Retro_Link Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 I just watched the video for Winter. Looks decent enough all things considered! The vibe I was getting from it was more of a point and click adventure seeing as the heroine was checking everywhere for clues and items and stuff. On the downside, by and large, survival horror games suck. A point and click style survival-horror-puzzle-adventure, could be fun though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hero-of-Time Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 A point and click style survival-horror-puzzle-adventure, could be fun though! Don't listen to him, Retro. He doesn't like the R Evil games so he isn't allowed an opinion when it comes to survival horror games. Saying that he doesn't like the Metroid games either, in that case he isn't allowed an opinion when it comes to any games! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksnowman Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 Don't listen to him, Retro. He doesn't like the R Evil games so he isn't allowed an opinion when it comes to survival horror games. Saying that he doesn't like the Metroid games either, in that case he isn't allowed an opinion when it comes to any games! Haha, someones flirting with being infracted. :wink: (Eternal Darkness 4ever!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retro_Link Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 Don't listen to him, Retro. He doesn't like the R Evil games so he isn't allowed an opinion when it comes to survival horror games. Saying that he doesn't like the Metroid games either, in that case he isn't allowed an opinion when it comes to any games! haha, interesting! Off topic: Dammit! the number of times I keep clicking 'Edit' [now that it's on the left] instead of 'Quote', to reply to someones post! Stupid extra Mod privilege! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The IGN interview, for those who haven't seen/read it: http://uk.wii.ign.com/articles/946/946492p1.html Lol wtf man? Few weeks work my ass, they had a fully working engine there and that takes a lot more than a few weeks. Well that's what they're claiming... IGN: How big was the team working on the project at its peak? Ted: At its peak we had about 12 people on the project working a mix of part and full time to develop the demo and eventually work on the design for the game and concept art in case the project was picked up. IGN: Supposing the game got a publisher, what kind of improvements to the original concept were you hoping to make? Ted: We made that video back in March '07 to show it off to a few publishers at GDC. It was basically six weeks of work -- three weeks for the original demo and another three added on to update it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The-chosen-one Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 i want Geist :P that game is just perfect for the Wii-mote i really loved the game only it missed alot and on the wii i want it to be online just to scare the shit out of someone hahah you could choose to play either as a Ghost or a soldier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cube Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 It reminds me of Fahrenheit, mixed with more traditional point & click elements and survival horror stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ganepark32 Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 That looked awesome, especially the ending to that trailer. I've signed the petition and I hope the the gaming sites spread the word around for this because it's a bloody travesty that it's been cancelled. With only a few weeks work, it looked great. The lighting for the torch was really well done. Just think of what it could look like if they brought it back to life. I think we all know that the petition will inevitably lead to nothing but if we spread the word of Winter then there is more chance of it. Hey, why not even send out some emails to some publishers with the footage in it that way the publishers will see the footage first hand and it's more likely that one of them may pick it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shino Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 Not my style of game, but signed the petition for their effort. About the vid, I'm PRETTY sure I've seen that monster at the end before. I'm sure I've seen that face and that's not a deja vu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Maase Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 I think i'm turning a man (in before "you were a woman before"?) O_O First i'm not afraid of Left 4 Dead, then i'm not afraid of this trailer. Are they really not scary, or am I turning into a courageous kid? (Hopes the later is the right one) But that monster at the end of the trailer seems pretty awesome, I got the Silent Hill vibe with him. Also, signed the petition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david.dakota Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 Oh with the personal attacks for me having an opinion again... sorry that I'm not on the same hype train as you, I just prefer to only get excited about a GAME not the potential of a game. Assassin's Creed wasn't the best game in the world but I'm excited to see where that IP will go because I actually got my hands on it, for instance. I'm behind games like Mirror's Edge, Portal, Madworld and Fragile. Games that are trying something a bit different, visually and gameplay wise, rather than just taping together old genre stylisms, liked fixed cameras and the dull point and click puzzles. I just have higher expectations than you guys about what I want to spend my money on. And apparently that offends a couple of you... There's a crowd who scream and rant "get some decent games on Wii", but yet fail to put passion behind new products- and thats offensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GothicPlague Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 Trailer made me jump at the end even though I knew what was gonna happen. Petition signed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ganepark32 Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 I reckon these guys should go and talk to SEGA about publishing the game. With them bringing a slew of mature titles to the Wii and wanting to expand more, you never know. Perhaps they would pick it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noku Posted January 21, 2009 Author Share Posted January 21, 2009 I for one think that Sega isn't going to handle this as well. There's only so much financial risk a company can take: with The Conduit, MadWorld and Hotd it's already got three mature titles; methinks it'll wait and see how those will do before adding more titles to their hardcore wii library. My money's on the Big N themselves. Wasn't n-Space second party btw? Doesn't say anything of that kind on the wiki though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluey Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 ...on the off chance that anyone might be able to hear me above the cries of "ZOOOOMG WAAAANTTTT!!!" the petition is useless. for a start the project was canceled for a reason, and no amount of names on a list are going to magic up the money or inclination to complete it. aaaand even more importantly ~ that petition is useless... a petition needs mail addresses as well as names to be valid. not just email addresses. all this is good for are marketers who use the lists to send various kinds of solicitations and they can make a fortune renting or selling the names to other businesses. y'know.. just in case any of you have anything better to do than moan pointlessly and incessantly on and on and on and on and on and on and on... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D_prOdigy Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 just in case any of you have anything better to do than moan pointlessly What the hell do you take us for? People with lives and homes of our own? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GothicPlague Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 ...on the off chance that anyone might be able to hear me above the cries of "ZOOOOMG WAAAANTTTT!!!" the petition is useless. for a start the project was canceled for a reason, and no amount of names on a list are going to magic up the money or inclination to complete it. aaaand even more importantly ~ that petition is useless... a petition needs mail addresses as well as names to be valid. not just email addresses. all this is good for are marketers who use the lists to send various kinds of solicitations and they can make a fortune renting or selling the names to other businesses. y'know.. just in case any of you have anything better to do than moan pointlessly and incessantly on and on and on and on and on and on and on... Still at least we're not taking the time to moan about people moaning about a game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david.dakota Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 Wasn't n-Space second party btw? Doesn't say anything of that kind on the wiki though. n-Space were contracted to produce second party software- ie Geist. Second party status can be given for single projects- Namco with Starfox Armada, Sega with F-Zero GX are other examples of this. Nintendo may or may not hold stock in a second party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noku Posted January 22, 2009 Author Share Posted January 22, 2009 n-Space were contracted to produce second party software- ie Geist. Second party status can be given for single projects- Namco with Starfox Armada, Sega with F-Zero GX are other examples of this. Nintendo may or may not hold stock in a second party. Duly noted Thanks for the intel! By the way Bluey, I supplied the petition of both first and last name, couldn't imagine why anyone wouldn't (unless they're under the impression that providing false aliases will further the cause...). The reason this got cancelled was because it was put forward in a time where Red Steel and Far Cry Vengeance represented "mature" titles on Wii, and brand power was deemed a prerequisite for a title to be successful (RE4Wii). Has nothing to do with quality or lack thereof. This was more of an advanced tech/ concept demo than anything. Hence the LotR placeholder music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluey Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 What the hell do you take us for? People with lives and homes of our own? i'm optimistic.. what can i say? Still at least we're not taking the time to moan about people moaning about a game. like everyone else, y'mean?? (i was avoiding doing the whole "leave britney jamba alooooone!!!" thing but i guess i flailed ~ MEH.) ALTERNATIVE REPLY: or..if that was a dig at me - i dont care if you guys moan about the game.. for a start i dont value other people's opinions unless they're giving away free doritoes.... and even still ~ game looks yawntastic. i just hate the wastes of time that are these pointless online petitions. By the way Bluey, I supplied the petition of both first and last name, couldn't imagine why anyone wouldn't (unless they're under the impression that providing false aliases will further the cause...). to the best of my knowledge valid petition needs a street address along with a name.. not just an email address/name. i could be wrong - but i HAVE played all 4 phoenix wright games so i'm probably never wrong..........ever. *nods seriously* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 A point and click style survival-horror-puzzle-adventure, could be fun though! You mean hudson's The Calling! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noku Posted January 22, 2009 Author Share Posted January 22, 2009 to the best of my knowledge valid petition needs a street address along with a name.. not just an email address/name. i could be wrong - but i HAVE played all 4 phoenix wright games so i'm probably never wrong..........ever. *nods seriously* You're probably right there. But the whole point of this is not to be valid or legal, just to provide publishers with a solid impression that this game has support. So I'm guessing they don't mind all that much - if they mind at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hero-of-Time Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 GoNintendo had a great rant about this, its an awesome read. I find it absolutely absurd that a game like Winter is shunned by publishers. Here we have the number 1 console in the entire world, yet publishers are afraid to pick up a new game in a well-established genre. Some publishers still think that core games won’t work on the Wii. That’s kind of a crappy situation for Wii owners. It’s those same publishers that are creating the situation that they’re afraid of. If publishers don’t release core-oriented games on the Wii, then how can anyone test the waters of how core-oriented titles will sell? There’s no market for core games on the Wii because publishers haven’t created the market. This is a mentality that came about during the first year of the Wii, and it’s stuck to this day. Publishers are afraid that they’ll be throwing their money away if they create a core-oriented Wii title. I’m not exactly sure what proof they are looking at. Do they examine the sales of their shoddy, half-assed early attempts at approaching the core Wii owner? Were they surprised to see that we didn’t want core titles that were ports from last generation, or PSP/PS2 clones with tacked-on motion controls? Would would have guessed that Wii owners would want to be treated with respect, much like 360 and PS3 owners are? We have seen core titles do well on Wii. It’s true that there were entries from established franchises that did well…but they still managed to bring in sales. Just imagine if a publisher decided to put that same kind of care and bravery into releasing a quality Wii core title. You know…treating a Wii title as if it were a PS3/360 title. Putting the same amount of development time and effort into a product, instead of creating a Wii title as an afterthought. Using sales data from early ports and ‘Grade C’ quality Wii games to justify the actions of today is ridiculous. Most of the time, you get out of a product what you put in. Publishers also have a hard time realizing that they may need to rethink their advertising strategies. The rules that have been in effect for 20 years may no longer apply. It might be time to think outside of the box…and that scares people. We’ve seen some great third-party Wii titles that struggled to pull in sales. Zack and Wiki was a fantastic game, but the traditional advertising didn’t help the game. No More Hoeres is another high-quality title, but the advertising approach just wasn’t there. On the flip-side, rough estimates show us that there are 41 million-selling Wii titles…a number that almost doubles the million-sellers on PS3. Those million sellers range from Nintendo franchise classics to expanded audiences favorites. Carnival Games is exactly what the expanded audience wanted, and the marketing and word-of-mouth really pushed the title to new sales heights. Star Wars: The Force Unleashed, The Simpsons Game, and Sonic and the Secret Rings are just a few titles that prove that core gamers are alive and well on the Wii. Rock Band and Guitar Hero bring in the perfect mix of casual and core, which equals big sales. The most promising of all are the third party titles that are moving towards their million-selling status. Boom Blox is an original title that caters to both casual and core, and it’s nothing but AAA quality. THQ brought us de Blob, a game that released to rave review scores. It uses the Wii’s controllers in innovative ways in order to give us a new twist on a traditional genre. Both of these games are just about 200,000 short of hitting their million-selling status. This is just a small example of third party games that prove that the core Wii audience is listening. If you look at your title and market it through the appropriate outlets, you can see results. Publishers just have to realize that when it comes to Wii, the marketing is more important than ever before. All that talk brings us right back to Winter. The survival-horror genre has been a popular one for years, but it’s been dominated by franchises like Resident Evil, Silent Hill, and Fatal Frame. While I still love each of those franchises, it would be great to see a new kid step onto the block. Resident Evil has moved away from its roots, the latest Silent Hill proves that the series is in need of a revamp, and Fatal Frame IV may never see release in the states. If there was ever a time to bring in a new survival-horror game, this would be it. Not capitalizing on this opportunity would be a huge mistake. Wii owners, I understand your frustration. I know that you don’t think third parties treat us fairly…I really do get that. There are some third parties that are trying, and we applaud them for doing so. There are developers and publishers that believe in the Wii, and they are showing their support with their releases. n-Space is another one of those developers that sees what the Wii can do, and knows that the audience is there for their game idea. Unfortunately, n-Space hasn’t been able to pair themselves up with a publisher that thinks the same way. This is why we have to step in and make some noise. Wii owners didn’t put themselves into this third-party predicament. It was the early publishers that stuck us here. They gave us shoddy support, and then got miffed with us when we didn’t buy their products. Now they don’t even want to try supporting the core audience. On the flip-side, there are developers that really know what the Wii owner is like. They know of the expanded audience, but they also know of the core audience that goes unfed. They see what the Wii can do and what titles can reach us. They are reaching out to us, and we need to reach back to them. It does truly suck that we have to fight for game support from time to time, but I am more than willing to prove just how passionate our audience can be. If that’s what it’ll take to make this happen, then so be it. The support for Winter from internet publications has already been staggering. From big to small news outlets, there have been a ton of stories regarding Winter. I think it’s clear that people are fed-up with the core support on Wii, which makes the situation that n-Space is in even harder to stomach. We need to rally together and let not only n-Space, but devs/pubs all around the world know that the core Wii gamer exists, and we are ready to play. As I’ve told you, there are a number of outlets that are willing to work for this cause. Obviously, the Nintendo team at IGN is doing their best to spread the word on Winter. As I’ve already showed you, I contacted Matt Casamassina about getting together some long-term support for Winter, with the hopes of a publisher popping up. If you missed his response, you can check that out here. As you can see, he’s ready to fight the good fight right alongside the rest of us. He’s not the only one either. My inbox was full with emails from sites around the web that are ready to man-up and make this happen. We’ll be telling you more about those sites/people in the future, once we have a clearer gameplan. I can also tell you that I’ve been contacted by some people within the game industry analysis business, and they are looking to provide n-Space with all the data they can concerning publishers, core titles, sales, and so on. I’ve also managed a contact address for n-Space, and I hope to hear a response from them tomorrow. Finally, I sent out an email to a friend at a game magazine to see if a support article can be put together. Keep your fingers crossed for all these goals…for they would surely help in helping Winter find a publisher. Regardless of how this first wave of support goes, you can be sure that there are many other ideas brewing. Finally, that brings us to the most important part of this mission…you guys. There aren’t going to be any publishers changing their tune unless you guys are loud…VERY loud about Winter. I am hoping that you are right there with us on this fight. Even if Winter isn’t your cup of tea, we still want your support. While the main goal of this mission is to get Winter a publisher, there’s also another very important message that goes along with this fight. Publishers and developers need to hear from the core Wii owner. If they don’t hear your voice, they aren’t going to support you. They are going to continue down the path of creating ‘puppy’ this, baby’ that and ‘mini-game fest 5000′. Speaking up for the publishing of Winter not only shows that you are dedicated to the Wii, it shows that you’re not going to take this shoddy treatment any longer. We are tired of seeing revenue pile up from shovelware titles, only to be taken to game development on the 360/PS3 side. Core gamers are here…and we are ready to support quality titles. Right now, the best thing you can do is spread the word of Winter and its online petition to everyone you know, every forum you visit, and every mailbag you can find. I know that for every person that signs, there are 10 more that think that petitions are pointless. It’s true that many petitions come and go, but when they have a very big, supportive campaign behind them, great things can happen. Look at our past petitions that we ran. The first petition was for Telltale games to bring their titles to Wii. There was a petition as well as a phone campaign…and look at what happened. We also ran a petition for Bionic Commando on Wii. While we still have no word on that project actually happening, we saw Capcom comment about the petition numerous times. They applauded the community outcry, said that they heard our pleas, and took our actions into consideration. We had our voices heard, and while Capcom may/may not bring BC to the Wii, you can definitely see that they are supporting the core gamers on our side. Finally, there was a huge campaign/various petitions for The Conduit. I think the Wii-owning core crowd definitely stood up and fought for that game, and it paid off bigtime. Please, take all of 20 seconds to click over and sign this petition. Seriously, even if you don’t think it will do a damn thing…what could it hurt? You’ll be helping someone out there that believes in what this petition could do. Now, I open the virtual floor to you guys. What do you think we can do in order to make Winter on Wii a reality? What are your suggestions to get our voices heard? Who do you think we should go after? I know that many of you have pointed to SEGA as the third party that would be most willing to approach this game. I too think that’s a fantastic choice. I don’t think we should approach them yet, simply because we don’t know what publishers n-Space contacted. Once we find out that information, I will pass it onto you. So…besides specific publishers, what do you think we should do to make this happen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retro_Link Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 Good rant! They get it right when they say... Even if Winter isn’t your cup of tea, we still want your support. While the main goal of this mission is to get Winter a publisher, there’s also another very important message that goes along with this fight. Publishers and developers need to hear from the core Wii owner. If they don’t hear your voice, they aren’t going to support you. Please, take all of 20 seconds to click over and sign this petition. Seriously, even if you don’t think it will do a damn thing…what could it hurt? You’ll be helping someone out there that believes in what this petition could do. Just sign it! I don't use Facebook, but would a Winter facebook page be any good? that people could link to from their own pages. And couldn't we start some sort of poster campaign, with a poster like... And are they really right about Boom Blox, but more specifically De Blob! approaching 1 million sales?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shino Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 And are they really right about Boom Blox, but more specifically De Blob! approaching 1 million sales?! They are. Quite honestly I always believed that the reason GameCube was always seen as the underdog was due to its install base, I always thought that was THE justification we had relied on Nintendo and its in house games. But since the Wii's success I'm starting to doubt, there must be some superior reason for the market leader not being supported as it should, maybe the industry really is just money hats. Why would you choose to spend huge amounts on money on consoles that at start don't even have the same sales potential? Why do they keep pumping shitty shovelware despite having been proved that most don't actually sell that well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D_prOdigy Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 That petition's kissing 7,500 signatures now. It's also in the Top 10 most active petitions on the site's main page. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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