Gentleben Posted September 5, 2008 Posted September 5, 2008 Just a heads up; You can register your interest for Wario Land on the NoE website and get 50 extra stars now. 50 Stars shall be mine. I'm really excited for this game. I hope it has an extra hard mode like Warioland 4 did.
dazzybee Posted September 8, 2008 Posted September 8, 2008 Preordered today Can't wait. Got so many games to play through but I don't care, this looks too much fun
LegoMan1031 Posted September 10, 2008 Posted September 10, 2008 I may actually get this! lol. Been so long since i bought a wii game but this does look interesting. I'm not expecting anything amazing but should be good.
RedShell Posted September 10, 2008 Posted September 10, 2008 I hope it has an extra hard mode like Warioland 4 did.Yeah and mini-games, I absolutely loved the ones in WL4 especially The Wario Hop. So, only a couple of weeks left to wait now for this game, be nice to get back to playing on Wii a bit more again. Apart from the odd game of Mario Kart, recently it's been all about the DS for me.
flameboy Posted September 11, 2008 Posted September 11, 2008 I just cancelled my star wars force unleashed preorder as after playing the demo just not hyped anough about it, this is out pretty soon and loved the last one on GBA, so perhaps its time to get back in bed with Wario...whens it out?
ThePigMarcher Posted September 11, 2008 Posted September 11, 2008 I really need to read up on this. The first I had heard of it was when reading ONM's review , don't know how this slipped under my radar (shocking on my part , I know). Sounds quite intriguing , and it seems a worthy purchase. Sept 26th isn't it ?
Hero-of-Time Posted September 20, 2008 Author Posted September 20, 2008 IGN review is up. http://uk.wii.ign.com/articles/911/911870p1.html
Hellfire Posted September 20, 2008 Posted September 20, 2008 Just skimmed through it, but seemed about right. Don't want to sound like I'm always bashing IGN, this isn't even directed just at them, but it reminded me of this "issue": "An orchestral soundtrack would've been nice.". Seriously, what the hell. This "everything should be orchestrated/orchestral" crap is annoying. The game is mostly Jazzy tunes or electronic, sometimes a little rock and it's pretty good quality, why exactly should it be orchestrated? Orchestrated isn't synonym with quality and not every game needs it. Anyway, buy the damn game :P
Grazza Posted September 20, 2008 Posted September 20, 2008 Seriously, what the hell. This "everything should be orchestrated/orchestral" crap is annoying. Yeah, why do they always say that? It's my understanding that orchestral music can't change "on the fly" like MIDI can. I'd rather have dynamic music than something that has to load all the time.
Hellfire Posted September 20, 2008 Posted September 20, 2008 Yeah, why do they always say that? It's my understanding that orchestral music can't change "on the fly" like MIDI can. I'd rather have dynamic music than something that has to load all the time. Indeed, MIDI is very, very useful and allows for things that recorded tracks can't provide. Even Galaxy has a lot of redbook audio. This of course not to mention the costs of recording and the fact that it takes disc space and has to load, instead of using the sound chip. But those are developer's problems :P
Hero-of-Time Posted September 21, 2008 Author Posted September 21, 2008 Heres an interview with the developers of the game. Part 1 Nintendo Online Magazine: The first thing I thought when I started playing was, ‘This isn’t cartoon rendering?’ (using computer-generated 3D models to look like traditional cel animation) Wario’s comical movement was so smooth, but no matter how closely I looked, it didn’t appear to be using 3D models... So more than anything, I wanted to know how the characters were animated. Staff from Good-Feel Co., Ltd. answered my questions and shared behind-the-scenes stories from development of the game. They also talked about the time they pulled an all-nighter. Read on to learn more! NOM: What led to the creation of Wario Land: The Shake Dimension? Takahiro Harada, producer: I had participated in the development of a wide variety of games, but I especially liked platform games and had always wanted to make a Wario Land sequel someday. One day I was playing a platform game for the DS released by a major game developer, and it was so much fun, I thought I would like to work on a Wario Land sequel there. I did some research, and learned that Ebisu-san had been involved in its development. Etsunobu Ebisu, producer: At that time, I had just quit working for that company and had founded Good-Feel. I had told Nintendo about the new company and was asking if we could work together on something. Harada: It was perfect timing, so we met face-to-face and I asked if he would like to make a Wario Land action game. NOM: What incredible timing! It’s almost like you were destined to make this game. Harada: Yes, it was amazing, like fate brought us together. Ebisu: When I first heard he was interested in making a Wario game, I was envisioning a shooting game. (laughs) A real western-style shoot-em-up! For some reason, my colleagues and I were playing lots of shooting games in those days. When I suggested that to Harada-san, though, he said, ‘Why not a platform game?’ (laughs) Harada: They knew a lot about how to make good platform games, so we weren’t thinking about any other genre. Ebisu: Most of the guys at our company had already made a lot of platform games, so I guess I wanted to suggest something different. After hearing Harada-san’s reaction, we advanced plans for a platform game. NOM: What kind of an image did you have of Wario? Ebisu: I thought of him as reckless. But for some reason he doesn’t die. (laughs) He’s completely different than Mario. Harada: Wario uses strength to overpower opposition. Part of the fun of Wario platform games derives from that dynamic. We had everyone at Good-Feel play the previous games in the Wario Land series and asked them to make an extension in that style. NOM: Why were you interested in shaking as an element of the game? Madoka Yamauchi, director: I got the idea once when Harada-san said that when he sees something placed high up, he wants to knock it down. Then we began developing plans for tilting the Wii Remote and shaking it up and down or side to side. Harada: The concept was to hold the Wii Remote sideways to play a platform game like for the NES or Super NES. Then we added the very Wii-like element of shaking the Wii Remote, and it all came together well. NOM: What was the first obstacle you ran into? Yamauchi: The first obstacle was...not enough development staff. (laughs) Ebisu: Another obstacle was that during the planning stage, we’d been thinking about shaking the remote horizontally as well as vertically, but when you actually played the game, there wasn’t much difference between the two. Yamauchi: We were thinking about having different effects for shaking the remote sideways and up and down, but since it wasn’t working, we cut it. How to hold the remote presented another challenge. When you hold the Wii Remote sideways, you can only use the D-pad and 1 and 2 buttons. You don’t have the L and R buttons, or X and Y either. We worked hard to allow Wario to perform as wide a variety of actions as possible. Several times I tried using the A and B buttons, but it interfered with game operability. In the end we decided on tilting the Wii Remote and building a variety of devices into the stages. Since only a few buttons are used, game operation will be easy even for people playing a platform game for the first time. Part 2 Nintendo Online Magazine: The way Wario moves is rather distinctive. Etsunobu Ebisu, producer: In addition to designing a platform game with simple operability, we thought about what direction to take regarding visual elements such as backgrounds. (Producer Takahiro Harada) and I exchanged ideas for a while, and eventually settled on the current style. Takahiro Harada, producer: One of our goals this time was to create the ultimate 2D game. Tadanori Tsukawaki, design director: When (director Madoka) Yamauchi proposed using entirely hand-drawn animation for visuals, I was hesitant. With hand-drawn animation, making changes is hard. Harada: With a 3D Wario made from polygons, it’s easy, for example, to change the shape of his beard a little. With traditional animation, there would be hundreds of frames showing Wario, and you’d have to change them all. For backgrounds, to change the position of an object even a little, you can’t just replace one part—you have to change the whole thing. Tsukawaki: In the beginning, I was worried, but as we progressed, I thought, ‘This has impact!’ First the animators provided us with line drawings. We used those to run the game, and even with just the line drawings the movement looked good. It had a warmth you don’t always get with polygons. NOM: How many frames did you use for the animation? Tsukawaki: It depends on the particular movement, but for one action, about 30. For Wario alone, there were over 2000. For the enemies, there were about 6000, including the ones we eventually cut. We had to digitalize all of those to be plugged into the software. (Program director Koichi) Yagi put a lot of effort into that. Koichi Yagi, program director: I’ve been a programmer for a long time, but it was my first time to make a game with so many patterns. Like Tsukawaki said, there were about 2000 for Wario—about 200 separate actions. Those are stored in memory, so they can be displayed at any time. It took some clever programming to achieve that. Tsukawaki: It was pretty crazy. (laughs) Yagi: The backgrounds don’t repeat, so the volume for scenery was greater than I’ve ever seen. It was so big that the scenery alone would have filled up the GameCube. It wasn’t easy to pack all that in. Ebisu: Early on we considered making the game in 3D. Based on past experience making platform games, I knew the amount of work involved in hand-drawing everything from characters to scenery would be tremendous. Way back when, it was something you dreamt about, but never actually achieved. This time, however, we decided to give it a shot. NOM: (Animation companies) Production I.G and Kusanagi were involved in design, right? Ebisu: That’s right. We thought we should request help from animation companies who would have more know-how. Production I.G helped with character animation and the opening and ending sequences, and Kusanagi helped with the backgrounds. Tsukawaki: Developing a game is something you figure out as you go. The need for alterations is going to arise, but when the animation is already moving along, a conflict arises. All the backgrounds were hand-drawn, too, so even a small change meant everything had to be changed. Whenever (Kentaro) Sei, who was in charge of stage construction, said, ‘Let’s put a secret passage here,’ we knew we were in for some hard labour. (everyone laughs) Tsukawaki We’d say, ‘What?! What’s the big idea?!’ and he’d say, ‘It’ll be easier for the player if we do it this way, won’t it?’ and then we’d say, ‘OK, OK, if we do it that way, then...’ In the end we always came around. Kentaro Sei, planning: Yeah, we were at each other’s throats every day. (laughs) NOM: Since this game is an extension of the Wario Land series, how did you make it feel like Wario Land? Madoka Yamauchi, director: Primarily, the intense action. We took great care to include showy and rambunctious elements in the game. That’s the reason we decided to have shaking the remote actually shake the screen. Harada: Wario just tries to take what he wants. He isn’t trying to do anything wrong. The results of his actions can be either bad or good. He sure can stir up trouble, though. Tsukawaki: After I’d played a bunch of the games in the series, I thought Wario was pretty manly. He’s so uncool that he ends up being extremely cool. Depending on the game, he can be coarse—farting and doing stuff like that, but I didn’t want to show that side of him. As much as possible, I wanted to show a macho Wario, one who is masculine and tough. I asked the animators to emphasize strongly his manly characteristics. We built up this image step-by-step during the animation process. NOM: So...Wario is macho? Tsukawaki: He is. He’s the kind of guy you could enjoy tossing back a few drinks with.... But I guess making conversation might be hard. (laughs) Some of the ladies in the office were complaining at first about how his nose is pink, but in the end they started using pictures of him for their desktop wallpaper. Now they say he’s cool. (laughs) NOM: How did Syrup, who leads Wario on, come to enter into the game? Harada: It started with Wario Land: Super Mario Land 3 for the Game Boy. The character controlling the final boss was Captain Syrup, but ever since then she’s mostly been overlooked. We thought it was about time she made another appearance. She’s pretty and charming, and a little devious. NOM: Did you design the music to reflect the character of Wario Land? Tomoya Tomita, music and sound effects: I played the Game Boy Advance version and listened to the music for the other games as well. It was completely different from the music in Nintendo’s other platform games. Some stages feature cute, girly music, even though the enemies are relentless! (laughs) NOM: It’s sort of surreal. Tomita: That’s right. So we wanted to use music that was slightly unusual. There’s some normal platform game music, too, but for the most part, it isn’t what you might expect. Harada: Many people on the debugging team liked the music, too, although there was quite a variety among the songs each person said was their favourite. Sei: Each stage has its own specific missions. At first we had put in an element of being rewarded for extra effort whereby completing all the missions would unlock the soundtrack for that stage in the Audio Room. Tomita overturned that idea, though, because then we wouldn’t be able to put out the sound track. (laughs) NOM: Do you have a favourite song from the background music? Tomita: I like the song for Mt. Lava Lava. At first we created it with Wario in mind. He can be a little fierce and hot-headed, and that led us to use it for the volcano stage.
darksnowman Posted September 21, 2008 Posted September 21, 2008 Thanks for the interview, H-o-T. I hadn't came across it on any other sites yet so it was a good read. I like how they say they focused on the masculine, macho side of Wario and the game in general sounds like a labour of love.
ghost_zero Posted September 21, 2008 Posted September 21, 2008 Is there already known how long it approximately takes to beat this game?
steggy Posted September 22, 2008 Posted September 22, 2008 Is there already known how long it approximately takes to beat this game? This excerpt taken from the IGN review Shake It! is refreshingly straightforward platformer whose difficulty lays not in the journey from the first stage to the final boss -- a process that can be blasted through in little more than five hours if you're really rushing -- but in truly completing the experience, which is going to take at least twice as long, maybe more. Lasting Appeal: 7.5The core game can be finished in about five hours, but a bevy of secondary challenges (per level) will separate the men from the boys. Kind of like going for 60 or 120 stars in a Mario title. From my experience from Wario Land 4, there was multiple chests to find before you could really complete it. And in hard mode these chests were in completely different places. Not sure exactly the mechanic with this version, but I think there's a sort of achievement system type thing with it.
Hellfire Posted September 22, 2008 Posted September 22, 2008 Well, I have 11 hours and didn't beat the final boss, but I have already tried to complete some levels 100%, I didn't just to from start to finish.
darksnowman Posted September 22, 2008 Posted September 22, 2008 I haven't read up alot on The Shake Dimension cos I know I'll get it and don't want it totally spoiled. However I'm sure I did read (and I would guess this to be the case anyway, judging by previous WL's) that there is a decent enough lifespan to it as there are multiple routes and stuff through levels. Hellfire says there about going back and doing stuff 100% so that must be the case.
Gentleben Posted September 22, 2008 Posted September 22, 2008 I haven't read up alot on The Shake Dimension cos I know I'll get it and don't want it totally spoiled. However I'm sure I did read (and I would guess this to be the case anyway, judging by previous WL's) that there is a decent enough lifespan to it as there are multiple routes and stuff through levels. Hellfire says there about going back and doing stuff 100% so that must be the case. All the previous Warioland titles had some excellent replay value. Trying to find all the treasure hidden in the Warioland 3 was pretty tricky since the passengeways to other levels/section of the map were well hidden. Warioland 4 had the Super HARD mode which totally rearranged some level maps and moved chests to new/harder to find locations. However I believe the "Shake Dimension" offers replay in the form of achivements/goals rather than treasures: For example-you might have a level that has 5 clear goals/Achivements 1) Clear the level 2) Clear the level with x Amount of money 3) Clear the level with no damage 4) etc Which still sounds like a lot of replay value.
Grazza Posted September 22, 2008 Posted September 22, 2008 Yes, thanks Hero-of-Time. Yagi: The backgrounds don’t repeat, so the volume for scenery was greater than I’ve ever seen. It was so big that the scenery alone would have filled up the GameCube. It wasn’t easy to pack all that in. That's what I like to hear! I must admit, I have been paying this game more attention recently, upgrading it from "quite a laugh" to "looks very good"! I'm very impressed with the artistry - it's looks gorgeous! It clearly was a labour of love. The graphics are so good I'd like to see Metroid, Donkey Kong and even Mario done in this style.
Gentleben Posted September 22, 2008 Posted September 22, 2008 Part 3 of Nintendo from Nintendo of Europe site. NOM: Someone mentioned rewards for extra effort. Can you give us some examples? Kentaro Sei, planning: As mentioned earlier, each stage has objectives called missions. One unique aspect of this game is that there’s only one goal, but including the missions, there are multiple objectives. That means you can enjoy playing the same stage over and over again. You can reach the goal just playing the usual way, but the game presents a greater challenge once you try to complete the missions as well. The stages have been constructed so that everyone from novices to experienced gamers can enjoy them. Nobuo Matsumiya, assistant director: We put a lot of thought into construction of the stages. Partway through development, parts of the game were quite difficult even in the opening stages. In order to make the game enjoyable to players new to platform games, in the end we decreased the difficulty of the opening stages. Sei: Another rewarding challenge is time attacks. In the latter half of the stages, after you rescue a character named Merelda, a countdown begins. Then it’s like a race game, requiring split-second reflexes. There’s one hidden stage called Lowdown Depths where the time attack is pretty intense. Tadanori Tsukawaki, design director: We played that a lot during development. (laughs) Matsumiya-san was knocking out the most incredible times. We were all like, “That’s impossible! How did you do that?” Matsumiya: He’s too kind... (laughs) Sei: One characteristic of the game is rescuing Merelda and then returning with her. That is perhaps the most challenging, yet rewarding, aspect of the game. NOM: There are a lot of roads in unexpected places. Did you try to put them in places the players wouldn’t notice? Sei: Yes. We outdid ourselves and later had to make them easier to find because the most important thing is giving players an enjoyable game. Takahiro Harada, producer: When you think, “Maybe I should go that way,” and then it works out the way you thought, it feels really good. We had that in mind when designing the stages. Sei: Also, there’s the element of collecting treasure. We came up with that one night when we camped out at Tsukawaki’s house. Including dead-end ideas, we came up with about 100 ideas that night gathered around the hot pot. Tsukawaki: We were talking, and eating, and drinking—and drawing—until morning. (laughs) Sei: Tsukawaki draws really fast. Almost faster than we could come up with ideas. We kept going until about five or six in the morning, with guys passing out along the way. (laughs) Tsukawaki: The company had moved that day. (Note: While Wario Land was under development, Good-Feel changed locations for the second time.) The day’s momentum swept everyone over to my house for an all-night brainstorming session. We were already exhausted, so we figured why not just keep going? (laughs) NOM: Wow. Exhausted but ploughing ahead! Tsukawaki: Sei had been taking random notes on his cell phone. He read them out as we got started, which allowed everyone to get an idea of what direction to take. Then we all started throwing out ideas. Sei: I saw a new side of my colleagues. Even the more serious among us were saying some pretty unexpected stuff. Each stage has three hidden treasures. I hope players can find them! NOM: Is there anything you would like to say to NOM’s readers? Tomoya Tomita, music and sound effects: I hope everyone will complete the missions and listen to all the background music. Koichi Yagi, program director: There aren’t many games like this for video game consoles anymore, but it contains all the know-how we’ve built up over the years. It would be great if people who used to play these kinds of games would try this one and relive the fun of those older ones. And, of course, I hope newcomers will experience playing a platform game for the first time and enjoy the balance between its easier and more challenging aspects. Tsukawaki: This is the age of 3D models. Wario Land: The Shake Dimension’s visuals may feel like they’re going against the tide, but you can really see the warmth and hand-drawn character of the images on the screen. I hope everyone will enjoy playing in the world of Wario as rendered through classical animation. Sei: I want everyone to see how cool Wario is. His behaviour isn’t that crude this time, so I hope even girls will think he’s cool. Matsumiya: Completing the missions will be difficult at first, so I suggest taking them one at a time. As you get used to the game, though, you’ll get more efficient and enjoy completing more than one mission simultaneously. I think everyone will have fun trying to complete as many missions as possible at once. Madoka Yamauchi, director: In my past experience making games, most of the time I was under time constraints and never felt as if I’d accomplished all I wanted to. We had plenty of time to develop this game, however, and put in some late nights, so it was a fully satisfying process. I hope everyone will enjoy playing the game, and see the degree to which we perfected it. Etsunobu Ebisu, producer: Among all the platform games I’ve worked on, Wario Land: The Shake Dimension is the best suited for enjoyment by people who have never played platform games before or aren’t very good at them. I hope everyone will give it a try and experience the fun of platform games. And of course gamers who are good at platform games and like playing them will also find plenty to sink their teeth into! Harada: Simply clearing the stages isn’t that difficult, so I think beginners can sit back and enjoy playing. Skilled players of platform games will also fully enjoy it because of the treasures, missions and other elements. And, as Sei-san mentioned, we cut out Wario’s coarse antics this time, so we can even recommend this game to your mothers! I hope you’ll check it out
Hellfire Posted September 22, 2008 Posted September 22, 2008 However I believe the "Shake Dimension" offers replay in the form of achivements/goals rather than treasures: For example-you might have a level that has 5 clear goals/Achivements 1) Clear the level 2) Clear the level with x Amount of money 3) Clear the level with no damage 4) etc Which still sounds like a lot of replay value. It's both, each level has three treasures, money AND the achievements. Expect the full review soon anyway :P
Deathborn Posted September 23, 2008 Posted September 23, 2008 A simply amazing promo video for the game: http://fr.youtube.com/experiencewii :bowdown:
RedShell Posted September 23, 2008 Posted September 23, 2008 A simply amazing promo video for the game:http://fr.youtube.com/experiencewii :bowdown: Hehehe, that's so cool.
Jonnas Posted September 23, 2008 Posted September 23, 2008 A simply amazing promo video for the game:http://fr.youtube.com/experiencewii :bowdown: Freakin' epic
Fuzpoy Posted September 23, 2008 Posted September 23, 2008 A simply amazing promo video for the game:http://fr.youtube.com/experiencewii :bowdown: I had to watch it twice as the first time i didn't notice the rest of the page till the video box fell.
Serebii Posted September 23, 2008 Posted September 23, 2008 Am oddly looking forward to this. Hopefully Gameplay will send it tomorrow and I'll get it thursday
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