killthenet Posted May 8, 2007 Posted May 8, 2007 I just didn't like that Miyamoto said "Flags Of Our Fathers" was a great film. Also he seemed a little arrogant in this interview.
That Guy Posted May 8, 2007 Posted May 8, 2007 Zelda would've sold better if it was an epic, next generation game, a little harder, a little prettier, a little more original, a little larger (I wanted to feel immersed in a world, but the only place that felt like a real existence was hyrule market, the fields, other villages, everything should've been more populated). I'm not denying that it was a brilliant game, but it should've taken a bigger leap. Miyamoto would never admit that TP didn't live up to gamers' expectations, he'd rather say the market is changing. My favourite kinds of games will always be the huge ones, that have so much to do and take so much time to do it. The quick-fire fun games like Wii Sports are good too, but not epic. I actually think this is quite a good thread, some good debates. Personally, as much as I'm loving Zelda right now 25-30 hours in, some of what you said would have made it a better game. I think some of the things in Gamespots infamous 8.8 review are right, some outdated presentation (I don't mean graphically, I think the game looks amazing at times, and I own a 360 with a hdtv), but with the sound (lack of voices, not Link but all the other characters, the lack of orchestral music) let it down slightly. I also totally agree with what you said about it not feeling like a 'world'. It feels a bit like a bunch of random locations, where there's about 3 people in each. Really looking forward to seeing what happens with the next Zelda title.
Hellfire Posted May 8, 2007 Posted May 8, 2007 Zelda would've sold better if it was an epic, next generation game, a little harder, a little prettier, a little more original, a little larger (I wanted to feel immersed in a world, but the only place that felt like a real existence was hyrule market, the fields, other villages, everything should've been more populated). I'm not denying that it was a brilliant game, but it should've taken a bigger leap. I'm sorry but this post is ... arg! I mean, every game can always use more and be more. Next Gen game? It was GC game to begin with, it does have next gen controlling though. A little harder? I'd like that. Would it sell more? Definetly not. Prettier? Covered in the next gen part, also I think it's one of the prettiest games ever. More original? Lots of original items, new controls, transforming into a wolf, using senses, not repeating everything the other Zeldas did... Larger? The game is freaking huge. Of course that you can compare it to an RPG like Oblivion, but Zelda always was like this and it always be, I don't them to turn into an other game. OF course, I'm the portuguese mafia Don, I have no opinion, I'm just a blind fanboy bla bla bla.
ShadowV7 Posted May 12, 2007 Posted May 12, 2007 Bungie respond to wait Miyamoto saying about how he could of done Halo if he wanted. This is that they had to say: "Yeah, well. I just want to go on the record and say that Bungie is hard at work on a side-scrolling platform game featuring some plumbers -- I'm not going to say what their ethnicity is, it's none of anyone's business -- but we took that as a gauntlet, a sort of glove slap, and we're going to respond in 2D scrolling style. That's all I'm saying." I dunno whether to take this seriously or not since I don't really know what Bungie think.Be interesting if what they said is true though. I couldn't imagine them being 'hard at work' if they just started making it only some days ago.Be interesting for updates.
Mr. Bananagrabber Posted May 12, 2007 Posted May 12, 2007 Of coruse it's not serious, do you honestly believe Bungie (or indeed ANYONE) would say that in a non tongue-in-cheek manner? I applaud them for responding in such a lighthearted way.
Daroh Posted May 12, 2007 Posted May 12, 2007 Why are people blowing this completely out of proportion? He obviously never literally meant "I could have made Halo" only that he could have made a game of a similar concept however chose not to, Bungie seem a little foolish for making that statement.
ShadowV7 Posted May 12, 2007 Posted May 12, 2007 Of coruse it's not serious, do you honestly believe Bungie (or indeed ANYONE) would say that in a non tongue-in-cheek manner? I applaud them for responding in such a lighthearted way. I have no experience with Bungie.I'd assume that it was tongue-in-cheek and kinda taking it a step further,but I wasn't sure. Also I don't know if you seen it but a while ago there was a blatent rip off from Mario and Luigi that Sony was doing.
pedrocasilva Posted May 12, 2007 Posted May 12, 2007 Also I don't know if you seen it but a while ago there was a blatent rip off from Mario and Luigi that Sony was doing.baito hell 2000: I find Bungie comments to be ridiculous, they're sort of acting like offended virgins.
ShadowV7 Posted May 12, 2007 Posted May 12, 2007 baito hell 2000: That was the one.Is there anything you can't do?
Hellfire Posted May 12, 2007 Posted May 12, 2007 I find Bungie comments to be ridiculous, they're sort of acting like offended virgins. They are. They think they're the rulers of the world and that no one can outdo them.
Mr. Bananagrabber Posted May 12, 2007 Posted May 12, 2007 Also I don't know if you seen it but a while ago there was a blatent rip off from Mario and Luigi that Sony was doing. Yes I do know, and just like Bungie's comments, it was entirely tongue-in-cheek. The two similar looking characters were in it for a single mini game. They weren't on the front cover or in the advertising campaign, they were in it for a single wood chopping game, for about ten seconds at most. It was a little joke/easter egg designed to make people smile, it's not sinister
pedrocasilva Posted May 12, 2007 Posted May 12, 2007 Yes I do know, and just like Bungie's comments, it was entirely tongue-in-cheek. The two similar looking characters were in it for a single mini game. They weren't on the front cover or in the advertising campaign, they were in it for a single wood chopping game, for about ten seconds at most.It was a little joke/easter egg designed to make people smile, it's not sinister That wasn't the only refference in there. Anyway, those were all taken off before the game launched, probably fearing a lawsuit or something.
mcj metroid Posted May 12, 2007 Posted May 12, 2007 Not a chance in hell, I'm afraid; and they have no reason to do so. It's also obvious Miyamoto loves Zelda as he loves other creations of his. If Zelda flopped worldwide Nintendo would have to take a look at it, sure, but they'd surely develop the next one. But it didn't flop.Erm? Xbox was pretty much as successful as Gamecube, when it came to market share. It didn't prove anything. Besides in that "draw" Nintendo made money, while Microsoft lost 6 bilion US Dolars, plus funding for 3rd party's for making Xbox 1 games better graphically. I wouldn't call it a success unless the mission was burning money. But Xbox homeland market is not Japan, sure. but exactly. You said yourself the xbox was as successful(sales wise) as the gamecube and that was without the help of Japan. I'm just trying to prove that japan are not the influence of gaming they once were. but yes in terms of making money nintendo won the battle between them. It really makes you thinnk about the future of the ps3 though if sales don't increase. They are. They think they're the rulers of the world and that no one can outdo them. yes i get that impression too but the fact is that there are fps games that are far better than halo. but no platformers better than mario
Gaijin von Snikbah Posted May 12, 2007 Posted May 12, 2007 Ill say it again. The time factor between highlights is too high in TP. People want easy and fast access to their fun. I think thats very possible in a long RPG.
pedrocasilva Posted May 12, 2007 Posted May 12, 2007 but exactly. You said yourself the xbox was as successful(sales wise) as the gamecube and that was without the help of Japan. I'm just trying to prove that japan are not the influence of gaming they once were. but yes in terms of making money nintendo won the battle between them. It really makes you thinnk about the future of the ps3 though if sales don't increase. I disagree in saying Xbox proved anything on that front, they didn't lead the market, and GC was not sucessful in Japan either... While, sure... it sold more than Xbox, but there's more GC's sold in US than in Japan for example. (if you compare a equal number of the population) Xbox sold a "little" worse there sure, and sold a little better elsewhere, but still they were competing for 2nd place whereas Sony was on top, selling more across all continents. They've also bought a lot of support so that isn't feasible to any other US company, they're almost fighting the market and still not getting the results they really want. Proof japan is important as always is now that Sony is flickering, Nintendo is enjoying sucess worldwide with the most japanese console in a while, Wii. Not Microsoft. That's not only because it's japanese, but because of what kind of experience they're offering. (and of course, hype they're getting) PS3 is selling poorly, but they're still selling more than Xbox 360 sold a year ago these months and they still have PS2 selling in US like hotcakes (more than Microsoft's X360), ao they still have some advantage there too.
Darkspine S Posted May 14, 2007 Posted May 14, 2007 Cocky git Miyamoto. Gamers want less lengthy RPGs?! If I didn't respect his talent I'd swear at him.
DCK Posted May 14, 2007 Posted May 14, 2007 You know, when talking about Japan he might actually have a point... Japanese gaming has changed more than our gaming.
Mr. Bananagrabber Posted May 14, 2007 Posted May 14, 2007 You know, when talking about Japan he might actually have a point... Japanese gaming has changed more than our gaming. Yep. Almost every opinion expressed on this forum (or indeed any forum) is going to be in the minority in the grand scheme of things. Personally, I love epic RPG's and I don't like this whole new direction for Nintendo, but the fact that I express my opinions on an online message board proves that i'm always going to be in the minority. Since the PS1, Nintendo machines haven't really been the place to be for huge RPG's anyway, there's always other machines.
Zechs Merquise Posted May 14, 2007 Posted May 14, 2007 but exactly. You said yourself the xbox was as successful(sales wise) as the gamecube and that was without the help of Japan. I'm just trying to prove that japan are not the influence of gaming they once were. but yes in terms of making money nintendo won the battle between them. It really makes you thinnk about the future of the ps3 though if sales don't increase. yes i get that impression too but the fact is that there are fps games that are far better than halo. but no platformers better than mario Too ture, Halo has been bested, but I don't think Mario will ever be beaten. ario 64 is still the best 3D platformer out there.
darksnowman Posted May 14, 2007 Posted May 14, 2007 Im not saying I'm endorsing making games shorter but the man has a point - not everyone can sit and play games for hours on end every other day. What some people want from a game is to feel a sense of achievement similar to whats possible by playing an RPG or something all day, and get as much fun from it as well. Whats wrong with catering to this bunch as well? Plus, does it really mean that Nintendo are gonna turn away from making lengthy games too? Sure Super Mario, Metroid and Smash Bros are coming, three of the Nintendo staple that provide hours of playtime. Oh and one more thing, with the same resources as Miyamoto-san, I too could have made Halo if I wanted. And yes, it would have been better than Bungie's efforts too. :shock:
DCK Posted May 14, 2007 Posted May 14, 2007 He never mentioned anywhere this is going to affect the Zelda games at all. It seems to me that "people want less long RPG games" is something that can't be helped, because it's intrinsic to the Zelda series; not making it lenghty RPG-like would stop it being a Zelda and Miyamoto should be the first person to acknowledge that.
Blue_Ninja0 Posted May 15, 2007 Posted May 15, 2007 Oh and one more thing, with the same resources as Miyamoto-san, I too could have made Halo if I wanted. And yes, it would have been better than Bungie's efforts too. :shock: I don't know how much influence Miyamoto has in Nintendo nowadays, but if he could put the whole enterprise (specially EAD) making a Halo we would probably face a gaming revolution. (after that nintendo would backrupt because of the lack of income for developing only 1 game)
Teppo Holmqvist Posted May 15, 2007 Posted May 15, 2007 (after that nintendo would backrupt because of the lack of income for developing only 1 game) Heh, Nintendo can pay salaries to all its employees for next 40 years with its current cash reservies.
Cube Posted May 15, 2007 Posted May 15, 2007 Too ture, Halo has been bested, but I don't think Mario will ever be beaten. ario 64 is still the best 3D platformer out there. Banjo-Kazozie. (imo)
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