my post was useless, then.
Oxigen_Waste Posted January 28, 2011 Posted January 28, 2011 To the whole 'the 3DS is doing nothing new, 3D is a gimmick', wasn't the touchscreen just a gimmick? Look how that turned out. 3D will either work, or it won't, it's a chance Nintendo are taking. Everybody knows it will work, because it's not actually changing anything, it's just a slightly different perspective. When people say it's nothing new, they mean that it does't affect gameplay, so much so that you can turn it off and games will still play the same way, all of them. That's why it's considered a gimmick, because unlike the DS and Wii, there's no real gameplay innovation. I don't really think it's a gimmick, it seems to me like it's quite a cool extra. But that's all it is... a nice little feature, not something you should base your whole marketing strategy upon.
S.C.G Posted January 28, 2011 Posted January 28, 2011 But that's all it is... a nice little feature, not something you should base your whole marketing strategy upon. True but it seems to be what many currently want, 3D has been introduced into a good few home console games though you can only take advantage of this if you have either a 3DTV, 3D glasses or both while the 3DS is able to create 3D images without the need to buy special glasses or spend £800? + on a new TV so in many ways it's pioneering the way on a smaller scale for what may well become the technology that we take for granted on a larger scale on TV's a few years or so down the line. But yes, it's still just a neat extra, nothing truely game-changing though I look forward to the extra level of depth that it's bound to add to certain games.
Oxigen_Waste Posted January 28, 2011 Posted January 28, 2011 True but it seems to be what many currently want, 3D has been introduced into a good few home console games though you can only take advantage of this if you have either a 3DTV, 3D glasses or both while the 3DS is able to create 3D images without the need to buy special glasses or spend £800? + on a new TV so in many ways it's pioneering the way on a smaller scale for what may well become the technology that we take for granted on a larger scale on TV's a few years or so down the line. But yes, it's still just a neat extra, nothing truely game-changing though I look forward to the extra level of depth that it's bound to add to certain games. I'll be completely honest here, Nintendo could basically release a new DS with only hardware improvements and I still wouldn't care about wether or not it was innovative enough... I would denitely still buy it, just because it's Nintendo. So, I'm absolutely fine with whatever gets thrown our way. That being said, while I really can't wait to try that 3D effect first-hand (and I know that I'll use it constantly the first month I get the 3DS), I will probably stop using it after that, for battery reasons. Which I think most of us will do too. But yes, it is a good marketing strategy, I just think it needed another standout feature to really wow the crowd. Also, tech question about 3D... I thought this no glasses approach was impossible to transfer to TVs since it relies heavily on persective... Meaning you're either directly in front of the TV/3DS/whatever or all you'll see is a weird heap of "holograms". Am I wrong about this? If I'm right, I can already imagine VIP theater rooms with only a single file at the center, with two seats per row and a max capacity of 30 people. Ah ah, lol, that'd be weird!
Debug Mode Posted January 28, 2011 Posted January 28, 2011 I know. A few jagged edges/blurriness aside, it doesn't look anywhere near "awful" on the monitor. That was my point. Something that looks fine is being called awful. That's the point we've reached. After cross referencing my view with some leading scientists in the field of 'opinions', we have established the majority, in their opinion, think it looks awful. However they were quick to ejaculate into a cup and drink their own semen at the thought of it looking as good as it will on a 5 inch screen. Just chill brah.
Cube Posted January 28, 2011 Posted January 28, 2011 Also, tech question about 3D... I thought this no glasses approach was impossible to transfer to TVs since it relies heavily on persective... Meaning you're either directly in front of the TV/3DS/whatever or all you'll see is a weird heap of "holograms". Am I wrong about this? Toshiba are bringing out a 40" Glasses-free 3DTV in April. It's a completely different technology to the 3DS.
Daft Posted January 28, 2011 Posted January 28, 2011 I saw a glasses free 3D TV last year. Was pretty cool, but also awful.
Oxigen_Waste Posted January 28, 2011 Posted January 28, 2011 What am I saying, I really don't give a fuck about 3D... what the hell is it for anyway?
McPhee Posted January 28, 2011 Posted January 28, 2011 (edited) Don't knock it 'til you've tried it Fucks with the eyes something awful though (I hear that eases with time, hope so or the 3D glasses will be going back). Had my 3D gear arrive this morning and so far... Metro 2033 is still 'meh' despite what I've heard. Napoleon: Total War doesn't work in 3D (well, it does, but not everything is 3D so it looks weird). Arkham Asylum looks the shit in 3D though. Bad Company 2 next. Edited January 28, 2011 by McPhee
Daft Posted January 28, 2011 Posted January 28, 2011 Active shutter glasses are amazing. I was writing it off completely but I changed my mind pretty much instantly after trying them on. I think it was some kind of Panasonic I tried.
Oxigen_Waste Posted January 28, 2011 Posted January 28, 2011 Don't knock it 'til you've tried it Fucks with the eyes something awful though (I hear that eases with time, hope so or the 3D glasses will be going back). Had my 3D gear arrive this morning and so far... Metro 2033 is still 'meh' despite what I've heard. Napoleon: Total War doesn't work in 3D (well, it does, but not everything is 3D so it looks weird). Arkham Asylum looks the shit in 3D though. Bad Company 2 next. I'm not talkin' bout the 3DS, I mean on TVs and movies. It's the most useless piece of crap ever! And even in games, I have a 3D sony bravia with a PS3, so far it's bullshit... it doesn't really add anything except a bit ooomph factor. But I'll bet it looks cool on the 3DS. Well, at least from what I've tried on the PS3... GT5 - unimpressed. Motorstorm - unimpressed. Stardust HD - unimpressed. Really, waste of money... I'm glad it came free with the TV, coz otherwise I would beat my dad with a stick for buying it. Active shutter glasses are amazing. I was writing it off completely but I changed my mind pretty much instantly after trying them on. I think it was some kind of Panasonic I tried. Disagree. Massively. It made me even more against the whole 3D thing. Overcharging us for nearly nothing. Nazi punks fuck off.
Daft Posted January 28, 2011 Posted January 28, 2011 Disagree. Massively. It made me even more against the whole 3D thing.Overcharging us for nearly nothing. Nazi punks fuck off. Well I was impressed. I hate it in the cinemas. On TV it was razor sharp. I would probably just use it for gaming though, not films. Also, it doesn't cost that much more. You can get a 50" 3DTV now for £700. The price has gone down much faster than that of HDTVs. Not sure if it's been posted but a white NGP.
dwarf Posted January 28, 2011 Posted January 28, 2011 I don't know why you'd take out a mortgage and then have it in white.
Daft Posted January 28, 2011 Posted January 28, 2011 Yeah, that thing is asking to be dirtied up. Naughty girl.
Oxigen_Waste Posted January 28, 2011 Posted January 28, 2011 I preffer white in gadgets. It looks slick.
Daft Posted January 28, 2011 Posted January 28, 2011 Epic: NGP perfect for Gears-style game Speaking to Eurogamer following the unveiling, vice president of Epic Games Mark Rein emphasised the NGP's graphical power. "This is the kind of machine that a Gears of War-style experience would be appropriate on because it has the control layout that games like that are designed for and can produce some pretty compelling visuals," he said. "Activision announced Call of Duty for the device so of course a Gears-style game would also be appropriate." ... When asked for his honest assessment of this claim, Rein replied: "This device is certainly in the same class as PlayStation 3. With Unreal Engine 3, we're able to produce some pretty spectacular visuals on this device already, and we're just getting started." ... Sweeney went on to introduce a demo of Trendy Entertainment's UE3-powered Dungeon Defenders, a PC, PSN and XBLA game. Converting from PS3 took a week, apparently. Rein went in more detail on the game, and confirmed that PS3/NGP cross-platform play is possible. "Dungeon Defenders is essentially a PS3 game brought to NGP," he said. "At CES this year, Trendy showed Dungeon Defenders on a Tegra 2 mobile device playing multiplayer against a PlayStation 3. Trendy told me they're planning to have NGP players playing against PS3 players. So this part is already a reality. ... Summing up his feelings about the device, Rein was unable to single out his favourite NGP feature. "This is a bit of a cop-out but I'd say it's the complete package; multiple control methods, great screen, an OS that gives you low-level access to the hardware, great processing power on both CPU and GPU, GPS, 3G, dual cameras – all this on a high-end portable gaming device. There's a lot to like there." http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-01-28-epic-ngp-perfect-for-gears-style-game The speed of conversion is pretty impressive. Also the cross platform play.
Dante Posted January 28, 2011 Posted January 28, 2011 More Details. Impress Watch has posted a summary of a roundtable interview conducted with Sony Computer Entertainment CEO Kaz Hirai. In the post PlayStation Meeting 2011 interview session, Hirai shared lots of new details on Sony's new NGP portable gaming system. One of the major points from the interview is that Hirai acknowledged that there are plans for multiple versions of the hardware, including Wi-Fi only versions and 3G + Wi-Fi versions. Such hardware developments will be made on a region-by-region basis, he said. Regarding 3G, Hirai said that Sony is currently in discussions with different carriers in the various territories about such things as rate plans and fees. They will announce specifics when available. 3G through NGP will not allow for phone use. Hirai said that it would be "nonsense" to use a device of this shape as a phone. Because it would require a headset or changes to form factor, they left out any such phone functionality. The interview touched upon a number of other topics outside of 3G. Hirai said that price and battery time information cannot be revealed at present because the system is still in the prototype phases. He said Sony is aiming for levels that will be well received by customers. As announced at PlayStation meeting, the NGP is compatible with PSP software. PSP titles will run completely through emulation, said Hirai. Of course, you'll only be able to use downloadable versions of PSP games. Sony is currently in negotiations to get software makers to actively release download versions of their games. Those who already have downloadable PSP titles on their PSP system will be able to redownload them to NGP, assuming you're still within the download number limits imposed by PSN. Internally, NGP uses an original games-oriented operating system, revealed Hirai. It's not Android. Different from the PSP, the OS has a modern framework akin to a PC. Package PSP games will ship on a custom memory card format. This is basically a ROM, but it has rewritable space which can be used for save data and download data. Hirai said to think of it as similar to the memory cards used by the Nintendo DS. NGP will also support general memory cards, a Sony representative told Impress. Specific formats were not mentioned. The site did not make clear what "support" means. Separate from the Hirai interview, the Impress Watch story says that the NGP in its current form will not support video output. The site was told this by a Sony representative.
Arnieboy Posted January 28, 2011 Posted January 28, 2011 3D isnt the same thing as a touch screen. Viewing = controls? Also I dont think alot of people are happy with Nintendo's pricing for what is essentially a very cut down, budget handheld being sold at an insanely expensive premium price. Not to mention how far behind Nintendo are Sony or MS when it comes to online and features. Sony seem to be listening alot more. I am sure the 3D thing will sell tons of 3DS alone but there is less long term substance than the Wii or DS. Obviously not but it's still a bit gimmicky. Everybody knows it will work, because it's not actually changing anything, it's just a slightly different perspective. When people say it's nothing new, they mean that it does't affect gameplay, so much so that you can turn it off and games will still play the same way, all of them. That's why it's considered a gimmick, because unlike the DS and Wii, there's no real gameplay innovation.I don't really think it's a gimmick, it seems to me like it's quite a cool extra. But that's all it is... a nice little feature, not something you should base your whole marketing strategy upon. It obviously will work, but what i mean is that this will probably be a thing where people will use the 3D initially and then find it annoying having it on for long periods of time therefore making it rather pointless. And i agree that there is no gameplay innovation really associated with 3D.
Aneres11 Posted January 28, 2011 Author Posted January 28, 2011 What Nintendo thing of "NGP" (which in my opinion is such a stupid name) http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/gaming/news/a300782/nintendo-unfazed-by-ngp-handheld.html Typical Nintendo response. Lol. :p
Caris Posted January 28, 2011 Posted January 28, 2011 Don't know if it has been posted but a Sony executive has said the price with be under the PS3's $599 and it will be within peoples budget for a handheld games console. I stand by my £300(ish) estimate.
Arnieboy Posted January 28, 2011 Posted January 28, 2011 Don't know if it has been posted but a Sony executive has said the price with be under the PS3's $599 and it will be within peoples budget for a handheld games console. $598? 10char
flameboy Posted January 29, 2011 Posted January 29, 2011 I think $499 just from the buzz I've been hearing on podcasts. I know yes very different markets but there is still a comparison to benas a multimedia handheld device as well that puts in $100 the bog standard ipad in US. I don't even dare to think how much we will pay over here, basically pluck a relatively high number out of your arse and blame its inflated price on retailers and VAT and you have a Nintendo fan's answer to how handhelds in 2011 are priced!
Zechs Merquise Posted January 29, 2011 Posted January 29, 2011 I think $499 just from the buzz I've been hearing on podcasts. I know yes very different markets but there is still a comparison to benas a multimedia handheld device as well that puts in $100 the bog standard ipad in US. I don't even dare to think how much we will pay over here, basically pluck a relatively high number out of your arse and blame its inflated price on retailers and VAT and you have a Nintendo fan's answer to how handhelds in 2011 are priced! Considering an unlocked iPhone 4 (sim free) goes for around £500, I'd expect the price of this to be high, and if not it could well end up making massive losses like the PS3.
Daft Posted January 29, 2011 Posted January 29, 2011 (edited) Sony's Surprise ... PlayStation Suite, one might argue, is the final piece of the puzzle in Sony's strategy. It has allowed it to approach the PSP2 without the limitations which would have been imposed by having to compete directly with iOS devices - enabling it to create a device without phone functionality and even without being overly concerned with "pocketability". By extending PlayStation onto other mobile devices, the firm can safely allow PSP2 to be a premium product for the gamer demographic, without having to fear capitulation in the battle for hearts and minds among the more casual demographic. In a sense, then, Sony has actually done something this week which few would have expected - it has outmaneuvered Nintendo. Despite the excitement around the 3DS, it would take a pretty brave commentator to expect it to match the success of the DS - whose sales figures, I suspect, represent a high water mark for dedicated handheld gaming consoles. The impact of game-capable smartphones and iPods upon the wider market has been simply too fundamental to allow a console to scale those lofty heights again. In this context, Sony's two-pronged attack looks incredibly clever. PSP2 will delight the technophiles, the core gamers and the PlayStation faithful, and with franchises like Metal Gear and Monster Hunter apparently in the bag, it's a shoe-in for healthy sales among the existing core demographic. Meanwhile, Sony offers the casual market and the world of consumers who only want to carry one device in their pockets a different proposition - the PlayStation experience right there on their Android phone, a stab right at the heart of Apple's market, a response to an industry challenge that Nintendo hasn't yet even acknowledged. ... http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-01-28-sonys-surprise-article I'd like to see more of the Playstation Suite. Smartphone pricing is just too good, so getting this on the NGP is a great move. Would like to see it work. Two online shops, the PS Store and the PS Suite, can only be a good thing. Edited January 29, 2011 by Daft
Caris Posted January 29, 2011 Posted January 29, 2011 Considering an unlocked iPhone 4 (sim free) goes for around £500, I'd expect the price of this to be high, and if not it could well end up making massive losses like the PS3. Dude, are you a moron? Sony, not some fansite, Sony have said it will be cheaper than the PS3's launch price. And a fair price for a portable games console So no, it won't be anywhere near £500.
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